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There's no one straight solid Watergate story today that the New York Times has deemed having been involved in stimulating undercover activities.

That is not, but that doesn't reflect here.

The other is Dean's statement again to Newsweek that he had not prepared a report.

I saw that, didn't I?

Can I tell you about that?

That didn't want to be shot.

Well, but the thing of, the point he makes is that he was a strong, early report.

And I would never have said unless they'd had an admin.

Oh yeah, it's all the way true.

But the point of it is, you see,

It's not a reflection that goes to you so much as it is to John and Bob, I think.

So we've got to be cautious on this.

I'm talking about something.

He does not deny, if you read the Newsweek story carefully and all the other reports, he does not say that he did not comply that an investigation had been undertaken.

And if we go out, you see, and say there wasn't any reporters,

In other words, his point is that he was surprised when you said it.

But he does not say that he did not, over a period of time, imply on his own that there had been indeed an investigation, which he did over and over and over and over to so many people.

So I have to back around you where you put that on.

Yes, sir.

Why, if there was not a being in the world, why wasn't he here?

He's sitting up early.

See, he's sitting up early.

probably knows, and this is a fact in looking at the records, that Ehrlichman gave Buchanan, and to me, the guidance that we gave you in that report, we've gone back and looked at the memos, according to John Ehrlichman and John Ingram, all over the investigation.

And if you look at subsequent briefing books, all of those briefing questions, which I think John has provided,

Now, Dean also told Warren on two occasions that earlier he asked him to look into the matter shortly after Adam.

Now, the time to move on that is something that I want to talk to Mozart and Haig about

What I've been doing on a background basis to guys is saying, there's no dean investigation.

He fooled half of the White House and 95% of them.

And what right did he have to have all the FBI report?

Well, that's another issue.

What right did he have to sit in on all of the meetings of 85 White House campuses?

And then he reported it.

And he says, I didn't ask you for a report on those issues.

Starting in February of 27th and 28th, when we started reading, you know, these numbers, that's all we were talking about.

How do we get out of this goddamn story?

How do we get out of this?

And that's the way we set the campaign.

Well, that's March 31st.

I mean, March 22nd.

I see that he's breaking the shore thing.

Of course, that was something where we were .

The crappy thing.

Didn't .

I heard back about protecting the onboarding.

Could have been a job, anything else.

I mean, he would just give us .

I'm not worried about the shore.

I don't even know.

You know, one of the things about his resignation, he sort of got that little, that's very, where he says, where he says, he said, I said, they told me, he doesn't, and also when I said, they told me, they told me,

But that was not in Lawrence.

It was in April.

This is all April.

It was on April the 13th.

No, it was April.

No, it was April after.

No, it was after.

It was after the Sunday that my niece came over.

It was just before the 17th speech.

I mean, the 17th.

That's right.

It was my morning session.

And it was a very important one.

I said, look, and you have now indicated that you, you know, we're all in this together.

You know what I mean?

I said, you know what I mean?

And now I didn't.

Basically, the critical question is this.

You cannot keep anybody on the staff who commands the immunity of the price of drugs.

You were told in the early, per se, we were not involved.

He said he was.

That's all I want to say.

But he hadn't said it to me yet.

He hadn't said it to me.

I said, well, that's where I got into this whole business with Peterson.

You see?

I said, well, now can I take it?

So I said we would treat you all three the same.

That's the way that happened.

Well, I think that's all.

It seems to me that Dean is sort of dribbling out his crap.

But he appears to be very cool.

No, there are several sources as to what Gray said.

Gray appeared before the grand jury and Gray appeared before the urban committee staff.

And the sources reporting on those interviews vary.

Buzzard feels that he has the accurate line that Gray took.

And the line that Gray took was that you called him.

And in the course of that conversation, he indicated that he was concerned.

And you said, proceed aggressively with your investigation.

That's exactly right.

That, I think, is the line that Gray is taking.

Now, there's a new development also, but this is where the very new stories come, where FBI people say that they warned Gray that the White House or individuals in the White House were attempting to divert the investigation, and that Gray did nothing about that, which puts Gray in an awkward position.

As this thing breaks out, well, excuse me.

As this thing, it seems to me, and I'm meeting again a new elected candidate who's also assessing all of this.

It comes down to the gray situation, which is combined with the FBI thing.

We have the mean report letter.

And we have the impression.

Those are the two key factors that we're up against.

But the FBI basically had its hands tied, which is part of the net where the business with Walters comes in, the CIA, whether or not they were behind it.

That's not even public, and I don't know if that will come up.

That wouldn't be very much.

That's what we'll call the bad routine.

Go ahead, the other one.

And then finally, the point of the did the president know are the three major factors.

Did the president know about it?

In other words, the general proposition did the president know about this.

Well, let's start with the last point.

Nobody is suggesting the president is on Watergate.

No.

Nobody is suggesting that?

No.

I don't think.

Or are they?

No.

But the whole situation has come to a point now where it is referred to as the Watergate scandal or the Watergate matter.

And no one understands one damn bit about what happened here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, fair enough, fair enough.

So the question is, it comes down to, did the President- Well, did the President know it's a goddamn hard thing to answer?

Due to the fact, due to the fact that basically, Ron, I think you'll have to assume that John and Bob probably had more information.

I was aware, you know what I mean?

Of course information came into that, came into that.

And nobody, it's hard for people to believe that I, you know, that I didn't.

Now, who could have informed me?

Gray didn't inform me, and Dean didn't inform me.

That's the whole point.

Bob and John didn't inform me.

So, but getting back to this, you know, how the hell he didn't inform me.

I think you just have to live with it.

I don't think that we did.

No.

No, no, no, no.

I don't think we have to live with it at all.

You don't?

You're not that pessimistic about it?

No.

It seems to me that they just want to admit it.

They know that you want to imply that so much.

I'll let them imply it.

They're going to.

And that's the way they're going to be.

I don't think Ray will ever say that.

Ray will never say that.

I'm not so sure Dean will.

See, what do you mean by that?

He says there was something important.

But the other thing is, he's very proud of that March 21st day when he came in and made his famous speech, you know, about the cancer and how it progresses.

That's my friend.

Thank God that we've got that date mailed.

And everyone knows that.

That's when we started the investigation.

And that is the honest of God.

But even at that time, his culpability, as far as I'm aware of, was not brought out.

No.

He had covered his...

No, no, no, he didn't tell me he hates the part of the predator.

He didn't tell me that he, on the cover-up, he only indicated that he became aware of the fact that others were trying to cover up and that there was a case of peddling in this place.

As a matter of fact, quite frankly, my impression was, during that period when he began to see you alone, was that he had something on Bob and John.

You know, during that period.

He didn't indicate so.

No, I know that.

I understand that.

