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Just to get one thing straight, the schedule next week's around the corner.

You've got to be joking.

I'm talking to Julie, who works with us, and I'm making a social list.

It does appear that we've got a schedule that we're making a social list.

It may not be necessary.

The chance of a great deal could be one of the first pictures next time.

I'm on the Tuesdays, so I don't know.

I know it's a little heavy.

Maybe not, but I'll draw.

Maybe not, but I'll listen to you in the White House on the 8th, sir.

Yes, sir.

And we recommend that we just cancel it.

No, sir.

Yes, sir.

Basically, it's a dedication and educational complex teaching military skills down in Brady and the Air Force, down here in the Naval Air Station.

Okay.

And this is the format to speak out on the strong right on the fence.

This is an executive.

The brand, the brand.

I think we can do it.

What about a worship service, can't we pass that?

We have a worship, well, yes sir, we have not announced any worship service, and, uh, can't pass that.

We've had a few of those, but you can pass that.

I'd just rather not have to go to the seat of the...

Yes, sir.

...the evening, I'll take that off.

So, yes sir, the evening and the, and the worship service, we, we, we have a worship service, you might have in your book there tentatively for the six.

They take that off in the evening.

That's good.

And that's what we got the financial.

One a week is all I really want.

Just eat one of that a week.

Yes, sir.

And maybe with the amount of social activity.

I mean, two, three.

Yeah, but actually one a week in the season.

That's good.

Then perhaps you might want to consider if you want to worship service on the 13th, which is Mother's Day, we wouldn't really be required to have kids.

I think we should educate them.

They'll teach.

Yeah.

Hello.

Yeah, I just want you to get your schedule, but we're about 5.30.

Is that all right with you today?

That'll get you time to finish up your work, and I'll finish mine.

Why don't you drop over to that... Oh, you might just... Just let me see what they're having here in the...

Just, why don't you drop over into the Oval Office.

You come in before we come in.

You come to the West Gate.

Bah, bah.

Bah, I just wanted to keep you out of the fire.

You people.

Bah, bah.

Yeah, another thing I wanted to ask you, just for my own guidance.

I noticed something in the paper this morning about these... And it occurred to me

Well, the only problem I'm concerned about here is that

We really aren't getting that.

See what I mean?

I just want you to be... All right.

Yeah, you're afraid to do that thing, huh?

Well, the only thing is, I remember opening the door and making a friend out here who used to put his people to work.

That was pretty rough.

Yeah.

Well, I don't want to embarrass anybody, except that I just want to, you know, with Royce and all these other people jumping on, I just don't want the feeling that you, as the director of this thing, I want you to be, you've gone the extra mile, you know, on something that seems to be coming out all over the place, doesn't it?

You know, I don't ask you what goes on, but I can read it exactly as it's coming.

That's right.

I don't.

That's right, that's right.

One other thing, I do need to know if I, without getting into what it is that I understand you have moved in, it's important you have the wolf in the name of the individual.

Is he a member of the White House?

That is all I need to know.

Shepard.

Yeah.

Shepard, Shepard, well...

But that's what you want to know.

I have to ask what it was.

I had to fire.

Now, another point I need to know, too, because I said we're going to question this yesterday.

With regard to the recruiter, you know, we still don't have him.

We still have him on hand.

Floyd, you know what I mean?

Now, is this... Well, he's on it.

Friday this week.

Okay.

All right.

Yeah, yeah, and I heard you said that we didn't want, all right, I will not tell anybody, but, well, now, our question is, Senator Danicek, what do you want him to say?

Mm-hmm.

Then what do you want the Secretary of Commerce to call the Senator and ask him what to say?

Yeah, in other words, you want him to be put out?

In other words, it's no problem for you to have a note that the recruiter has accepted and has resigned.

Okay, you see, what I'm getting at here is that I just figured, said I better be sure that he's asked anyone to know whether or not.

See, we're taking the line on Dean, for example, as well as on her.

We're treating them all the same, nobody's off.

So with Magruder, I figure we can't do that.

Yeah.

And, uh, as far as Dean is concerned, nothing to do with that, but we'll try to figure out that.

But, uh, thank you.

Thank you.

You can see this is a lone today, sir.

Oh, yes, my friend, right here.

Yes, sir.

That's good.

I'm glad you thought of that, Rena.

I was worried about that.

On Mother's Day, I would have planned anything at the moment.

Uh, we might want to meet in Florida.

That's fine.

Good.

I know.

I'm having to fill up our schedule next week.

I'm going to be canceling the show.

That's all right.

Yeah.

Come on.

All the time.

I'll be there to do that on Monday.

Anything like that.

Anything you want.

I'll let those things do it.

We'll be having, it's been recommended that on Tuesday, which is the day of the grant, that you have a bipartisan and not a legislature meeting on Friday.

The message will be on the hill on that day.

And this will be the same bipartisan along with Fulbright and I don't know, I don't have all the names right before.

On Tuesday, fine.

All right.

Well, that would be, wait a minute, Brown comes at what?

He comes at 10.30.

There's no rhyme or ceremony involved.

Oh, right, sir.

No, sir.

I think you were on the stage then.

