{"conversationCode":"895-013","tapeNumber":895,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-895-013","startDateTime":"1973-04-13T16:08:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-13T16:18:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Apr-1973","startTime":"11:08 AM","endDate":"13-Apr-1973","endTime":"11:18 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kimura, Morie; Kaneko, Masanou; Tomono, Taketo; Ogiyama, Yoshio; Kakehashi, Kumashi; Kodama, Masao; Ogowa, Masakichi; Schneider, Richard L.; Crihfield, Brevard; Kissinger, Henry A.; Nichimura, Ichiro; Scowcroft, Brent G. (Gen.);","description":"On April 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Morie Kimura, Masanou Kaneko, Taketo Tomono, Yoshio Ogiyama, Kumashi Kakehashi, Masao Kodama, Masakichi Ogowa, Richard L. Schneider, Brevard Crihfield, Henry A. Kissinger, Ichiro Nichimura, and Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:08 am to 11:18 am. 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Scowcroft.\n\n     Introductions and greetings\n\n     Exchange visits\n          -US Governors’ visit to Japan\n          -Value\n          -US – Japan relations\n                -Priority for all levels\n                      -President\n                      -Japan’s Prime Minister\n                      -Governor of states\n                      -Cabinet officers\n          -Governors\n                -Closeness to populace\n          -Kakuei Tanaka\n          -Gift\n          -Snow\n\n     Japan\n             -US assistance\n\f                                                   -26-\n\n                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                                 Conversation No. 895-13 (cont’d)\n\n            -Building standards [?]\n            -Farmers\n                  -Visit to Wisconsin by Japanese Governors\n                        -Amount of hectometers [?]\n                        -Compared to Japanesse farmers\n            -Current problems\n                  -Resolution\n                        -Japan’s progress\n                        -Balance of payments\n            -Current concerns\n            -Ties with US\n                  -Visits\n            -Economic competition with US\n                  -Will of Japanese people\n                  -US - Japan relations\n                        -Friendship\n\n      Photo opportunity\n           -Rose Garden\n                 -Crap apple trees\n                 -Japanese flower and garden cultivation\n\nThe President, et. al., left at 11:18 am.","filename":["895-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kimura, Morie","Kaneko, Masanou","Tomono, Taketo","Ogiyama, Yoshio","Kakehashi, Kumashi","Kodama, Masao","Ogowa, Masakichi","Schneider, Richard L.","Crihfield, Brevard","Kissinger, Henry A.","Nichimura, Ichiro","Scowcroft, Brent G. (Gen.)"],"prevCode":"895-012","nextCode":"895-014","transcript":[{"start":1.77,"end":2.51,"text":"Yes, I do."},{"start":2.55,"end":3.47,"text":"Yes, I do."},{"start":3.55,"end":5.47,"text":"Yes, I do."},{"start":32.14,"end":55.08,"text":"Well we are very happy to welcome you here and I want to express the appreciation"},{"start":55.98,"end":68.38,"text":"for the warm milk that you gave our gunners when they came to Japan."},{"start":69.46,"end":84.03,"text":"And we all hope that we can reciprocate and make their visit here to Water Country as very pleasant as they said their visit to Japan was."},{"start":90.99,"end":112.74,"text":"We consider good relations with Japan as the highest priority, not only at this level of the White House prime minister, but at the level of the state governments, and consequently"},{"start":119.69,"end":128.64,"text":"I would like to say that our relationship with Japan is very important."},{"start":128.66,"end":130.82,"text":"This is the White House."},{"start":130.84,"end":136.46,"text":"It is not just the relationship between the government and the government."},{"start":136.58,"end":142.55,"text":"It is also the relationship between the government and the government."},{"start":142.57,"end":147.27,"text":"It is also the relationship between the government and the government."},{"start":147.29,"end":147.83,"text":"It is very important."},{"start":153.3,"end":163.97,"text":"in our country, the Democrats in Japan, are closer to the people than the prime minister or president."},{"start":163.99,"end":165.71,"text":"Mr. President, you are right."