He never indicated that the march on 31st, any indication, but total support of Bobbie Johnswell as the president, and said, how the hell did we get the White House separated from this whole thing?

He said, the White House is not involved.

He did implode.

The Magruder was.

I believe, you know, March 31st.

And even then, even then, he didn't make a frontal assault.

Until April.

Because he didn't make a frontal assault.

Because otherwise, why in the hell would Bob and John, he's been calling hard.

Bob at least called him to campaign all the time for Christ's sake.

He said, if it's March 31st, he said, don't call him to this, don't call him to this goddamn thing.

We have done that.

March 31st, you might have mentioned the transfer of the money.

Was it?

No.

But that didn't apply anything on Bob.

I don't know what else he did.

But that was the first time.

That was the first time.

A long time.

If he had information and he knew, why in Christ didn't he tell me?

For me.

Now, he can say that, but that's the way our staff operates.

Why didn't he tell her that?

Well, I didn't grab him.

You see, that's why I want to wait here.

I think it's right to wait, to let these guys.

We can't take any more heat than we're taking now anyway.

We're out to respond to these things.

But if we let these guys go out a little bit more, then that leaves us the option to say, why didn't he tell the president?

Well, or the FBI.

Why didn't he tell the FBI?

Why didn't Gray tell the president?

I remembered calling Gray about that phone call.

I said, Pat, did you extend the FBI or tell the president that we should broaden the FBI investigation?

He said, absolutely not.

When was this?

I forget now, but it was sometime when the story broke, I think probably in February or something.

There were rumors out that he had told you that he

felt the FBI investigation should, no, that he had restarted the FBI investigation.

No, what he had told me basically was, he said some of the people here, he says, you know, I'm worried about this Watergate thing.

I said, I don't think some of the people are, you know, it goes higher up.

I don't even remember the name of the conversation.

It was the tale of the end.

And I said, well, carry it wherever it leads.

I said, you know, do your job.

That's what I said in the fact that

And I mentioned to him, I haven't mentioned to him, but we talked to Walter, and we said to Walter, and we mentioned to him, the CIA, and that was all.

That was a total conversation.

So, Gray, on the other hand, it's a curiosity, and I'm probably, he probably had been in a very far-reaching investigation, but under a very tight rein of a knee, and I think that's what happened.

I don't think he would ever have suppressed it.

I don't think so.

And when you called, you called, right?

That's very interesting.

The little hand.

Oh, I hope you told him it was our dad.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, I'm going to get together with him.

And when you called, Greg, you said, I forget what the exact circumstances were.

It's all recorded in briefing, and I recall that this morning when I saw this.

I talked to Gray, and I said, did you, there was a news story that he had told you that the investigation should be re-opened for fraud.

And I said, did you tell that to the president?

He said, absolutely not.

And then I went out in the briefing and responded to that.

Now, oh, oh, oh, that wasn't recurring in the telephone call.

No, no, no, it was, it was after that, yeah.

That was when he had told you the re-opening fraud, right?

Yeah.

Listen, Pat Ray, I never talked to him, to Watergate, except at one time.

And when he came in for his confirmation thing, he didn't mention Watergate.

He said, we have a fine record here.

I asked him about it.

And I said, we have a hell of a record.

Honest to God, Ron.

I really think around here, sure, we didn't want anybody caught more than me.

It was impossible.

I didn't want Bob or Dean.

Not that one.

It wasn't until the 31st or so that I realized Dean was so deeply involved in something.

You know, it was in March that we were still wondering and had a doubt about whether or not we were going to have a chamber involved.

I remember discussions around here as late as March and April.

That's what the focus was.

Well, there was always a Grutter Convention when we voted.

We thought it was a Grutter Convention business.

amazing approval and the rest of it.

We dreamed that all of them, early on, or not all of them, Dean, for example, knew as much as he knew.

And I'm sure they were trying to just limit the damage.

But God, I mean, it's hard to believe it.

But when you got down and did the president know, I don't think there's anything he could do about it or on it.

I guess that's right.

Well, I'm not sure.

I don't know about this, but I think the president has a very good case here.

And this is something that we're going to have to start thinking about.

And I told this to Mozart yesterday.

You look at even some of the steps that apparently were taken by individuals to a great concern about these MPI files.

I'm not talking about opening the files up now.

I'm just talking about a phenomenon that has developed here.

Let's say Dean moved along and he was concerned about, or someone was concerned about Hunt and Liddy.

Why were they concerned about Hunt and Liddy?

Because they conducted the Plumbers Operation.

What was the Plumbers Operation?

The Plumbers Operation was basically insignificant junk.

Now, because of the fear for people to cover their rear on some pretty stupid decisions relating to the Plumbers Operation, which got underway at a presidential direction to find out what the

a psychiatrist on this, but a legitimate direction.

As things came along, and as the Watergate thing broke, then guys apparently set out to cover their rear, as I say, apparently, and led us deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper into cover-up activities.

Now, why should the president pay the penalty for this is the question, because there were actions taken as your direction,

to carry out of those directions is where the adjunct took place, you see.

We have to realize that I ordered the, and I would have done it again, and we'll do it again.

I said we've got to find the leaks.

Everything was done, but I had the slightest idea how the problem was.

The point I'm making is that everything was done.

at least this is what Buzz Hart tells me, in terms of binding the lease was done legally.

I think so.

Now, what Hunt and Libby did in terms of Krogh's direction, and he's taking heat on this, and that's the way it was, on that Pentagon Papers thing, was something that you can't take the responsibility

Now, well, there are two aspects.

Ellsberg's phone was never tapped or something.

The only thing that they did for some unbelievable, just unbelievable reason, they wanted to get into Ellsberg's subconscious.

Why?

I don't know.

Were they, you know, looking for evidence for the defense of Ellsberg?

But you see my point, Mr. President, and this is something that has to be thought out, not by you, but by folks like others.

If there was concern about hunt living,

was concerned about these other activities.

And I can fully see a guy coming in here and say, well, there may be some CIA stuff involved in that.

And you said, well, you know, that probably didn't even happen either.

That didn't happen either, Ron.

The CIA, the reason we got Walters, let me say this, I told him,

I said, if we were trying to fake a CIA cover-up, do you think that Haldeman would have called Dick Helms?

Dick Helms was known to be a, you know,

Who would have the motive to create the impression there was CIA involvement?

I love him.

I love him very much.

He's a good man.

But who would have the motive?

The guy who picked up the phone initially and asked for CIA support of Hunt and the interoperations, was he John Early?

Now, having known that, he could have very well said to you that there's CIA involvement, perhaps involved in this.

Which would have led to the, your impression that there was.

John, we're not sure if he picked up the phone.

Hell no.

I'm told that there's facts available that make it damn clear that John picked up the phone and asked for CIA support.