For the second visit.

I'm saying that.

Great, great, great.

No problem.

Good, good, good.

Sure, four at 8.30.

Yes, sir.

Another meeting.

Right, good.

The Chamber of Commerce.

We'll be meeting in Washington, U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

Yeah.

And they'll be meeting the first three or four days of next week.

Just leave that very, very loose.

My present inclination is not to do that.

I don't feel that I have anything to talk to you about.

Ron, who is the boss of everyone at that time,

Okay.

Now there's some incidental items that...

The Congressional ones.

Oh, absolutely.

You can always take, you know, half, three-quarters of an hour, an hour a day for that sort of thing.

And try and go, you know, keep one day a week free.

Like this week, it can't be worth keeping one day a week.

So we have a survey, and the other person, I don't understand, you never have to ask me about the lens.

You get to figure, you've always got an arm.

They don't come three hours a week for that sort of thing.

Whenever you can get a picture of a person in the wrong line, it gets you a bigger one.

I'm an idiot.

I'm a young lady.

First of all, you're in Christmas grace.

We're going to be in town.

And I suggested that you would want to meet with me in the office, right here.

We're going to be here.

I'm not sure how long they stay, but I know they will be here on Monday, on this coming Monday.

Suggested it might be with them here in the office.

It's really not very substantive.

And, uh, were you ready to have lunch with them in the house?

One of those, one of those participating, perhaps, in both cases?

I would not want to lunch.

I just don't like to take that much time.

But, uh, why don't we invite them for

Say, uh, say a Bible talk over there, over at the residence, where, where they, they call her and have a little, little, uh, conco, pre-made protection, I guess.

Uh, I think so, or I think, I think it's a bison or something, an office of sorts.

Well, maybe the office of fish as well.

We can hold off on this.

There's a board of directors of the National Association of Real Estate

This is essentially, I think, a campaign support.

We're standing at the vestige of the STANS program.

We met with individuals, and there are a couple of groups left.

We can delay this, if you'd like, or we can just go ahead.

Well, if we didn't do it, it would just be too heavy.

It's all right.

There's no time.

All right, so what you have here is a prince and princess on Monday with diplomatic credentials.

All right.

Bipartisan leaders on Tuesday, Chancellor Brant and Brant dinner and entertainment afterwards.

All right.

Another meeting with Brant the next day.

Yes, sir.

Second meeting.

All right.

A couple other matters that are pending Sheldon's decision, such as the fire head, the fire head, and the later manager.

Yeah, yeah, that should be scheduled by all means, very important.

It is an economic thing.

You can schedule this week, provided they give you some time.

That's good.

Can it be tentatively scheduled for mid-4th?

No, if you don't have it, no.

This is the cabinet of the board.

Well, I would think that if there's an end to the economic meeting, we would do it on the 4th, and we might do it on the 11th, I'm just trying to see.

It shows we've got something.

The economy is the big thing this week.

Next week, we'll take it.

That's all I have, Mr. President.

You've got to go.

You've got to make a decision.

We'll just try to keep it positive.

And I think we're just right here.

I'd just like to alert you to the possibility of this new majority dinner, fundraising dinner, on the night outside of the house.

There may be a recommendation that you not attend.

And the reason is that the dinner just may not be shaking up.

Well, there is a new majority dinner.

A new majority dinner, yes, sir.

This is similar and different to the... Well, I have all those people under the... Well, this is the first fundraiser.

A fundraiser.

I think you can show me what was in May 9th.

Yeah, I have an answer.

I have to do an answer.

That is in the law.

It's going to go on.

I'm trying to find it.

It's being proposed.

It's being looked into to see whether it's really necessary for you to go.

Perhaps the Vice President can go.

And the reason is the question for right now, how much of a waste of time it might be for you.

It'd be good if I could honestly go wrong.

Where is the dinner?

What?

Uh, Washington Hill.

But isn't there another dinner?

This is the dinner.

They're raising money for the House and Senate candidates.

House and Senate candidates?

Yes, sir.

You know, let's see if he's going through with it.

That's right.

They think I can get out of it.

Uh, Tim is looking into this thing right now.

The subscription.

It's not on that high.

What?

The sales have not been that high.

Yeah, they have a problem probably with water and stuff like that.

I'm not sure exactly what the reason is.

It just may be poor planning on the part of the general people.

That seems to me more than anything else.

They've got to give certain responsibilities to other people for putting on the program.

I asked if people from the national press or the ones that have a president sitting there for about an hour.

What are your correspondents associated with that?

So unless they feel they're not going to get a big turn,

I just wanted to alert you with a sour new line, unless the dinner shakes up.

Yeah, well I would very much like to avoid, avoid a political thing, but of course it would be quite something if they had all been told that it was coming, if they'd been told that it was coming, pretty much.

To me, it's not certain that the president's coming.

Oh, is that right?

See, if I recall, over the past four years, she only gets into two of these.

That's right.

So there's a hamlet prison.

Well, then you could have an accident with this one.

It might be the one in the fall.

That's maybe the record that she's in.

And this is good in total for it.

Try it.

You can't do a channel in that direction if it can't be done gracefully.

