{"conversationCode":"908-022","tapeNumber":908,"conversationNumber":22,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-908-022","startDateTime":"1973-05-01T20:07:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-01T20:16:00.000Z","startDate":"1-May-1973","startTime":"4:07 PM","endDate":"1-May-1973","endTime":"4:16 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On May 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:07 pm and 4:16 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 908-022 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 908-022\n\nDate: May 1, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 4:07 pm and 4:16 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n       Watergate\n             -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] guards in offices\n                    -Ronald L. Ziegler\n\n       President’s schedule\n              -Roy L. Ash\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n               -Spiro T. Agnew\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 4:16 pm.","filename":["908-022.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"908-021","nextCode":"908-023","transcript":[{"start":0.13,"end":1.49,"text":"I understand it's all worked out now."},{"start":1.71,"end":2.03,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":2.11,"end":2.73,"text":"I have no paper."},{"start":3.19,"end":3.51,"text":"Fine."},{"start":3.67,"end":8.31,"text":"A lot of these people in the hall, there's like deviations there and there inside."},{"start":9.02,"end":9.81,"text":"So they should see me now."},{"start":10.12,"end":10.39,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":10.41,"end":14.16,"text":"I mean, you stand outside where the whole staff goes by and says, what the hell are we doing?"},{"start":14.26,"end":16.7,"text":"When they inquire from the guards, do you know what I mean?"},{"start":16.72,"end":17.56,"text":"Somebody should report it."},{"start":17.58,"end":20.24,"text":"I mean, they could put it out in the press and all that sort of thing."},{"start":20.52,"end":21,"text":"That's terrible."},{"start":21.02,"end":21.28,"text":"Of course."},{"start":24.2,"end":25.02,"text":"Would you like to see Roy?"},{"start":25.04,"end":25.3,"text":"Yeah, sure."},{"start":25.36,"end":27.12,"text":"Would you like to stay here?"},{"start":28.71,"end":33.38,"text":"So I've got to say, I know you guys are excited to meet him anyway."},{"start":33.4,"end":34,"text":"No, no, I'm fine."},{"start":34.02,"end":46.91,"text":"I think he'll be here in a minute or so."},{"start":46.93,"end":47.59,"text":"Yeah, see you in a bit."},{"start":47.61,"end":48.05,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":48.27,"end":48.98,"text":"Come over here, please."},{"start":49.42,"end":49.66,"text":"Very good."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull discussed concerns regarding the presence and conduct of FBI guards stationed within White House offices, expressing worry that their visibility might invite negative press speculation among the staff. Nixon emphasized the need for better control over the situation to prevent further rumors or internal unrest. Additionally, the pair coordinated logistics for upcoming appointments, including a scheduled meeting with Roy Ash.","topics":["Watergate","FBI","White House security","Roy Ash","Presidential staff management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T23:48:12.546Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate","fbi","white-house-security","roy-ash","presidential-staff-management"],"audioDurationSec":55,"audioFiles":[{"file":"908-022.mp3","bytes":1765376,"durationSec":55.03,"bitrate":256657,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:06.413Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:45:00.968Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/908-022.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/908-022","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/908/conversation-908-022","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}