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One is, you had raised the point of the foundation and the situation on that.

The ideal situation for John and me, if it can be worked out, which it can be as far as the foundation is concerned, but I don't want them to do it without your knowledge.

and it may at some point require your indication of concurrence, is if they, the Foundation, would retain me as a special consultant or something, and John as a special counsel or something, on a one-year retainment, would it just be starting from the time you leave here until a year from that time?

It'll cover an awful lot of things, including maintaining our security clearance, access to files, accessibility to you for whatever you want.

But with total separation, when would you do this?

Start as soon as we leave here, which is next week, I guess.

Or we can leave IEA to start July 1 or something, if you want to do that.

I think the only problem I see with that is whether or not it's really just what the situation is.

Sorry, I don't have a name for him.

Okay, done.

Okay.

You understand, I wouldn't want to have it done and not have a big flat.

Okay.

Well, there's two arguments that if we're,

It's done before the grand jury acts.

Then it's done on a routine basis to get it done.

If the grand jury indicts us, I'd leave it that way.

We're convicted, obviously.

We have to get out.

If you wait until after the grand jury and it doesn't indict, there's no problem.

If it does, there is a problem.

And I'm sorry for me.

We have both an income problem and an access problem.

We can go on several job offers and stuff, but I don't .

That's right.

And even if we're under indictment, as we talked about before, I know you're not convicted, so I'm convicted, and we are still at the most, and first of all, the foundation has an overriding interest in having an accurate

thing on the Watergate matter, which is going to be a major factor in the history.

Now, that can be done without any announcement, I believe, and it probably should be.

Who is that?

Who could do it?

Firestone.

Just tell them.

Firestone will take care of it.

And they want to do it.

They're Firestone and Schreiber and other people are very interested.

It wasn't Mark who did this and me.

The other thing is, I don't know that you ought to get into this, but you ought to be aware of it, that maybe it's already yours, but Stan's position, and we'll take care of it externally, this has nothing to do with me.

It has to do with the other little people in this.

Stan's position is that the committee, and they have a budget committee that's deciding this, out of that four and a half million, whatever it is they have,

is taking care of the legal fees of committee staff people who are having to have counsel.

As of now, they have decided tentatively that they will not take care of the legal fees of other than committee people who are brought in, such as White House staff people or other agency people.

They're willing to reconsider this, and I think they're going to.

In my view, they should.

or any of these other people if they have to get lawyers and ask them to pay their own legal bills.

And you can't pay them on the government funds.

No, no, no, no.

So I want the whole Lamargate thing handled that way.

Now, what they do, they're going to move some of that money over to the National Committee to do some of their prayers on the legal thing.

But they should keep some of it as a cleanup fund for their own thing, because they're still with the men in the lawsuit themselves.

That's the problem.

Bush doesn't want the lawsuits.

He's afraid to have the money moved.

I told him, okay, well, I'm going to hold the money on the basis that until they're cleared, they're only going to be lost.

And I said, I think that the management should take care of all the common legal pieces.

But God, I don't agree with any of this kind of crap with you again, Dad.

If he comes by, I'm going to say, what have you done, my God?

Because what the hell is it?

What the hell is it for?

I mean, you can't respect white people.

Otherwise, I'd feel an obligation to help you.

That's it.

You can't let these little guys who are holding this, you know,

I don't think they're going to have any

I see you.

I mean, it does look horrible, these goddamn hearings.

And your lawyers and goddamn I.O.

missionaries.

I mean, why do you think they could have had raids?

Holy hell.

Mistrial.

Jesus Christ.

You understand?

Well, they have a service out there.

And this is the reason.

In a way, it may help us if we do get embedded.

It'll be bad.

It'll be bad in terms of...

I'm not at all sure that the hearings are that bad anyway.

Sure, they're going to have to cover all the facts of the Watergate hunt.

Everyone knows all that anyway.

That's not going to be a problem.

I was really trying to think what we were right about in 1965.

I think it's best to put it in there rather than say, oh, my country may not be as good as yours.

But you see, I think it's going to make people worried about something, right?

Other than if you find a way, if you're in Boston or something.

Let me ask you to say one other thing.

On that September 15th conversation that we had in New York, it just occurred to me that you must be playing notes on it.

I want to go to the desk.

That's one of the things I'm in here for.

I went through my file, and this is, there's something strange about this.