},{"start":165.73,"end":172.11,"text":"The Japanese president is closer to the general public than the general public."},{"start":172.77,"end":174.79,"text":"Mr. President, you are right."},{"start":174.81,"end":176.35,"text":"Mr. President, you are right."},{"start":176.41,"end":178.87,"text":"Mr. President, you are right."},{"start":178.89,"end":180.91,"text":"Mr. President, you are right."},{"start":181.85,"end":193.32,"text":"However, one thing that might appear to some of us here, is that we might have both snowed."},{"start":210.37,"end":213.03,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":240.42,"end":253.54,"text":"So we've invited some of the other support groups, and we've pulled out every sacrifice of all people."},{"start":265.85,"end":289.09,"text":"However, thanks to the U.S. assistance, we have made such a change so that we can now advance again."},{"start":295.71,"end":306.12,"text":"However, the ages of the economy here, they'll be fine, so they'll be spending more on sand. ."},{"start":323.49,"end":346.2,"text":"We found out in Wisconsin that the average farmer that we found is about 70 hectares, versus a Japanese farmer of 1.3 hectares."},{"start":349.42,"end":356.82,"text":"So we have to be promised to end this agreement."},{"start":357.88,"end":366.35,"text":"They just want us to deal with abortion problems."},{"start":366.41,"end":374.25,"text":"The second problem is the first problem of our country."},{"start":374.31,"end":377.91,"text":"So we have to be promised to end this agreement."},{"start":378.93,"end":382.8,"text":"It's been a long time since I've been in Japan."},{"start":382.95,"end":386.62,"text":"I've been in Japan for a long time."},{"start":386.8,"end":390.02,"text":"I've been in Japan for a long time."},{"start":390.22,"end":394.21,"text":"I've been in Japan for a long time."},{"start":396.46,"end":422.97,"text":"I have made such a great progress that we have made an effort over a long period of time and we have announced in red recently that we have overcome this problem and then we still"},{"start":426.3,"end":431.9,"text":"And that shows our concern"},{"start":453.63,"end":477.43,"text":"Despite that, we know we owe you so much, we owe the students so much, but the recent development led to some concern in Japan as to simply due to this such a rapid development in recent years that the United States might institute some countermeasures to this concern."},{"start":480.48,"end":485.07,"text":"I think that this is an effort to develop the hearts of the people of Japan."},{"start":485.17,"end":490.49,"text":"This is not only for the government, but also for the people of Japan."},{"start":490.53,"end":496.17,"text":"This is an effort to connect the feelings of the people of Japan with Japan."},{"start":496.23,"end":503.16,"text":"This is an effort to connect the feelings of the people of Japan with Japan."},{"start":503.54,"end":508.9,"text":"This is an effort to connect the feelings of the people of Japan."},{"start":510.15,"end":518.1,"text":"I don't understand the people's basis that we adhere to promote a stronger tie between two nations."},{"start":520.54,"end":525.8,"text":"We have realized that Japan is now our strongest competitor economically in the world."},{"start":526,"end":528.36,"text":"But I said, let's go out and you don't understand."},{"start":528.38,"end":531.52,"text":"I said, okay, then give me this name."},{"start":531.58,"end":533.88,"text":"But I said, no, I'm not listening."},{"start":533.92,"end":535.78,"text":"I said, no, give me this name."},{"start":535.86,"end":537.58,"text":"He goes like this."},{"start":539.38,"end":566.43,"text":"And we recognize that that is not simply because of our assistance, but because of the enormous ability of the Japanese people to work hard, to create, to build."},{"start":566.81,"end":568.53,"text":"And we agreed"},{"start":569.09,"end":585.21,"text":"We're destined to be competitors, but this visit indicates, demonstrates elegantly that we will be friendly competitors."},{"start":585.51,"end":586.39,"text":"Oh, thank you."},{"start":597.87,"end":613.75,"text":"We, uh, think that your birthday picture today would be in the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh,"},{"start":640.94,"end":644.45,"text":"Uh, uh, uh..."},{"start":672.2,"end":672.39,"text":"Thank 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