{"conversationCode":"909-020","tapeNumber":909,"conversationNumber":20,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-909-020","startDateTime":"1973-05-02T14:43:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-02T14:46:00.000Z","startDate":"2-May-1973","startTime":"10:43 AM","endDate":"2-May-1973","endTime":"10:46 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On May 2, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:43 am to 10:46 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 909-020 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 909-20\n\nDate: May 2, 1973\nTime: 10:43 am - 10:46 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n       Spiro T. Agnew’s role in administration\n              -News release\n                     -John B. Connally’s announcement\n                     -Quadriad and Domestic Council\n              -John D. Ehrlichman\n\n       Connally’s telephone call to President\n             -Announcement\n\n       Watergate\n             -President’s remarks on Charles H. Percy in Cabinet meeting\n                    -Elliot L. Richardson\n\n       President’s schedule\n              -Meeting with Willy Brandt\n                      -Photo opportunity\n                             -Walter Scheel\n\f                                               -27-\n\n                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                               Conversation No. 909-30 (cont’d)\n\n                         -President’s conversation with Henry A. Kissinger\n                                -Meeting with West German officials, Scheel\n\nZiegler left at 10:46 am.","filename":["909-020.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"909-019","nextCode":"909-021","transcript":[{"start":13.99,"end":17.37,"text":"It could appear to be a reaction to conflict"},{"start":164.48,"end":165.64,"text":"Did Henry raise that with you?"},{"start":166.82,"end":169.36,"text":"No way."},{"start":169.38,"end":173.02,"text":"Apparently at some point you're going to meet with five of them who are the foreign ministers and so forth."},{"start":173.04,"end":176.76,"text":"Maybe that's the end of the meeting today."},{"start":177.44,"end":178.32,"text":"You all worked that out."},{"start":178.43,"end":180.67,"text":"I don't care."},{"start":180.69,"end":181.95,"text":"We'll have one picture."},{"start":182.05,"end":185.47,"text":"It would not be at the beginning."},{"start":186.21,"end":189.25,"text":"At the end, and that's when we do the picture."},{"start":190.07,"end":190.43,"text":"Good."},{"start":190.57,"end":192.25,"text":"Okay, sir."},{"start":192.45,"end":192.81,"text":"Yes, sir?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler coordinate the logistical details for an upcoming meeting with West German officials, including Chancellor Willy Brandt and Foreign Minister Walter Scheel. The discussion focuses on scheduling a photo opportunity to occur at the end of the session to avoid any appearance of conflict. Additionally, the pair briefly touches upon administrative concerns, including the roles of Vice President Spiro Agnew and John Connally, alongside ongoing developments regarding the Watergate scandal and Cabinet-level appointments.","topics":["West German relations","Willy Brandt","Photo opportunity","Watergate","Spiro Agnew","John Connally","White House logistics"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T23:50:43.184Z"},"topicSlugs":["west-german-relations","willy-brandt","photo-opportunity","watergate","spiro-agnew","john-connally","white-house-logistics"],"audioDurationSec":198,"audioFiles":[{"file":"909-020.mp3","bytes":6336512,"durationSec":197.88,"bitrate":256175,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:06.647Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:45:01.168Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/909-020.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/909-020","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/909/conversation-909-020","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}