{"conversationCode":"911-012","tapeNumber":911,"conversationNumber":12,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-911-012","startDateTime":"1973-05-03T14:21:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-03T14:30:00.000Z","startDate":"3-May-1973","startTime":"10:21 AM","endDate":"3-May-1973","endTime":"10:30 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On May 3, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:21 am and 10:30 am. 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Haig, Jr.’s possible appointment\n                    -[Chief of Staff]\n                    -Responsibility\n                    -[Domestic issues]\n\f                                             -21-\n\n                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                           Conversation No. 911-33 (cont’d)\n\n                            -Compared to foreign policy\n                                   -President, Kissinger\n                    -Duration\n                    -Notification\n                            -Defense Department\n\n      President’s meeting with Bruce\n             -Bruce’s role\n                    -Kissinger’s briefings\n                            -Moscow visit\n                                   -Peking\n                    -State Department\n                            -Leaks\n                            -Channel","filename":["911-012.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"911-011","nextCode":"911-013","transcript":[{"start":30.27,"end":33.33,"text":"Well, I don't know what to say."},{"start":33.35,"end":35.59,"text":"I'm going to talk."},{"start":35.84,"end":38.6,"text":"And I have to find, I don't have to find a long period."},{"start":38.98,"end":41.82,"text":"I've got a lot of, I'll do some thinking."},{"start":41.84,"end":43.56,"text":"I might have somebody a week."},{"start":45.5,"end":47.12,"text":"But I got to get somebody trained, too."},{"start":62.27,"end":62.86,"text":"You know what I mean?"},{"start":62.92,"end":65.68,"text":"Egg was trying to step in and things."},{"start":65.7,"end":70.34,"text":"Well, egg would be, we'd just get a little bit to happen every year."},{"start":71.82,"end":72.68,"text":"And that's it."},{"start":72.7,"end":72.82,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":72.84,"end":72.96,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":73,"end":73.14,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":73.16,"end":74.81,"text":"Well, you know, the point is, Al will do that now."},{"start":74.84,"end":86.53,"text":"The main point is, I want to assure you that on the international thing, you and I right now, you see, that's, that's, see, I just got to get somebody that's a curious thing that can handle that so that you and I can do the other, see."},{"start":90.56,"end":91.36,"text":"What did you tell them?"},{"start":99.69,"end":103.05,"text":"Tell me this, uh, how could, uh, how physically did he work out such a thing?"},{"start":103.71,"end":106.13,"text":"I just, uh, give him... Go ahead."},{"start":106.21,"end":113.78,"text":"Yes, I just asked him for, uh, two weeks."},{"start":115.8,"end":124.08,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":124.1,"end":124.3,"text":"Right."},{"start":127.1,"end":127.3,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":127.64,"end":129.04,"text":"Why don't I just say 30 days?"},{"start":129.86,"end":134.92,"text":"Well, I'll tell you, will you, uh, or shall I tell him to work on the piece of paper that I sent the secretary?"},{"start":134.96,"end":137.93,"text":"That's... Give him a while."},{"start":137.94,"end":138.16,"text":"All right."},{"start":139.15,"end":139.72,"text":"Good deal, Henry."},{"start":140.28,"end":141.41,"text":"Well, that's all from Walker."},{"start":141.45,"end":144.57,"text":"You and that, uh, I appreciate you being such a good team player."},{"start":147.97,"end":149.05,"text":"Now, now, we'll get over it."},{"start":151.17,"end":151.75,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":152.39,"end":152.93,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":153.57,"end":154.91,"text":"Uh, Bruce was, was very good."},{"start":154.95,"end":156.15,"text":"Very good talking to me."},{"start":157.33,"end":158.71,"text":"He just, he just stayed with it."},{"start":158.73,"end":159.23,"text":"Ha, ha, ha."},{"start":163.77,"end":168.17,"text":"I said, normally on your visits, he said, they're reporting me after your visit, so I said, can you come in and pick me up?"},{"start":168.19,"end":181.32,"text":"And of course, I said, normally, I said, you always meddle, but I said, in his case, I'm sure that you would probably want him."},{"start":182.75,"end":187.79,"text":"I think that is important, and he said, I said, you understand, David, you know, I said, it's cannot be channeled."},{"start":188.37,"end":192.35,"text":"He said, oh, he said, I know the State Department since the last three weeks through, and he's like, this is it."},{"start":192.39,"end":195.15,"text":"He said, I'm going to use that channel."},{"start":195.21,"end":198.15,"text":"So, but you see what I mean?"},{"start":198.17,"end":204.32,"text":"So, I am assuring that when you went over, you would, you know, you would always want"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger met to discuss urgent personnel restructuring within the White House, specifically focusing on the appointment of a new Chief of Staff and the potential role of Alexander M. 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