As I went through the file, I went through your, you know, I have a copy of your log, the scheduled log, and in that, I went through it, and I didn't see that, but there were several

blowing up in the mid-April period when you had John Deere at the office and then when you had Dean in for, you know, maybe resign and that sort of stuff.

During that period, Dean asked the staff secretary's office for a log of the times he met with the president, the dates that he met with the president.

And under their practice, an individual is entitled to that information, a senior staff member, if he asks the file for a record of his meetings with the president.

shows the August 14th meeting, and then it doesn't show another meeting until February of 73, February of 77.

And I find that very curious.

In other words, oops, or the archivist in searching did not find a meeting on September 15.

Why?

I don't know why.

But there's something funny there.

Is it possible they saw you at that meeting?

Possible, but it doesn't show in my log either.

But I went through my log too.

Now I don't keep a log myself, but my secretary kept a record of who went in and out of my office.

But the interesting thing is that I don't recall having a conversation.

I know he doesn't mean it either.

I don't recall it either.

You know, I have a couple of funny little bits just for you.

The dean has no evidence, from both the Senate and the investigators, the dean has no evidence that ties the president into either the Watergate or the cover-up.

I wonder about you, sir.

They also have a thing from them saying that there's, that the dean's safety, they know what's in the dean's safety deposit box.

There's some national security documents.

They know what they are, and they're not.

The prosecutor, some of the prosecutors.

I think what they are is something related to the hunt business or something that was a bombshell at one point, but that bomb's gone off now.

Well, you know, the more I reflected on our conversation last night, I don't know if we had much conversation about it.

We, you, we will have to, we will have to just say that the girl is, is, is, is, you know, because it relates, because it relates to the president.

It relates to about an attack with regard to technical implications along the way.

Yeah, right, the president.

Yeah.

And then you come right on and say, you know, it relates to what you would say, you would say about how this discussion

He used to give you a full account of everything related to Watergate because it was becoming clear with McCord and stuff and all of them that Deet had more information than you had been given.

And Deet indicated that to you also apparently in these earlier meetings you've been having with him and with Moore as you were trying to look into how we could get this cleared up and have a public statement made on it.

So you said, look, I want the whole box.

So he came in to give you the whole box.

recitation of how he constructed the things that was taking place apparently, and as to what he thought the jeopardies were of the various people involved, including people in the White House, and that he indicated he thought there were some jeopardies, potential jeopardies, in circumstantial linkage in terms of the 350 that I was, had dealt with, was I mentioned?

And the other stuff.

And then he indicated to you that there had been

uh, some blackmail, uh, incidents, uh, or what he regarded as blackmail incidents involved in this.

And one of those was, uh, was an example of something of Hunt's, uh, where he had made this direct threat against Erdogan that he was going to reveal what he had done for Erdogan if he wasn't given a payment.

And, uh, $100,000.

That's right.

And that's it.

I'm going to say that anyway.

that I had heard about this draft.

And I'm going to say that it was discussed with you because I don't discuss what's discussed with you.

But that you then were very much, this was a totally new area to you and were very surprised about this and very much interested in the, that's where we would say the president came out of his chair, this whole question of what was going on here.

And you probed quite deeply into this with Dean

And you, as you did in other areas, this wasn't the only one, this was an area that you broke deeply into, and trying to draw out of him, and he was reluctant to put it out.

You weren't getting a full thing right at the outset from him.

You kept saying, but what do you do?

How do you, you know, raising money is no problem.

So, you know, you can't talk about, that's a big problem, we can raise money.

But I don't understand, what do you mean by, how do you get it to him?

No matter if you're talking about the human committee and all this sort of thing, you were asking a lot of leading questions designed to draw the dean out because it was apparent the dean was sort of treading a thin line in how he was talking with you in that meeting.

You had told him to give you all the facts.

He was not giving you all the facts.

He was giving you a selective view of the facts.

what they did, who, then you were trying to find who else was involved.

And he volunteered at some point, as you were probing, and I said that he had been in communication with Mitchell about it.

Which he also found very interesting.

He wanted to see what was involved there.

And there was some discussion of this conversation with Mitchell.

I wouldn't mention Pat's at all, in regard to all of this.

And as you go into this, it becomes very clear

And then as you look at subsequent days, it confirms that quickly, that the president was realizing here that there was a problem within the White House, where he had been assured from up to that point that there wasn't.

And that the problem at that point focused, had to focus, because it was going to do anything.

And the White House was on D. And that you were probing D hard to find out what was happening.

