{"conversationCode":"897-005","tapeNumber":897,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-897-005","startDateTime":"1973-04-16T15:40:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-16T15:50:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Apr-1973","startTime":"10:40 AM","endDate":"16-Apr-1973","endTime":"10:50 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On April 16, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:40 am and 10:50 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 897-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 897-5\n\nDate: April 16, 1973\nTime: 10:40 am - 10:50 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n        President’s schedule\n               -Address to building trades unions\n                       -Time\n                              -Delay\n                       -George P. Shultz\n                       -Departure time\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 10:50 am.\n\f                                                -6-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["897-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"897-004","nextCode":"897-006","transcript":[{"start":0.5,"end":9.51,"text":"I'm going to be about 5, about, shall we say, I'm running about 10 minutes, but I need, what time is it supposed to be?"},{"start":9.55,"end":13.15,"text":"So it was 1045, sir, but they seem to be running late, and I'm fine."},{"start":13.33,"end":20.56,"text":"We can tell them if they are running late, but just tell them that we're going to be 15 minutes."},{"start":20.58,"end":22.3,"text":"15 minutes, well, you're fine."},{"start":22.32,"end":23.46,"text":"5 minutes, what is that?"},{"start":23.48,"end":24.16,"text":"7 minutes."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met to coordinate the scheduling of an upcoming address to the building trades unions. They discussed logistical delays and decided to adjust the departure time to accommodate a shift of approximately 15 minutes. The conversation focused on ensuring the President arrived appropriately for the event in coordination with George P. Shultz.","topics":["Presidential schedule","Building trades unions","Logistics","George P. Shultz","Time management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T23:29:17.464Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-schedule","building-trades-unions","logistics","george-p-shultz","time-management"],"audioDurationSec":37,"audioFiles":[{"file":"897-005.mp3","bytes":1175552,"durationSec":36.61,"bitrate":256857,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:06.080Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:58.407Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/897-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/897-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/897/conversation-897-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}