I'm going to want to get a break in on the Elspeth investigation.

You mean for the wake?

No, I didn't ask specifically for it.

and a wig and a cap and so forth, but he asked

Hunt and Liddy were hired to work on the committee.

People forgot about Hunt and Liddy.

Hunt and Liddy then are arrested in the Watergate thing.

That flags this action over here in an individual's mind.

That individual who was associated with Hunt and Liddy or felt he was associated in getting and moving into something that turned out, as we found in 72, or the guy probably had in mind in 72, did something where judgment was lacking.

had a motivation not to have Hunt and Liddy questioned too intensively by the FBI.

Why?

Because if he was questioned too intensively by the FBI, it might reflect negatively on the individual who got him started.

That is why that individual would have had the motivation to say, well, they might be some CIA people involved in this.

Therefore, you call Dick Helms, and they call Dick Helms,

owners who described it as being a goddamn thing.

and asked the CIA to first put the buggers onto their payroll, second, to pick up their attorney's fees, third, to pay for their support.

Walters refused.

Walters said, I will not do it unless I get something.

Sure.

But basically, the old story of John and Bob left.

You know, everybody assumed I knew everything they did.

But even Bob, even told me.

And frankly, did he know?

I read it out.

I got to be prepared for the hell of a lot.

Now, the truth is strange in the fiction here, actually.

The truth is that people around the line are going to lie.

So take your coles and run that by me.

perhaps be more concerned about how we do the job, and the big things that they are, and how we handle this chicken shit thing.

No, I agree, I agree.

So you see, I just don't know if you could, I don't know if you could ever turn the other thing up.

Like, that would be important.

Sure.

The resignation, did the president know?

Did he know who I was?

I don't remember.

Did he know the CIA?

Even that would be a long time.

Tom had us on the race plan board and we heard Tom.

We put her in the park.

by what he does, and I think that's not what we need.

Well, I think very definitely that's the best I can do.

So what I've had is you and Patton sit down and have a talk and so forth.

No, no, no.

Maybe you'll come up with something.

No, I don't mean you're going to be obsessed, but you should.

You've got to get some plans.

What the hell do you need to do?

Well, I'm the president of the whole thing.

My view is several-fold.

Number one, I do not.

Dean was probably a bad apple in this thing.

Maybe not as bad an apple as I'm talking just inside this room, as we may have to prove.

But I do know this, just like your reference to the close and clemency thing in terms of a series of events where people can claim to run by the president.

No one can.

Well, my point, I think, is that the best strategy to deal with all of this is doing what you're doing now, to move ahead with the operations of the White House and so forth, but not giving up on the thinking.

Not that you should do the thinking, but we should not give up on the thinking.

of the ongoing operations of the White House, the President clearly demonstrated, helps move against that in the public opinion.

But I think somewhere in all of this we can find a formula to deal with all of this humanities innuendo and type story that is coming out here.

We'll have to sit and take it.

We're doing that now.

We're moving with the operation.

We'll be right back.

I've ever been in here before saying, Mr. President, that's right in Florida, saying, Mr. President, I can't block my express confidence in this guy.

There's a way to move some languages.

I think through March and into April, we have allowed perhaps this matter to become more complex than what it really is.

Now, I am totally convinced also

Why the hell did he tell you to tell Bobby Johnson?

Because Bobby Johnson told the lady

Why do you think it's a big thing?

I'll bet it's a big thing.

Forty-three pages of its own.

Forty-three pages.

down.

It's not very pure for someone to be thinking in those terms.

reform, which is going to be a good play.

I guess I did.

Come see me.

Now I remember that day, that was on Monday morning, yesterday.

It was frankly early, it was 1 in the morning.

I said, can I bring him in?

I did it for the nation.

After the Sunday, you know, he had gone to the Yosemite.

The Yosemite had told me that he had heard a Yosemite guest and said that I ought to have him.

Curious thing, Peterson was in a deep spot, too, because he said all the nursing orders are never mentioned.

I said, where do you get this?

And then I began bringing it out, and he didn't.

Turns out he had gotten it from Dean, and recruited me.

You see, Dean had a lot on Peterson.

Peterson was C-Rod.

Well, we're going to have to move our plastic, so it's way over here.

It doesn't work well on that, because he'll get hit.

step up to the thing and give every answer to re-anticipation.

Because if he goes out with a statement in this great period and then we're hit over here, how do you gain nothing?

You agree with that?

We want to remember that it's very much in our interest not to have the White House comment on the Russell Mills thing.

They all say this to me because the director has commented upon that.

And we have nothing further to add here.

Now, whether you can get away with that, I don't know, but that's the way I want to do it.

That's it.

Excuse me, I have to get out of my gown.

Ron had made a statement earlier that there were no news from the tenant.

I didn't know.

You did?

We had, there was a recommendation made on the Mars bipartisan meeting to spice it up a bit with some ex-presidential candidates, but- No sir, no sir.

I think it might be helpful to go ahead with another candidate.

And we were thinking it would be helpful for you to go out on Saturday, which is our unfortunate day.

Right.

Go down to Norfolk and give a defense-oriented speech, which will help us with the project problem on the Hill and sense of responsibility for Peaches Street.

All right.

It's a volunteer thing.

All right.

Norfolk's the best place we can come in.

Well, it is.

We've had two.

There was a west coast possibility, but it looks... Too far?

Too far.

We can get a good flight in Norfolk.

Okay.

Norfolk's pretty amazing.

The ships in the background.

Right.

Well, at least it'll give us a fair flight.

Fine.

We'll do it.

I'm going to get you running the speech.

That's very good, Ron.

Remember, I asked you whether you decided or didn't get anybody who could understand it.

And I was afraid you had said there had not been any.

Because I remember saying that there had been security wiretaps several times at my press conferences.

So what the hell do those men have?

They inevitably are in there because that's where the goddamn stuff leaks out.

Exactly.

And you've got to get that in a right, right way.

I'm going to.

I've got to, Dan.

This is uh, these things were approved by the, by the N.B.A.

Did Ruppelstiltskin raise this with you?

No, but the Bazaar did.

Well, why don't you tell the Bazaar then?

Okay.

The Bazaar cleaned up.

Fair enough?

Yes, sir.

Okay.

That's great at all.

Yeah, we've uh, we've got a couple of legislative problems.

Where is it, sir?

Where is it?

You know, sir, this thing of getting the staff cleared, uh, members of your staff, you know, Schultz and Kissinger, folks, it's unlike the idea of having the chairman of the CIEP and Kissinger and other people go up for, uh... No.

...confirmation.

Do you promise that?

No, sir.

It's wrong.

No.

It runs counter to everything.

It weakens the strength of the presidency.

Right.

It weakens the capital.