And the upshot of that was you said to D,

And that's why I think you called me into the meeting.

You said to Dean, I want you to have a meeting with Mitchell and Ervin and all of them.

See, at this point, you didn't know what Mitchell's involvement was.

No.

And neither did Dean have a meeting.

That's what I said.

You said, I want the four of you to meet, and I want Dean to give Mitchell and Ervin and all of them the same total tax that he's given me.

Well, did I say that?

Yeah.

And you were so suspicious, I think, of what we were getting.

I think you wanted to smoke out where Dean fit and where everybody else fit as a result of that.

So you had us meet with the next day, and he did give you those facts.

He gave us some, yeah.

He didn't go into as much detail with us as he had with you, though.

And then we talked about what do we do about this, and how do we get this out?

And does Dean go to the grand jury, or do we do other things as an iron office?

And this had been discussed earlier, the thought of Dean going to the grand jury or... And then Dean started, at that point, raising the point that he could go with immunity.

And that if he were given immunity and went to the grand jury, nobody else would be involved because nobody else in the White House was involved.

And in fact, he said, yes, but he said he was, and that he, therefore, had a problem.

So he could be given... His equal plan at that point was, won't hurt anybody else if I go in and tell the truth.

given immunity, then I'm safe.

And it doesn't hurt anybody in the White House because they're all safe.

He said, there's a possible problem.

And he was trying to be objective, I think, about it at that point.

There's a possible problem.

You know, with Brogan being tied in on the Kambach thing and Haldeman being tied in on the 350.

But he saw that as a circumstantial change and didn't have a linkage.

And he agreed at that time that it didn't link.

In other words, that Haldeman's interest was taking the 350 over the committee, not in paying along to Kermit's.

But then he changed his tune as he got up on his mountain at your instruction.

And at that point, it was like it would take him a couple of days to write up a full report.

That's right.

The key thing is, we did not tell Dean, look, go have a meeting tomorrow and raise the money for business.

Oh, no.

That was a very minor thing in this meeting.

It came up a couple of times in the meeting.

But it was not the subject of the meeting.

It was an example.

Or before

He didn't understand what he was talking about, so I needed to, uh, my point is, it's such a time of work, and then I was critically remembering the time.

First, it's wrong.

Second, it won't work.

That's our, I mean, this sort of thing.

Then I said, I want you to sit down and tell them everything, and then let's get something here to get this, get this out.

Because we can't get into a, if there's blackmail going on, that's not something we can tolerate.

Because I said, I was beating him very hard on that.

Remember, he said, that is blackmail.

Yeah, that could be our defense.

Yeah.

And the president can't be in a position to defend him.

I mean, it's on the baseline.

But Dean had several of the other teams in the process of this.

I wonder if he's putting the story, but he's not.

The president is a common prosecutor and so forth.

Could be.

Could be, but see, the prosecutors have a little problem with Dean too.

Yeah.

Susanna in the Grand Jury office.

Jack Anderson's got it.

But let me say, I'd be very interested to see if you're running, could run over and take a look at your... Is that number 15?

I, there's something funny about that.

Maybe not funny, but maybe...

I don't know.

Are you going to find it?

I'll tell you what I think is possible is that it wasn't there and then somehow Dean figured out how to get it written into the log.

He got the sheet from them and found out there wasn't a B.

I decided this was a useful thing to use and got it written back in.

My God.

And this thing is so weird that I don't just have any possibility.

Well, let me tell you this, Doc.

First, check your files.

You make notes of every meeting, Bob.

You always, you get me sitting in here with Dean, too, to make notes.

I always hear things, Doc.

Yes, sir.

I can't imagine the prosecutor, and if you get a special prosecutor, it's worth a damn.

I can't imagine that the first thing he's going to do is say, for Christ's sake, turn off this Senate business for all you get with the prosecution.

Because you're going to sink any chance of any kind of a trial.

If I've been up there babbling on television, how the hell can I have a fair trial?

Or if Dean's been up there babbling on television, how can I have a fair trial?

There's no rules of evidence there.

There's no challenge.

You can't keep the jurors from looking at the television.

Of course not.

Now, if you ever see a jury, just challenge every jury.

Did you watch the Senate hearings on television?

There's a lot that most people won't watch.

Well, let's see some of them.

Well, you should feel good about it.

It's basically a mature, strong man who knows the whole goddamn thing.

Bucks me up because, you know,

in the house, they live in the house.

