{"conversationCode":"908-019","tapeNumber":908,"conversationNumber":19,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-908-019","startDateTime":"1973-05-01T19:41:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-01T20:02:00.000Z","startDate":"1-May-1973","startTime":"3:41 PM","endDate":"1-May-1973","endTime":"4:02 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On May 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:41 pm and 4:02 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 908-019 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 908-019\n\nDate: May 1, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 3:41 pm and 4:02 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n       Watergate\n             -Memorandum\n                    -William P. Rogers\n             -Presidential papers\n                    -Bull’s meeting with Rogers\n                    -Refusal of subpoena\n                    -Bull’s meeting with Rogers\n\nBull conferred with an unknown person at an unknown time after 3:41 pm.\n\n       Rogers’s location\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 4:02 pm.","filename":["908-019.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B.","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"908-018","nextCode":"908-020","transcript":[{"start":51.26,"end":51.52,"text":"No."},{"start":51.62,"end":51.76,"text":"No."},{"start":51.8,"end":52.04,"text":"No."},{"start":52.08,"end":52.2,"text":"No."},{"start":75.63,"end":76.77,"text":"Talk it over with him."},{"start":76.79,"end":77.45,"text":"See if he can get me."},{"start":77.59,"end":79.05,"text":"That's not my point."},{"start":79.67,"end":80.71,"text":"I'm not buying that."},{"start":81.05,"end":84.87,"text":"My papers are national security papers."},{"start":85.03,"end":86.83,"text":"There's a lot to believe about that."},{"start":86.97,"end":88.61,"text":"I know I can get out of it."},{"start":88.63,"end":90.8,"text":"I have a letter where they can be submitted."},{"start":91.03,"end":91.67,"text":"Is that clear?"},{"start":91.75,"end":94.86,"text":"They can be submitted out of this."},{"start":94.94,"end":97.6,"text":"I'm not going to have that."},{"start":98.14,"end":98.76,"text":"Go get him."},{"start":98.78,"end":99.88,"text":"He's right in there."},{"start":100.02,"end":101.14,"text":"Walk right out there and get him."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Stephen B. Bull to discuss strategies for handling legal challenges, specifically regarding the handling of presidential papers and the refusal of a subpoena. Nixon asserted that his records were protected by national security claims and insisted they should be submitted through alternative channels rather than handed over directly. The conversation concluded with Nixon directing Bull to coordinate with William P. Rogers to manage the situation.","topics":["Watergate","Presidential papers","Subpoena","National security","William P. Rogers"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T23:47:55.453Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate","presidential-papers","subpoena","national-security","william-p-rogers"],"audioDurationSec":116,"audioFiles":[{"file":"908-019.mp3","bytes":3706880,"durationSec":115.72,"bitrate":256265,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:06.082Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:45:00.968Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/908-019.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/908-019","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/908/conversation-908-019","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}