No, the thing to do is to tell them that, no, we will not do that.

Will the very, very forthcoming rules regarding the committee under informal circumstances?

I think the way to solve this, quite frankly, is on the OMB guy.

We've taken the position.

You mean you'd give him that, give him to him?

Modifying their bill.

We'd veto their current bill and go back with one of which would permit him alone.

That'll put the issue to rest.

We'd really...

No, sir.

No, this is a Senate bill.

No.

That's right.

We'll veto.

But we've got to put the issue to rest because we've got...

They've got to see that this is one of the art of the possible.

And we can kill it nicely and it doesn't affect the economy.

Would it affect, for example, I should be empty?

What would it be?

It's huge to be full.

Actually, I don't mind if they extend it anyway.

That's the way to do it.

But I'm not going to submit to anybody but the director for what would be.

You should be there for the cabinet.

Exactly.

I don't want to get the shelves to kiss you.

We also have a problem on energy in which we're looking at very carefully.

We've got to get a way to get a broader sharing of responsibility for energy policies.

We're going to end up at the end of the summer having a problem.

So that it isn't just the President who's involved here.

But we're going to get some options on that and we'll have something for you.

Do you want to work on this or is this sort of an approach or do you want to keep it all there?

No, I'm anxious for it.

I don't know the most personal view, but I'll talk to Ash.

He's definitely thinking about it.

Yeah.

He thinks so too.

We'll all take the key.

And we'll still keep control.

Well, let's get the Congress in it, get the cabinet in it, get the public varsity library in it.

Why?

It's a public ministry.

That's right.

Now, third thing is, I'm currently sure,

I'm going to ask for a trucking paper for you.

Yes.

If you want to meet with him.

Oh yes, I must be.

Yeah, I think you probably should as the first launch of his activity tomorrow.

Right.

I'm going to have to wait until then tomorrow unless I tell him to come into the stock parts meeting if he wants.

I'd have to ask him to come.

No, he shouldn't come to that.

I don't think so.

No, no, no, he shouldn't come to that.

That's over the line.

Right.

So, uh...

We'll have that for you.

It's a fairly good manual.

I'm going to get it on the end of every presidential act.

I've got to run the staff office, but we'll bring him in and give him, as you were suggesting, give him four or five different things where he works on them.

Then we'll use him as a wild card on some very important things, too.

But, for example, on the energy thing, that might sure end up in the land.

Absolutely.

So why don't we try to have him set up for maybe tomorrow afternoon at 3 o'clock.

Good.

That'd be pretty helpful.

There are two long-term things that we ought to think about in terms of your activity.

I meant one as a commencement address.

The only service academy I've been to is the Naval Academy.

We put, I remember, June 6th's address in here.

We should consider that.

It's a good opportunity.

Yeah.

I'm gonna be late on it, buddy.

And we were thinking it would be helpful for you to go out on Saturday, which is our unfortunate day, go down to Norfolk and give a...

which will help us with the budget problem on the hill and sense of responsibility for peace in the stream.

All right.

It's a lot of volunteer things.

All right.

Norfolk, is that where the rest of it is?

No, it is.

We've had two.

It's done with the West Coast possibility, but it looks... We've never gotten through.

Too far.

We can get a good plan in Norfolk.

Okay.

Norfolk's good.

The ships in the background and...

That's very good, Ron.

Remember, I asked you whether you said there had been anybody who knew this man.

And I was afraid you had said there had not been any.

Because I remember saying that there had been.

I'm going to.

I've got it down here.

You know, we've, uh... We've got a couple of legislative problems, and... One, I just thought I'd let it happen.

You know, sir, this thing of getting the staff cleared, uh... Members of your staff, you know, showed some Kissinger votes.

So I'd like you to give me an idea, as the chairman of the CIEP, and Kissinger, and other people who are looking for, uh... No.

No confirmation.

I think it was...

No, sir.

It's wrong.

No.

It runs him through my mind.

It weakens the strength of his presidency.

Right.

It weakens the captain.

No, the thing to do is to tell them that, no, we will not do that.

But we will have very, very forthcoming rules regarding their appearances before the committee under informal circumstances.

I think the way to solve this is on the OMB guy.

We've taken a negative position, sir.

You mean you'd give him that?

Give him to him?

Modifying their bill.

We'd veto their current bill and go back with $100 million.

We met him.

Alone.

We'd really... Is the bill here at the dance floor in your sign?

No, sir.

No, it isn't.

This is the Senate bill.

Was it gone through the House yet?

No.

Oh, shit.

Tell the House about the veto.

That's right, but we'll let you know.

You're damn right.

But we've got to put the issue to rest, because we've got to.

Yeah.

We've got to say, this is one of the art of the possible, and we can kill it.

And it doesn't affect the economy.

Would it affect, for example, IAC and DMZ, what would it be?

It's good to be home.

Excellent.

I don't mind an accident just anyway.

That's the way to do this.

But I'm not going to submit to anybody but the Director for Whitby.

He should be there every 10 minutes.

Exactly.

I won't forget to show him some Kissinger and all those others.

Fine.

You need to deal that way if you can, Alex.

Absolutely.

Good.

We also have a problem on energy, which we're looking at very carefully.

We've got to get a way to get a broader

sharing responsibility we go we're going to end up at the end of the summer

But we're looking at some options on that map somewhere for you.

You want to work on it?

I'm reading the test reviews.

You've more or less started with an approach regime on it, which is going to keep it all there.

No answers for it.

I don't know the most perfect way.

Oh, you're not talking action, are you?

Actually, I was thinking about it.

Mm-hmm.

Well, it's got to be in control.

That's right.

Well... Yeah.

Oh, yes, I must be.

Yeah, I think you probably should as the first launch of this activity tomorrow.

Right.

Unless I tell him to come into the stockpile soon, he won't.

I'd have to ask him to come.

I don't think so.

No, no, no, he shouldn't come to that.

Right.

So, we'll have that for you.

Well, I've got to run the staff office, but we'll bring him in and get him in as you were doing this.

And that's just to give him a four or five-year leadership experience where he works on it.

It's a wild card.

It's very important.

But, for example, when we had a shoot that time, that might sure had to go away.

Absolutely.

So why don't we try to have it set up for maybe tomorrow at 3 o'clock.

Good.

That would be helpful.

We put, I don't know, June 6th, the drafts in here.

It's a good opportunity to keep you in the public eye, connected, and it's a good, solid audience.

It does bump a little bit against non-servicestay on Saturday.

I haven't really, you know, what we've done next year.

You know, we make the armed services a speech now, and you go back and make the same kind of speech.

So I want to do the Naval Academy, and I should do it.

I had planned to this year.

But I think we need the armed services one.

We need something this week.

We don't need something next week.

I will have been to Iceland by that time.

