{"conversationCode":"912-004","tapeNumber":912,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-912-004","startDateTime":"1973-05-08T14:16:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-08T14:40:00.000Z","startDate":"8-May-1973","startTime":"10:16 AM","endDate":"8-May-1973","endTime":"10:40 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On May 8, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:16 am and 10:40 am. 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Timmons [?]\n                       -President’s introduction\n                             -John B. Connally\n                             -Bush\n                             -Spiro T. Agnew\n                             -William E. Brock, III\n           -Bipartisan Congressional leaders\n           -Cabinet\n           -Republican Congressional leaders\n           -Emissary from Bangladesh\n           -Albert E. Sindlinger\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 10:40 am.","filename":["912-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"912-003","nextCode":"912-005","transcript":[{"start":0.62,"end":2.64,"text":"with regard to that program."},{"start":4.94,"end":6.31,"text":"I wonder if"},{"start":32.46,"end":36.36,"text":"He has to put in something else about our race."},{"start":36.84,"end":37.96,"text":"Who's talking to him?"},{"start":38.9,"end":44.79,"text":"What I had to do was talk to him about the presence of men in the concentration center, et cetera, et cetera."},{"start":44.83,"end":49.83,"text":"I really explained to him that it was a short book, but I didn't have to do the book."},{"start":50.52,"end":53.42,"text":"Now, the idea of answering is what you know, right?"},{"start":57.75,"end":61.67,"text":"The point is, John Conlon is going to be here Thursday for a meeting that they're going to have at 9 o'clock."},{"start":61.69,"end":68.02,"text":"And it occurred to me, as was supposed, that George might want to call him."},{"start":68.04,"end":76.64,"text":"And George does it on his own."},{"start":76.66,"end":84.42,"text":"And invited him to come to the meeting for him to introduce the president."},{"start":87.78,"end":90.2,"text":"Who else did they have in mind?"},{"start":91.26,"end":94.39,"text":"The Vice President just yesterday requested to introduce you."},{"start":94.43,"end":96.93,"text":"The Vice President, it wasn't even Senator Brown."},{"start":96.99,"end":102.19,"text":"The Vice President requested it, not the Vice President wanted to introduce you."},{"start":102.21,"end":102.37,"text":"Okay."},{"start":104.14,"end":109.32,"text":"Well, I think we've got an awkward situation."},{"start":109.34,"end":109.6,"text":"All right."},{"start":109.8,"end":111.64,"text":"Maybe we've got to not have fun."},{"start":111.66,"end":113,"text":"Keep them out of it."},{"start":119.27,"end":126.74,"text":"I know, but I can't wait to see where we sit in terms of the possibility that he told me yesterday about the bipartisan and the cabinet building."},{"start":127.3,"end":128.22,"text":"No, there's no bipartisan."},{"start":128.24,"end":129.1,"text":"It's all bipartisan."},{"start":129.16,"end":130.54,"text":"We just decided against that, so."},{"start":130.56,"end":131.16,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":132.1,"end":133.9,"text":"You can forget the bipartisan this week."},{"start":134.02,"end":136.74,"text":"The cabinet will be 9 o'clock Thursday morning."},{"start":136.76,"end":138.83,"text":"Definitely."},{"start":138.87,"end":140.49,"text":"And we've got to have the GOP leadership tomorrow."},{"start":140.53,"end":143.53,"text":"The GOP leadership is tomorrow morning."},{"start":143.55,"end":147.51,"text":"We just don't want that to happen, sir."},{"start":147.53,"end":148.35,"text":"She said Wednesday or Thursday."},{"start":151.68,"end":153.06,"text":"Or we can scrub that all together."},{"start":153.12,"end":153.7,"text":"Scrub that."},{"start":154.84,"end":159.89,"text":"Scrub the leaders this time."},{"start":159.93,"end":160.37,"text":"All right."},{"start":160.39,"end":161.19,"text":"There is a recommendation."},{"start":161.21,"end":166.79,"text":"I may want to go with that Friday morning, but we'll see."},{"start":166.85,"end":167.59,"text":"But just scrub the leaders."},{"start":167.61,"end":170.41,"text":"I'm not ready for anything right now."},{"start":170.43,"end":175.4,"text":"Recommendation."},{"start":175.42,"end":175.76,"text":"All right."},{"start":175.84,"end":180.48,"text":"Tomorrow, you receive an emissary from Daniel Adesh."},{"start":181.07,"end":181.89,"text":"No, no, no, no, no, no, no."},{"start":181.91,"end":183.79,"text":"I will not do that."},{"start":185.07,"end":185.31,"text":"Very much so."},{"start":185.78,"end":186.26,"text":"That is how I got..."},{"start":186.3,"end":188.74,"text":"I've been to see secondary people from any of these countries before."},{"start":188.78,"end":198.12,"text":"You have no desire to see how we're assembling here this weekend."},{"start":198.14,"end":202.29,"text":"This is something you can do in the back."},{"start":202.53,"end":203.01,"text":"No, no, no, no, no, no."},{"start":204.11,"end":206.19,"text":"Don't do any of the things."},{"start":206.39,"end":207.91,"text":"There's no reason to do that at all."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with his aide Stephen B. 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