{"conversationCode":"895-021","tapeNumber":895,"conversationNumber":21,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-895-021","startDateTime":"1973-04-13T17:59:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-13T17:59:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Apr-1973","startTime":"12:59 PM","endDate":"13-Apr-1973","endTime":"12:59 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); [Unknown person(s)]; Ehrlichman, John D.;","description":"On April 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, unknown person(s), and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House at 12:59 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 895-021 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 895-21\n\nDate: April 13, 1973\nTime: 12:59 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President talked with an unknown person at 12:59 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 895-21A]\n\n[Begin telephone conversation]\n\n     John D. Ehrlichman\n          -Meeting with President\n\n[End telephone conversation]\n\nThe President talked with Ehrlichman at 12:59 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 895-21B]\n\n[Begin telephone conversation]\n\n     Meeting with President\n\n     John W. Dean, III\n\n     Meeting with President\n\n     Meeting with Charles W. Colson\n          -Substance of discussion\n          -Press\n          -Pressures\n\n     Meeting with President\n\n[End telephone conversation]\n\f                                             -49-\n\n                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 895-22 (cont’d)","filename":["895-021.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","[Unknown person(s)]","Ehrlichman, John D."],"prevCode":"895-020","nextCode":"895-022","transcript":[{"start":0.4,"end":2.02,"text":"Oh, uh, is John in with you?"},{"start":2.8,"end":5.46,"text":"Oh, did he want to see me before I, uh, go over here a second?"},{"start":6.76,"end":7.02,"text":"Huh?"},{"start":8.82,"end":8.98,"text":"Maybe?"},{"start":9.02,"end":14.36,"text":"Tom's gonna drop in in a minute."},{"start":14.38,"end":14.56,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":16.61,"end":19.85,"text":"Yeah, if you want me to drop in in a minute."},{"start":26.87,"end":29.01,"text":"Okay, fine, fine."},{"start":29.13,"end":35.03,"text":"Then I have a, yeah, why don't you say, how about 2.30, how's that?"},{"start":35.05,"end":35.79,"text":"All right, fine, fine."},{"start":37.35,"end":39.35,"text":"Did you get, what was the, did you get the Colson?"},{"start":39.38,"end":40.53,"text":"Right."},{"start":40.55,"end":41.42,"text":"What does that involve?"},{"start":45.36,"end":52,"text":"Well, who is he, what does he say?"},{"start":52.06,"end":53.32,"text":"Why is he doing it and how?"},{"start":64.16,"end":66.68,"text":"He knows this, huh?"},{"start":66.8,"end":68.12,"text":"What is he saying about it?"},{"start":68.19,"end":79.66,"text":"Well, I've told him all these pressures."},{"start":82.13,"end":82.63,"text":"Like what?"},{"start":83.37,"end":87.88,"text":"Why don't you come and give me just a little feel of it?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and John Ehrlichman coordinate their schedules and discuss an ongoing meeting involving Charles Colson. The participants focus on the mounting political pressures surrounding the White House and investigate the substance and motivations behind Colson’s recent actions. The conversation serves as a preparatory session for later briefings regarding these unfolding external demands.","topics":["White House internal affairs","Charles Colson","political pressure","scheduling","administration management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T23:27:39.370Z"},"topicSlugs":["white-house-internal-affairs","charles-colson","political-pressure","scheduling","administration-management"],"audioDurationSec":93,"audioFiles":[{"file":"895-021.mp3","bytes":2988032,"durationSec":93.24,"bitrate":256373,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:06.081Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:57.986Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/895-021.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/895-021","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/895/conversation-895-021","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}