I'll be right back.

Getting ready for the summit.

Then they have to prepare a speech and go down there.

I don't know.

I think I'm right about that, that I don't think going to the Naval Academy.

They don't want too much military.

That's too much military, and we will not do it.

And there's no other instance, Steve, that I don't want to get out of it.

I mean, I'm going to the Navy a lot of times, but I'm prepared to get some anyway, you know.

That's right.

That's the thing.

And I'll find, I do want some things to get out of the country, however.

Well, then we do have one thing getting out of the country, and that's this Dirksen research.

It's June 15th.

They can't change the date?

No, the problem is the hotel's out there.

And it's sort of awkward.

When's the summit?

The summit's the next week.

It's starting at 8 p.m. All right.

I'll do the June 15th region.

That's fantastic.

That's a good one.

One other question.

There's nothing you can get out of the center.

Thank you, Mr. President.

We've been keeping your Wednesday built, and as a rule, I think that's a good idea.

Well, maybe it doesn't do the work, but that's all right.

I'm always willing to change.

Well, when does it come into specific proposals, if you should?

I just don't ever worry about it.

Look, in regard to the second rule, this is what the hell I'm talking about.

Generally speaking, weekends should be open, because that's good for all of us on Saturday, Sunday, and David or Gloria.

Generally speaking, Wednesdays should be open, only because you need a day in the middle of the weekend when you'll meet with your, you know, compromise.

You might want to have a long meeting with your colleague or Michelle or Brandon or something like that, or a meeting with our staff.

You see what I mean?

Yes, sir.

And we found it very useful.

Otherwise, you'd get nickel and dime to death with crap.

So don't be, but let me say there's always the exception.

That's right.

You don't have anything you can get out of the country for the armed forces this week.

How about next week?

I don't think we need to get out of the country.

The next week we'll have the POW today.

That's right.

One bit of that a week is not bad for getting out of the country.

Well, Norfolk is on Saturday.

We were looking for something here in Washington to get you out.

Washington, D.C.?

No.

That's good.

No, don't.

That's the little boys are not here.

Don't send me out to any event.

Generally speaking, events in the District of Columbia are bad.

You mean like the Chamber of Commerce or the Veterans of the World War or that kind of thing?

They were on the ground.

They were thinking maybe it was a submarine.

Oh, Christ.

Not worth a damn.

How about Barron's office, right?

No, let's get back to the schedule.

No, no.

Look, as the general will let me say, events in Washington, D.C. are losers.

The events, just remember...

Well, of course, this is a different kind of a crime.

So that's not totally out of the way.

I would have not been interested in going into that sort of thing.

I would certainly consider it not as much.

Well, the Midlands was covered with dirt in some of the mountain states.

Tell them to, tell them to get it, get you a better, fun brewery to look at.

All right.

Well, let's do it for the rest of this week.

We've got to have this policy.

Yeah.

That's the end of the Saturday.

Yeah, that was a good fact.

Of course, Thursday we can't do much of it because they'll have that damn Senate committee.

I don't think that's going to drive it.

Well, my opinion is important.

We're proposing to get you maybe out to the coast or something this weekend.

No, sir.

You've got to be right here in Washington, D.C. You're goddamn right.

I'm not going to be out on the coast running away from it.

I'm afraid to hear it.

Now then, we have the radio speech on.

I do, but this week I'm just going to go right in with my schedule as if nothing had occurred.

And you're right.

That's the way to fight the battle.

That's running away from the problem.

It's the folks that are sensitively under the pressure of people.

People would like it.

That's the thing.

I've worked over the weekend on a lot of personnel points.

Personnel?

Yes.

That's up to you.

Good.

They're just one.

Ask me about anything I need to know.

Otherwise, I just don't care.

Well, this is an appointment to the Counselor of Economic Advice.

It's a fellow named Miss Severs, who's young and doesn't have a high profile, but he's very capable.

Good.

I recommend a stein.

And stein is comfortable with it if we brought in somebody higher.

All right.

Excellent.

Anything else like that?

All those things like that, you know, let me just say we would be very, very nervous about delegation authority, like you used to do in the NSC.

There are many things that you just will do better than I will, or as well, and then don't bring it up to me, and then you don't need to.

The only things that really I need to know are the major policy decisions and the scheduling.

That's the scheduling I have to know to the fact that I'm too...

I mean, the big schedule, I don't want to even think about it.

It's the middle of the day.

We've got a long-range strategy.

But we're doing a very good active schedule.

I'm for that no.

We've got to get out in positive forms out there.

We've got to fight for what we believe.

The thing might as well not end up good.

The things that we can't aim for have not changed as a result of this crash.

Correct?

I think that we're going to have a pretty good field within 10 days of where we go from here.

We're going to lay out a firm strategy, right?

As best as we can.

I know.

I mean, I had a report from the Hill that they're going to try to put a bug field in this.

I don't know what...

It had to do with campaign funding.

He had a fund for polling that the best I would be telling was used only once, and it had nothing to do with campaign funding.

So I think he's pretty much the worst of what they think they have, some of the media committee companies.

So that's all of this.

Good God, that sort of thing by now should concern us a bit.

They do that and think of what, he's, what the hell, he's working here.

Sure he should be in the campaign.

So you can't fire everybody who's involved in the campaign.

No, we're not going to do that.

I mean, we went as far as we're going to go with Crowe.

Now, with Butterfield, if he did something that was very cool, he did it with Jesse, he did some funding.

If it didn't happen to be reported or something like that, well, that was just a technical violation, and that's that.

He's not going to be fired for that, no.

I want to stand down for him and think like that.

You're going to get all sorts of things like that.

See, that's what the Urban Committee will scrap away at that sort of thing.

Totally ignoring the violations on their own side.

Well, let's understand, well, our people are the government, theirs are not.

But, but now, those, we've got to fight for them.

Do you agree?

I agree.

I mean, if they're, if they're not brought up with that.

And that's, that's all a question of a high rise and drop off and disappear.

It's not a key issue.

Uh...

You know, I have this, uh, package for you from the, uh, who were in the panel, and they're good, they're comments.

I know a lot inside of you.

Right.

And we're coordinating it with Bush.

You'll be sure Bush is 100% with us on this.

But there's a place where we can really develop some congressional support in our township.

And, well, this is something everybody knew before.

That's right.

And he's working on that all day today.

He did some yesterday.

Of course, they're delighted with the two waivers coming forward because they feel this is... Their mission.

Their mission.

Sure.

It was.

Not that we didn't, I didn't, I planned to do it all, but they said that they pushed it, and I said, well, why not now?

No, I think this is very helpful.

And we can get two days, if you have a meeting tomorrow, and then we can send you a gallery and... Gallery.

We'll make a pretty good little program out of that.

Very good.