And you know, you know, like they're all their friends.

Yeah, I'm sure you do.

And now you feel it.

You feel it well.

You're a part of them all.

He said, let's see if you can just go out and talk just about this like you did last night.

Do it about every five, six days.

And he said, because he's seen it.

He had all of us.

And he said, well, you always seem almost very curious.

And he said, yeah, it's nice.

And he said, for you, it's better to run.

And he was the one that said, you've got two on television.

I said, well, here it is.

I'm sorry.

I said, well, let's hear about it.

And he said, it's like a mouse.

I mean, I really think our performance, our performance has been shameful.

Our performance has been a total lack of accountability.

This is shameful.

The press statement is shameful.

Even the Washington Post, whose commentary column today is jumping on, it's a minor thing, but it's jumping on the stakeout business.

full spectacle of an entire set of network news people chasing me down an alley on the way out of church on Sunday in order to try and get comments from me, which they did.

And then they ran it on the news.

And I come out way ahead on that kind of stuff because I take it very calmly and I just say, Connie, I'm sorry, but we're on our way to church and I have nothing to say.

Well, let me say this.

I was going to say to you that

Yeah.

And Hansberg, whatever his name was, this guy was all right.

You see, he said, he is a pretty good guy on our side.

And I told him, Mr. Baskin, what's our opinion of him?

And he said to me, if you own the whole thing, the papers, because Bob's taking them out.

And just, and he said, he said there, also his lawyer said there was something very apparently in one piece of paper.

His lawyer waited for him.

He said, well, he said, if that ever gets in there,

public record, like we had, and even the president had to run that on the street.

So I thought, what in the name of Christ is this lawyer talking about lawyers and talking to even these guys about, you know, and it scared me out of my mouth.

I said, Jesus, I know what you've got to know, but we've got to, you've got to tell everybody everything that's, you know, that Bob has here or something.

He's got something that we don't, you know, and, you know, he puts me in a hell of a position.

I'll tell Bazar what he needs to know and what the lawyer is doing.

The other two lawyers went in there and turned their hands in the state of the Senate.

We have determined now that it is impractical to maintain executive privilege.

Therefore, all executive privileges are yours.

The answer, however, is expected.

And so, what being a good trial lawyer, what Old Man Wilson decided to do is he decided to scare the shit out of them.

He probably weighed a piece of paper and said, if I showed you this, it would scare the pants off of you.

He doesn't have any iron or something.

In 2060, he does have, as I told you, he's got an ironing instruction of the Dean phone call lane, which does have a lot of problems in it.

But it's only one step in Dean's process of ironing this thing out.

The point is, any one of those things,

or little pieces out of any of those things can be very harmful.

Because maybe he talked there of, what did he talk about?

He talked about the black male business, and you know, he was recapping that, he was recapping the, but not you.

It was not harmful to you in this case.

He wasn't at that point trying to get at me.

What he was trying to do was build his own case to defend himself.

involved scaring John and me enough that we would side with him.

And when that didn't work, he decided to scare you into siding with him.

And he hasn't said very well, really, last night at work, and the fact that he appeared over the window.

It's good to have somebody just sit there and say something like that.

Well, you've got to do that, and you've got, I don't feel you've got a problem with it.

I don't, I think Al,

I'm surprised that he got quite that excited.

Well, I'll tell you, it's hard though.

I sat in there for four years, and all these little ships come running in, screaming, the sky is falling all the time.

And it's hard to sit there and hear something and not react to it.

Now, it's gotta work to do that.

Now, how it does, you know, he used to come in once in a while and talk about energy problems.

And I don't feel a little disturbed in that.

But that's why I'm gonna have to take more time to look at myself now every once in a while.

You take as little of it as you can, and when you, to the degree that you do take it, you cannot react to it, really.

What you did for Senator Whitehall, you know, I don't know about you, but you didn't want to sign for it.

Not that that, like, slow made you scream, but it wasn't just the Grover, and it wasn't the, except for these goddamn senators and congressmen who said, you know, they just, they're always, they just admire enthusiasm.

Our leaders are really the stars.

It's unbelievable, isn't it?

Yep.

And tenants is kind of blessing works like hell, but just enthusiasm is amazing.

It's fucking crazy.

It's energizing.

How do we do that?

The Congress is always a problem.

Anybody can say it.

So we've got so basically it's that kind of people I can't let down exactly.

