{"conversationCode":"898-019","tapeNumber":898,"conversationNumber":19,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-898-019","startDateTime":"1973-04-17T19:39:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-17T19:40:00.000Z","startDate":"17-Apr-1973","startTime":"2:39 PM","endDate":"17-Apr-1973","endTime":"2:40 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.;","description":"On April 17, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:39 pm to 2:40 pm. 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(President)","Ehrlichman, John D."],"prevCode":"898-018","nextCode":"898-020","transcript":[{"start":7.91,"end":13.79,"text":"But I just wanted to be sure to check the points you want with Peterson at the end of five minutes."},{"start":13.81,"end":16.27,"text":"So one, no immunity."},{"start":16.43,"end":19.58,"text":"However, I would say for any top, any of the top three."},{"start":21.84,"end":25.78,"text":"In other words, so that I can, it sort of appears that if you want to give it a strong, that's okay."},{"start":25.8,"end":27.78,"text":"See, don't you think that's a good line?"},{"start":30.4,"end":30.64,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":31.66,"end":37.3,"text":"Okay, that I've done."},{"start":40.7,"end":42.3,"text":"Which is charges are indicted."},{"start":47.43,"end":51.89,"text":"Right."},{"start":51.91,"end":53.71,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":54.13,"end":61.5,"text":"And leave from the grand jury."},{"start":63.02,"end":63.3,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":66.26,"end":66.52,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":73.05,"end":73.73,"text":"Do what you want."},{"start":73.75,"end":77.13,"text":"I think I'll have that in strength as a position."},{"start":77.15,"end":89.6,"text":"Please mention these four to me on the circuit."},{"start":94.14,"end":98.34,"text":"A little quicker."},{"start":98.78,"end":99.28,"text":"Chargers."},{"start":100.38,"end":100.76,"text":"Chargers."},{"start":102.42,"end":107.4,"text":"I'm glad you're going to follow the policy of subject resolution."},{"start":107.48,"end":108.88,"text":"Is that it?"},{"start":116.45,"end":117.45,"text":"Oh, of course."},{"start":117.51,"end":118.81,"text":"That's another way to know that."},{"start":119.03,"end":121.57,"text":"That's my type."},{"start":122.66,"end":127.1,"text":"And, uh, this presentation will be reduced to cooperation."},{"start":128.28,"end":128.62,"text":"Right?"},{"start":132.18,"end":133.6,"text":"What about terminals and chargers?"},{"start":134.84,"end":135.76,"text":"Yeah, that gray area."},{"start":137.4,"end":153.47,"text":"Yeah, and I'll say that if there's a serious corroborative charge... 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