Is there anything that, if I want to hold you on that, anything I can do with the Rundle House thing?

He's just got to make a tough, hard statement about this thing.

I mean, I like, I like a little thing like that.

Rundle State is perfectly consistent with that, of course, not quite as good.

But for Christ's sakes, of course, there's men who are fucking trying to get in the head of the police, but they have to be.

Well, they were very something.

A little bit.

Yeah.

I didn't expect this at all.

Sure.

Just a little bit then.

Everything.

It was a little harder, though.

One thing I noticed, I don't know, I was, uh, concerned that they were reacting on Cambodia.

Yes, sir.

We're going to get that out.

I didn't see that.

Well, a lot of people are writing about it over the weekend.

This is probably bad stuff.

So we're going to get a delay on the Senate vote.

You know, if they have this come up before you, those returns are going to have to be very, very important.

That's right.

Very good.

When does he go to Paris this week?

Yes, Thursday.

Very important that the Senate not knock us out of the ballpark before you.

And when he comes back, we just might take a hell of a plan to the Senate.

I mean, I hope for once that maybe they will come at us and have a hell of a fight about it.

And we'll lay the responsibility right at their door for pointing out that not as a volunteer, but our MIAs for accounting, for example.

That's a hell of an issue.

We're working on it.

This is an important issue.

It's keeping the peace.

That's keeping the peace.

It's justification for the sacrifice and all those lines over there.

It's evident that could be a very strong theme among our forces.

In other words, making a hell of a speech that the responsibility of a responsibility must lay with the Congress in a case like this.

These funds are needed.

In other words, put it in a way that we don't make it appear to the Congress.

cuts it off and gives the United States all the flaws.

I'm just saying that we're going to fight for this, continue the appropriations, or to continue this and enforce this agreement.

We intend to enforce it in the Congress.

We ask the support of the Congress and the support of the American people to enforce this agreement.

This is the way that we've gotten out of one court and the way to keep out of others.

to talk about starting it up again, the way that it started up again.

We aren't going to start it up again.

But how do we make it start up again?

That's the whole point.

What we're talking about is the means, the methods, and the incentives to keep them from starting up again.

We don't need any of that.

We don't want to start up any goddamn apartment.

It's the kind of life that we ought to take away.

Thank you.

Yes, I did.

Absolutely.

You know, my monthly life, and I sense that we, I say monthly life, I regret it.

I just can't.

I hate the problem.

First, I think I would have spent the hell of a start in Vegas.

flushed, not appealed, and not crammed around anymore.

And I think that there's going to be, I predict, we'll never get it from the press in Egypt, but there's probably a revulsion of the Senate in getting off, and of the judge.

I mean, really, you don't agree?

That's a good question.

Now, what is your view about getting out that piece of paper?

Now, that's gone out in 20 million lives.

Well, I think it already did happen.

There are really several reasons, but the timing is important.

I'll be sure it's in the judge's hands before it gets out.

Well, it's a certain age that it hasn't gone out.

That's right.

The second week, we've got to do it.

We want this.

Now the Baxter's about to launch a suit against the government.

This thing comes out.

He sees the character.

He will also reinforce subsequently about wiretaps.

We've taken a very responsible position on it.

We're not giving any, we're not releasing anything.

We're protecting people.

That's right.

Now here's the one document that we turned loose and suddenly it leaked.

And look at the damage.

We're going to be sure.

He also told me that he had a person who was trying to test me and said that I ought to have it.

Curious thing, Peterson was an eight spot or two because he said all the nursing home is on it.

Never mentioned it.

You know what it looked like?

Right.

It may not get much play.

It's so, you know, it's so spicy that he's passing it on to me.

But the mic was then hit it up.

He tried it and said, look,

to get it around and circulate it then.

Plus pressure around here.

So this shows you why wire tapping should not be made public.

You see what happens here?

That's why these seats were held.

As a matter of fact, they weren't tapping elsewhere, really.

This was a long time ago.

This was a question when they were tapping Halpern right there.

He was in Halpern's house as a guest.

And we were tapping Halpern because he was in the NSC stand.

As you well know.

which is one of the reasons we let him go.

We never thought he was very loyal anyway.

He's the worst, every headache will increase for collaboration in the lab.

We have a couple of other questions.

It seems to me that our front end being is shooting people on over and over again.

I mean, I see this whole loosey thing.

I started a recap of it last week.

And, uh, I told, uh, this thing around, and I said, what in the hell, uh, uh, this fellow has left and got that vital?

I can't believe it.

What do you think?

I can't believe he has it.

His lockbox.

I was thinking that I could have the files checked to see if any of them had ever come out.

But I don't think he worked through it.

He's got it.

I don't want to check the files anyway.

Well, if we can do it, it's worth it.

Well, let me say this.

There would have been no memory of it from eating him.

In fact, we ought to check and see if there's anything from Bob or John.

I wouldn't do that, Andy.

Well, you mean that Bob and John might refer to me?

Well, my, uh, I've done it.

The only way to do that is if we can be absolutely sure there's no strong conditions in order to work here.

Well, that's a trouble.

We'll be checking.

Okay, come, Kate.

Let's see if we can get it done.

We can put a couple of other things on the floor, too, to cover the spectrum.

I understand.

I have the faintest recollection of any.

But I might, you know.

Well, that's fine.

his wife he's never made an Indian before

I don't want to abolish it, my God Almighty.

Why the hell would he have sat in on all of the investigations and the White House interrogations?

Why would he have had access to FBI reports?

What in the name of Christ is he doing all this for?

Well, that's, that's, that's something over a period of time.

And Ron says, here's a great little question over a period of time.

Did the President know?

And I said to Ron, I'm very resigned about it.

You could swear to satisfy them, suppress them, get them out.

If all of them know they need them.

You don't have anything like that.

So the thing to do is to just do that over a period of time, but recognizing that it's a tough battle.

It's a tough battle.

And all we've got to do, we've got to know in our own minds, this is what I did know and I didn't know.

Where do you get this from?

has recruited me.

You see, Dean had a, had a lot on Peterson.

Peterson, C. Brown, what I do is that.

Hey, come in.

How are you?

Good.

You all recovered from your long mother's day?

So that small is unbelievable.

He liked that business, you know, his big C.I.A.

thing.

Believe me, I'm totally interested in that little business.

I know what the hell the C.I.A.

was.

Clowns, great doctors that humans were.

Oh, if they were, I would have been delighted.

They were.

And owners.

at least subject of a memorandum of support, you can bear that out, don't they?

Yes, they do.

Yeah, very strong.

All right.

Is he going to be called as a witness?

Yeah.

What the hell?

Was he going to be called out?

Let's see.

There was some talk of the fact that Dean was going to be at the courthouse today.

I don't know.