If John Dean goes on the stand and says to the President, if I knew all about this whole thing in the beginning, which I didn't, or if he says on September 15th, whatever you like, on that day I told him that we're paying off the queues or something like that, we've got to fight this on the bench to the death.

Understand?

Yeah.

I don't remember the conversation.

And you don't remember the conversation.

I sure don't.

I don't remember the fact of the meeting.

Now, I did remember the 21st meeting.

You know, when Hope and I talked about it, and you reconstructed it, it rang a lot of bells for me.

The only holy memory I had on that was I was absolutely convinced it was in the late part of the day, but it wasn't.

It was in the morning.

Certainly, I don't think he may have screwed me.

That's what I'm hearing.

I don't think he did.

And the CIA now saying that

He authorized giving the stuff to Hunt, which I think he has a letter from Cushman saying that he did.

Because Cushman, you know, first we called it early.

We called it early.

We called it back.

He said, you know, when did I call you, Cushman?

So I don't know that it was you.

Someone called me.

Who do you think it called, Crow?

Probably him.

Crow probably has something.

Probably has.

I think he has.

Or that Hunt called himself.

Hunt made, see, that's what they say is Hunt called and represented that he was working on Erland's authority.

Now that's, I'm sure, the story.

We've got the camera.

Yeah, I've got other stuff, you know, I've got disguises and all that stuff.

I've heard of it in the whole C.O.A.

I've heard of it, the story as I understand it was that

Kushman called him after this event going on and said, we've got all this going on, we can't keep on doing this.

And John said, you're absolutely right, we shouldn't be.

And Kushman then said, well, you are the right person.

And John said, I don't believe I did, Bob.

And Kushman said, well, you called me.

John said, no, I don't think so.

Kushman said, well, somebody called me.

It wasn't you.

And then John said, well, I wish you'd clear that up.

And Kushman later, I think,

And I just require any misunderstanding.

I do not.

No matter how long ago, I think several months ago, a number of weeks ago, before all this became public.

I don't think people give a shit about it.

I don't really think they care.

I don't think they care about bugging Ulster.

I mean, about running into the site managers.

I really think they give a shit.

I don't think they care much about bugging the hot damn Pentagon.

I mean, the bugging, I think the cover-up deal is a problem in the instruction of justice.

It's a problem in the sense that it looks like we're trying to, we don't mean, we're not carrying out the law, so to speak.

That is a problem.

That's because of, you can confess to a banker, I can certainly, you shouldn't at all, but I can confess to a certain degree of, in that I didn't,

I didn't vigorously pursue it, but I was hired here as a vigorous pursuer of law.

I tried to start here to keep the goddamn joint running.

As a matter of fact, as a matter of fact, too, I was a lawyer.

I had a good introduction because it never occurred to me when I heard about the payments for these defendants.

It happened to me.

It didn't occur to me that it was wrong.

And not at all.

administrative officer here in the White House, is that this man was the counsel of the president.

This man was our legal man.

And when the legal, when a lawyer comes and tells me this is what should be done now, and he's the man in charge of the case, then for Christ's sake, I do it.

How the hell do I know?

I don't know a goddamn thing about law.

No, sir.

That's right.

Well, I said that

John Dean worked out the ways and means of doing it.

I told my man to work with John Dean and John Dean .

That's right.

Which was fine with me.

That's right.

And at no time did he .

He is a lawyer.

He was advising me.

Not only advising me, but he was the agent that did the things.

He instructed Sean where to take the money and how much to deliver at what time.

I didn't.

I didn't know that until the fact how it was delivered.

And didn't care.

All I wanted was the money back.

And I was turning to the lawyer to work out the legal means of getting the money.

Turned over to the committee.

And that's how he said to do it.

So that's how it was done.

And no time in that process did that lawyer ever say to me, there is some question about the legality of this, but we'll do it anyway.

Or, this is illegal, but I'll work it out.

Or anything.

I was never given any kind of a caveat at all that this was wrong.

Well, they might have let me say why this is so important to you, Wilson.

Well, that was the answer.

Your intent, you can't be accused of an illegal intent if you didn't know something was illegal.

That's right.

Unless they could say your intent was to shut them up.

But he didn't say that's what they wanted him for.

No, sir.

And it was not my intent.

Yeah, it was your intent.

I thought they were going to talk, and I didn't care if they did.

Well, the part was that the campaign was over.

That's right.

I knew I knew nothing about the Watergate.

I knew you knew nothing about the Watergate.

