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Conversation 909-011

TapeTape 909StartWednesday, May 2, 1973 at 9:59 AMEndWednesday, May 2, 1973 at 10:08 AMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Ziegler, Ronald L.;  [Unknown person(s)];  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Recording deviceOval Office
AudioNARA Description

On May 2, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, unknown person(s), and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:59 am to 10:08 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 909-011 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 909-11

Date: May 2, 1973
Time: 9:59 am - 10:08 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.

       Watergate
             -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] guards in offices of H. R. (“Bob”)
              Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman
                    -Ziegler’s knowledge

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 9:59 am.

       Ziegler         

                 -Whereabouts      


The unknown man left at an unknown time before 10:02 am.
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                       Tape Subject Log 

                                      (rev. October-2012)

                                                               Conversation No. 909-11 (cont’d)

       Watergate      

             -FBI guards in offices of Haldeman and Ehrlichman 

                    -Leonard Garment’s telephone call to Ziegler 

                            -Timing        


The President talked with H. R. Haldeman between 10:02 am and 10:04 am.

[Conversation No. 909-11A]

[Begin telephone conversation]

[See Conversation No. 45-133]

[End telephone conversation]

       Watergate       

             -FBI guards in offices of Haldeman and Ehrlichman 

                    -Garment’s telephone call to Ziegler
                            -Ziegler’s advice
                            -Consultations with Elliot L. Richardson and William D.
                             Ruckelshaus
                    -Ziegler’s knowledge
                            -Conversations
                                    -Helen A. Thomas
                                           -Source
                                    -Garment and Richardson
                                           -Briefing
                    -Effect on public opinion
                            -Haldeman, Ehrlichman
                            -Perception of President

       Press relations
               -Foreign policy report
                       -Kissinger’s briefing
                       -President’s possible radio statement
                              -Ziegler’s assessment
                       -Signing ceremony
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                      Tape Subject Log 

                                     (rev. October-2012)

                                                           Conversation No. 909-11 (cont’d)



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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]

       John B. Connally 

              -Courage        

              -Forthcoming press conference            

              -White House role           

                     -Speculation
              -Change in party affiliation 

                     -Motives         

                     -Courage           

              -Timing of announcement

[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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Ziegler left at 10:08 am.
Transcript (AI-Generated)

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

Lynn told me that he called me.
Well, you've got your line.
Len called me the night before and discussed the procedures.
He said he was concerned about the procedures.
I said, Len, I can't help you in any way on this.
I said, you know, it's not something out of my way, the area.
I said, this is your council, and you've got to proceed as it was directed by the president in his meeting with you.
And then he said, well, I consulted with Richardson and with Ruckelshaus.
And we feel that procedures have to be put into effect from the protection of the men and the protection of the president.
I said, Len, you know, that's something that I can't help you with.
And I really was not in a position to do so.
That's when he gave me the procedures.
OK. Then the first time that I was aware, you asked me for a report of the FBI men standing in the hall
was when Helen Thomas came up and said, the FBI, we understand there's a purge of FBI people coming on.
I don't know where she got it.
And then she didn't get it from Len.
Okay.
Then I started pursuing it.
I talked to Elliot.
I talked to Len.
I said, well, we've got to make sure that this is in the right context and the right perspective.
And then that's what developed in terms of the briefing.
That is the fact.
That is a fact.
But let me say,
It is not casting any further aspersion on Bob and John.
How about the president?
It makes the president look very strong, in my view.
And this is the reaction that you get.
And that is that the president's not pulling any bones.
He's not playing any, you know, he's playing this straight out.
And from the standpoint of the president,
And I'm serious on this.
I mean, I'm not carrying anyone who wants to take the water.
My view is that it makes the president seem he's moving to get the thing done, Brian.
What else do you have before you get out?
That's really all this morning.
Henry's going to brief on the foreign policy report this morning.
He's going to ask me if I could do a final briefing with him, or should I?
What kind of thing are you meant to do?
Have you on the air talking about something?
I'm going to see if they get something.
I told him we'll keep the auction open and I'll have a public sign.
I've been shooting down, and he'll cover that today.
Shooting down from the standpoint of saying the president's made a decision?
No, it's probably the Republican.
It takes a lot of guts.
You know, it's a smart thing.
He has no future.
He knows this will pass, and he's going to leave it to me.
Good, what do you think?
Yes, sir.
A lot of guts.
A lot of guts.
He goes at 11 o'clock.
Yeah.
Okay.
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