Hall was going to be a witness today.

Well, Dean, they haven't called him yet as a witness, have they?

I think he's their trump card, and they don't want, they don't want to have him out, and then have the other one who's a subsequent to him, the one they have hidden, and tell him to witness it.

I just think that's, that's tacky.

I don't know what they want to put him on blast.

in order to kill the other one.

That's right, and to have the strongest, and not give anyone else a chance to, to attack his credibility.

Um, yeah.

Well, we're all over the internet, we're being attacked now, and there's some credibility in there.

That's right.

They'll be doing it, and yet they won't, in a sense, in the hearings, because they are taking executive privilege, and that's the right thing to do.

But...

The hearings, you mean hearings, I know.

The hearings and the trade hearings.

It all seems the same.

Now, I'll take executive privilege.

My view is that I've turned around on that.

Don't give it that advantage.

Thanks for talking this over with us.

He agrees, too.

Yep.

General, we've got that.

We've got a whole firm.

We've got the sealant.

The beat has.

And what comes out of all the range you're hearing, before we make our decision on executing the program, is far better than a good power drive.

Well, sure.

sit there, they're going to be with the president covered up or something like that.

A little executive privilege.

It doesn't make any worse.

It doesn't make any worse because they're all partners, and we're anyway.

We're not getting much credit for it, but we're going to have to hold them and hurry them forward.

You know, I didn't think it was a mistake, really.

You know?

I think if you hadn't done that, we would have just been beaten up.

You would?

Do we think we're still the wreckers?

I think we're still the wreckers.

We're a little late for the wreck.

You know, as you know, we tried to go to Ushuaia.

I'll go.

Well, it couldn't have been any less.

What?

It could not have been any less.

You see, it's really, it's provided another...

That's never been a question in my mind.

The question in my mind is to

and effectiveness of the office over the next three years in that international position.

But you see, no matter how much they cut us out, unless they throw us out by impeachment, which I don't think

I can't see, I can't see the members of the House, the majority of that, would have agreed to put it in the United States of America's Constitution.

It's inconceivable.

They might not want to try.

My advice is, look, we're going to be here, and, or we're very good on it, after they get their disorganized.

People are going to say, well, let's leave him.

They're all, he may be not the son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch.

That's really what it gets down to.

That's about the best I think we can get out of the Don Manning thing.

I mean, that would be true here.

Out of the great boondocks of the country, it would be so confusing that there would be sort of a question on how does the president know what his salvation is.

But they'll forget it quite soon.

The president would have been under so many enormous attacks, all presidents, well, Johnson and I too, over three times.

But people in the end kind of want to think the government isn't a terrible asshole.

I mean, terrible corrupt bastard himself.

You see, there's none of that in this question.

No, well, except this.

Did the president know that big question?

That's in this.

Did he know?

Even so, the character of it is very, very different.

We don't have an Adams problem in which somebody was doing his own position.

Well, it didn't affect country, but let's look at it.

Did the president know where he was?

The point there is...

The main thing is the president cannot lie.

Now, I have not lied.

No, that's right.

I have not lied.

I have said that I have no knowledge of this, and I did not.

Rumors, yes, I read the papers.

But as far as information, no.

And that's the point.

When the press will try to say that the President held a wonder of the way that our enemies will put out in the country after a while.

You see, you've got other people here, you've got various people, and it's got to be the President first hearing.

They're trying to hit some guy, you see, on the President, like they tried to blow up the bank.

Grace is supposed to warn me.

Well, the great thing is sort of, I read a little verse from the page in the New Sermon today, that water's on kind of a different way today.

I mean, it sort of makes, Grace says, he did and he didn't, but maybe at least it gets through.

We just got over the news and so forth.

There's going to be much action today.

I feel cramped.

Well, we want to do everything we can.

Yes, that's the one.

He didn't know what committee, or does he have a why in there?

He knows before the grand jury.

He thinks they both said it was a little different.

He thinks before the committee, because of the questioning, that Gray wasn't as helpful.

But then later in the day, when he went before the grand jury, he was much more helpful.

So there was a difference.

At least that's the way to put it.

You step up to the thing and give every answer to re-anticipation.

Because if he goes out with a statement in this great period, and then we're hit over here, how do you gain nothing?

You okay with that?

We want to remember that there were differences in just nuance, not a question of veracity.

I mean, there's probably a way of questions were framed in the way his response was interpreted.

But...

Easier, of course, please, but the greatest.

Even before the committee.

You don't know these people.

The greatest, no, no, but let's look at it.

The death of the star brothers is Mitchell, Gray, Magruder.

No, no, no, no.

Mitchell, Gray, Hall, Early.

Are all, I can say, the president didn't know.

In those goddamn days, no, he didn't.

Yeah.

Well, it's hard for him to, hard for him to apply it himself, because God damn it, he was, he had the White House comment on it.

I don't know, but that's the way I want to do it.

That's the concept of it.

Why the hell did we get something through to somebody?

And he's an active guy in the... For nine months.

He said he wasn't taking a report, but not until the 21st of March did he come in with all this.

And even then, he didn't reveal his own deep feelings.

You see what I mean?

This is...

This is desperate.

Not that we can...

What he has, he's obviously told us, but for a man who's playing for what he was looking for in music,

His inclination would be to over impress people with what he had to offer.

So I think that's been his tactic.

And he saw that it wasn't working in the last week.

After his testimony, he put out the step for any new business.

And I'm forgetting this.

That was a sign of desperation.

He didn't even pay him.

didn't have information to justify it.

Now, I wouldn't have a search of files made on memoranda and so forth and so on.

I think there's too much of a

I think it might be helpful to go ahead with another campaign, you know, trying to get this pattern going.

You just don't know what you're going to be doing, and you don't know, you know, it draws their attention.

It draws their attention.

But in the case of maybe we think about it, we're just going to be there.

You see, the minute you start down that road, it's a...

Oh my... Fine.

That's excellent.

And we were thinking it would be helpful for you to go out on...

I didn't get my paper today.

Well, I didn't want to do it.

I've got somebody else to consider, which is an unfortunate day.

Right.

Go down to Norfolk and give a...

Well, let's face it.

If we find it...

If he doesn't use it, and we find it, we'll want to know it.

We don't have to do that.

All right.

Norbert, the best police we can find.

Second.

Whatever he has, John.

No, it is.

We've had two.

There was a West Coast possibility, but it looks... Just some...

I mean, there's nothing we can do to stop it.

Too hard.

We can get a good plan.

Okay.

You don't have to pay whatever you can...

of that character, I think would be helpful, because as you can see, Bob or John, the ships in the background, would prepare a memo, which would be, it just wouldn't do it.

Maybe I would.

No, I guess not.

If he hadn't been gone, it would have already happened.

Why?