And I was told by Dean, on whom I was relying, that nobody else in the White House knew anything about the Watergate.

I knew that somebody in the committee did.

Because obviously someone had to do it.

I didn't know how high up it went.

I had some ideas.

But I wasn't privileged to discuss those ideas with somebody because I might have been wrong.

And I still think I probably am wrong.

I still don't think I know what really did happen there.

I don't know what Dean's involvement was now, the more I see it is.

All right?

In all of that, what do I do?

I turn to the lawyer and say, what is the proper thing to do?

How can we get this out?

My interest is the political interest, the public relations interest, the point that this is a political problem in terms of news stories that are spec stories that are coming out that are harmful.

How do we deal with these?

I asked the lawyer.

Ziegler does the same thing.

Ziegler goes out there day after day and says, nobody in the White House was involved.

Every time he did that, before he went out, he said to John Dean, am I correct today in saying nobody in the White House was involved?

You ask Ron, go on out and say it.

That's the fact.

And we believed it to be the fact.

And that's something we've got to do.

You've got to remember, even before the public hearing, Dean continues to play this game, playing it on the press.

You may have to.

I don't know.

I don't know what you meant by that.

The lawyer's still a man.

Your strategies have to be worked out.

Just knock his goddamn brains off.

We're owning that as a possibility.

We may decide to go on television yet and do the thing or something like that, too.

Really?

Yeah.

I mean, we're still looking at the range of what ought to be done.

Do you have anybody in the field that would be inviting, that would respect the yard area?

No, ma'am.

Oh, well, I think we've got to use your judgment.

Use our own judgment, plus the, uh... We'll check in here.

Well, you don't need one.

I'm sure you know our guy that could help us come.

I got him as a special advisor.

Oh, I mean, he's around.

And I knew that he was trustworthy.

Okay.

Oh, yeah.

Well, sure.

I mean, what I meant is...

I think he's probably running.

He's also a judge.

Sounds pretty explosive.

Yeah, but that's not all that.

Well, I think you should be moving with complete confidence in this.

I know that's hard to do because of all the shit that hits every day.

other pile of shit in here, and, you know, don't get excited about it.

Read through it, and then coolly and coolly dissect it.

And I do, I underline, and I go back and work back on the facts on it each day, and I satisfy myself that it's a bunch of shit, which it is, every day.

And if you look at it that way, instead of doing it anyway, it's like, you know, Jesus, what do we do now?

You see what the New York Times said today, and you see that curve of the day, you see that curve yesterday, yesterday,

True.

You can't worry about it.

We've got to get the legal base laid, and then we've got to get the political base laid, and then we've got to get the public base laid, and it can be done.

You'll laugh at me.

Yes, sir.

I sure as hell did.

Chancellor's lying, of course, was that this is so much bigger than Teapot Dome.

Son of a bitch.

You think of Teapot Dome, and the millions and millions that were stolen and all that.

Right.

That's the way he makes it bigger.

He runs through this litany of all the people who have had to resign as a result of this.

And that's the...

But that, someday, we've got to get back and make the point they have to resign, not because they've done anything wrong, but because of the ignorance.

Well, of course.

You're talking about the goddamn media.

That's right.

The media, of course.

And we, I think we've got to admit it, we've got to say the media had a monumental victory, temporary, on this.

And they did.

They did.

One of the things they wanted me to do, and they succeeded.

They got some of us out that could have been helpful to them.

Well, they also wanted to destroy them.

But the main thing is that there's all this crap about, you know, the president.

Don't even, let's not even ever read such.

That's right.

Don't you agree?

Yes, sir.

Absolutely.

I can't do it.

Let me, so this is why.

I don't care what comes.

What kind of charges are made and all that sort of thing.

We were elected and had a job to do.

And frankly, I can't do it.

I can't do what I can do right now.

I just can't do it.

There's no question.

And also, if I walk out of this office, on this chicken shed stuff,

marketing, marketing.

It's unbelievable.

I can see how tempting it can be in the short haul.

I look at it and say, I can go down and keep a skein of fish, but no, you can't do it.

But the other thing is, the other big part of it, if they ever want to get up to the impeachment, fine, fine.

They won't show up.

They're not going to get a majority vote in the House, which they'd have to have at my point.

And we must remember that the impeachment is not new for me.

Certainly for some of these clowns, the adjuncts and McCloskey and so forth, they'll be secretaries.

Because basically, I don't care what was said there.

The only thing that was said is what he said.