In other words, it acted.

Let it be an accident this year.

What do you think?

Does it sound right to you, Ron?

I think so.

Rather than me just having to go through it.

Because that's really in time.

I just don't want to make a political speech right now about something I particularly understand.

I'd rather be one of the kinds of business.

Try to channel it out if we possibly can.

If you say I'll do one for fall or something like that.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Okay, Ron.

I was told when the case came up, I asked about this bag that's cracked at this column.

The wolf was supposed to be right there.

I told him, I said, I told him, I said, remember why I asked that?

Why didn't you know?

He said, no, it isn't.

I said, who is it?

He said, it's the wolf and the shepherd.

I said, who the hell is he?

He said, he's a con man, we think.

So now I'm saying, we're going to get him for the ranger.

Oh, he's a con man.

Well, that's what he said so far.

He said he may be a non-postage con man or something.

But at least I thought he's not in the White House.

Right.

Or in a bottle of a restaurant like that.

You know what I mean?

And maybe probably one of Hunt's associates.

Correct.

Like that.

But that puts it in their perspective.

That puts it into that spectator system.

Well, I just wanted to report to you briefly.

I had a discussion with Harlow this morning.

An hour.

Very evasion and very thoughtful.

Yes, he is.

I don't have to go on in length, but he concurs with the views which have been expressed

by others.

First, it's pervasive.

Secondly, the president's got to clean himself up.

And third, the thing to do is for these men to step up and resign now.

Yes, sir.

That's it.

They're never going to do it again.

They can't resign.

So, well, that's easy if they don't resign today.

You can tell them to resign.

They can come down to it.

Or you can say, all right, fellas, you've got a week.

The Connolly view and Harlow's view is that the time to act is instant, and not in a panicky way, and not in the presidency's crumbling type of emotion.

He feels that these men he despises probably have already suggested this course of action to him.

He does not agree with the so-called buffer theory.

He does point out, and this is without my questioning, it's surprising how these things run all around him, run the way he feels that the president, when he makes a move, should also make the move of the new direction and reorganization.

The fact should govern.

Everyone says that.

The president has all the facts.

He's uncertain to draw a judgment on whether or not the two could be separated, because he doesn't, I didn't give him any of the details.

But he does buy the point of view that if a move is made and then later on, if the president has facts that suggest later on there is a risk of further information coming out, then the initial act is negated.

He does not feel that Bob can survive.

I asked him about the congressional thing, and he said he does not sense that next week.

That's right.

But he said that, of course, could come.

His area of concern primarily was that the only way to move on with the work of the best of, with the work of the presidency, is to not have this matter remaining in the White House.

He said it must be separated out.

It must be separated out.

So, basically, it's the same view as others.

I thought you would want to... You told that to... Do you know what they're talking about?

I don't know.

I haven't seen Bob or John this morning, huh?

Too bad they're... too damn strong a man and so forth.

They sure are.

I'm sure they're going to say something about the way we did it.

They could wait a week.

I mean, you talk about what we do.

It's going to take a little planning.

Oh, sure.

They've got to get there.

We've even decided that they've got to get things set up and so on and so on.

They just can't walk out.

No.

If anything comes up, they're good.

Or I can ask for some bits of information.

No, I didn't know that.

If it comes up, I don't want to volunteer.

You're simply saying, well, that should be the writing of the Secretary of Commerce.

That's the Secretary of Commerce.

That is, or the Secretary of Commerce will say that these resubmissions will be accepted by Friday.

But if you can hand me what you want, or you can send her her resubmissions and get some of the Secretary's resubmissions, what did you submit?

I just put it in the Secretary of Commerce's report.

Maybe I don't know.

We don't want to get into that.

He has submitted his resignation.

I don't know.

Maybe I should get the date of it.

I'll bounce it over to Connor.

I don't know whether there's anything else to do that you wish to talk about in the city.

I was reading this article in the same paper this morning.

The Post was complaining about the fact that the White House stirred up a program instead of a set-to-set slum.

I'm trying to say exactly where did the Post object to the fact that the governor and I stirred up $350,000 to save the city?

in the name of God.

Did they project to the fact that thousands of foreign lawyers and letters came in here projecting a bombing?

You know what I mean?

Of course, of course we work to get people's support for their goddamn rights.

They said fake ads on fake ads.

Who is the person?

They're too subject.

They pulled from the campaign committee and said we couldn't do anything on it.

It's just a magical presence.

And the other guy himself had himself in the back.

I don't.

Let me see.

There's so many of those little people floating around.

Big shots of cocktail.

Okay.

Keep your old balance, huh?

Yes, sir.

There's a little bit of a tendency for people to think the whole world's not crashing.

I don't think Harlow thinks that.

No, I don't either.

I don't think Connolly thinks that either.

They see this first.

They're ready to take the challenge.

No, I don't either.

I mean, the presidency is not destroyed.

Nothing like that is suggested.

I mean, Bryce is one.

And I think this is going to have to change, you know, in a major way.

Because Bryce is the only one to go to him.

Bryce tends to talk about it.

He asked me, he said, he's going to run on the line.

He asked me.

No, he said.

Oh, my goodness.