Why do you think so?

Because, that vacuum was moving from desperation, sinking in dreams.

Well, the other theory goes that, uh, you know that when people get old, the vacuum, he sold a baggage truck car, and he used it on something else.

He has to be offered the deal.

It's conceivable, but it's less likely for him to be a character guy.

We're headed to security wiretap several times in my press conference.

So what the hell do those men have?

They inevitably are in there because that's where the goddamn stunt leaks out.

Exactly.

that he had now was that we had his health care in place.

That's like high-risk break-ins and so forth.

He probably figured that that was his cold on the job.

Then he'd leave the cold there and not put it out.

And then he controlled it against the illness perfectly.

So it was good that it got out there.

Do you think so?

Yes, I do.

And it was good, and I personally ordered it out there, and I thought, you know, that was proof, you know, that that happened.

You know, one thing we have to be quite careful of when we're up against things.

Anybody that's having a rough run away?

I'm going to.

I've got it down here.

Why don't I go first?

It's fine.

It's the old vinyl.

There was no vinyl, so I said, this is the, these things were approved by the, right, in the interview.

Did Ruppelstiltskin raise this with you?

The question is going to be asked.

The judge asked us a second week ago.

Now this is not, this is for the subject to file here.

Why didn't we move to make them available?

I think the answer is very clear.

No, but the bizarre thing is,

Why don't you tell the bazaar then?

Okay, that bazaar, please.

We didn't find out until Thursday that Martin said that he's doing it for the White House.

We've had this order here, but... Fair enough.

No one here now was familiar with it.

But he wasn't here.

That's great at all.

Yeah, we're here.

He didn't volunteer.

So we had to find out for ourselves.

It was Thursday.

We located him late Friday.

I turned him over.

We've got a couple of letters from him.

Why is it, sir?

I'm glad to have you, sir.

This thing of getting the staff cleared, uh, members of your staff, you know, showed some gist of your most unlikely idea.

Well, the final thing that you say is a massive search of both files were made, and the files were found in the White House.

Nobody had, uh, you know what I mean?

That's, that's all there was to that.

I, I think the pitch does, uh, this is a hell of a lot of stuff.

That's the only difficulty here.

I've heard the delay of things, you know, but it didn't, it wouldn't have affected the case in any way.

The delay, of course, is the, the fact that we didn't find them, don't think we did.

No, we couldn't find them, that can't be a problem.

And then, look, in the fall, I was in the chair of the CIEP, and they tested you, and then other people go up for confirmation.

With our newspapers, that's the thing.

I mean.

The thing to do is to tell them that no, we will not do that, but we will have very, very

I think the way it's solved is quite frankly is on the OMB guy.

We've taken the position.

You mean you give him that, give him to him?

Modifying it.

Yeah.

Well, any other papers except for this one, of absolute iron curtain, right?

True.

That are in this white house.

True.

God damn it.

We just can't get into this sort of crap, you know what I mean?

I mean, this one would have killed us if we kept it intertwined in an innuendo of water-based.

It wouldn't have been very bad because the guys would be reviewing what was done.

They were making the...

I suppose the one exception there could be, because there's both, there's looking down the road at what's wrong with R.L.

and Tom.

I say, well, he was involved in something.

He did something.

There's a paper in the White House.

What does he say?

What?

I meant not watering it, so not me watering it.

No, this would, this would be separate, uh, bill.

We'd veto their current bill, and go back with one of them should be taxed, and we would go back and consult with them.

If he did it.

If we don't undertake it.

I have been told that he did not.

I asked for it.

But I don't know.

I can't.

Well, it's very conceivable that he did.

Very conceivable.

In fact, I suspect he probably did.

He did a separate try.

After all of that, he was, uh, was moving to try to find things out.

That's right.

So, now the big question here is, where are the results of it?

We're not going to listen to you.

And who has knowledge of it?

The one who met him alone.

We really... Is the bill in here that's already signed?

No, sir.

No, this is a Senate bill.

Was it gone through the House yet?

No.

That's right, but we'll veto.

But we've got to put the issue to rest, because we've got to.

We've got to say, this is one of the art of the concept.

The only ones that can acknowledge that kind of activity is the one that we can yell at him about.

Because he worked every day on that operation.

He didn't command for it, but he broke it.

Did they ask for both of them?

I don't think so.

I think so, but I was focused on the breaking of it, because Lord, he stood up and said, you've got to make a plan.

It's my responsibility.

It's much the same way if there were taps there.

I mean, it was the same way.

Sure, I didn't do it in my own responsibility.

But if we then have them, do you think we should turn them over?

No?

I'd say yes if we're taking the hair and the wife.

I would also suspect that if he did do it, that stuff was destroyed.

These guys had some time to police up what they did.

we can kill him nicely and it doesn't affect the economy.

Would it affect, for example, I should be hematopoietic?

It's due to people.

That's the way to make standards anyway.

That's the way to do it.

But I'm not going to submit to anybody but the director for what it means.

You should be there for the cabinet.

Exactly.

I don't want to get to show him some kisses and all those other things.

Fine.

You can make the deal.

But anyway, we've done all we can do.

We've made search and files.

We've turned it back to Rubble House.

And they checked Rosa's office and they asked her if she had something.

What'd she say?

I don't know.

Because sometimes when people get in an error, they just keep this as a file.

Well, I asked her, I described the fact that she thought that's where it may have been.

She's true.

We also have a problem on energy, which we're looking at very carefully.

We've got to get a way to get a broader sharing of responsibility for energy policies.

We're going to end up at the end of the summer having a problem.

I think your story that was a massive search for White House files.

And nobody here, you know, was conscious of what we were talking about.

And the judge had asked us not to do anything recent enough.

The overall impact of the thing is going to be good.

It isn't just the president who's a volunteer.

But we're going to get some options on that and we'll have something for you.

Do you want to work on that?

Before this sort of an approach, do you want to keep it all there?

No, I'm anxious for it.

I don't know the most personal view, but I've talked to Ash.

Ash is going to do better.

Yeah.

He thinks so.

Otherwise, he's going to do something.

We'll all take it.

There's going to be some property in the window.

Sound is going to strengthen our position.

Right, and the character of the thing is as clean as a whistle.

It's done according to the standards procedures.

That's the Congress and it gets the cabinet and it gets the... What?

That's right.

That has nothing to do with voter vote hanky-panky, which is what they have suspected up to now.

That's exactly the wrong...

And I'm going to ask for a drunken paper for you, if you want to meet with me.

Oh yes, I'd love to meet you.

And I think you probably should as the first launch of this activity tomorrow.

Right.

And I'm going to tell you what I call a good, but a very good connotation of picture on an activity that everybody in the writing suggested something different.

So it's interesting, it's an achievement, you know.

One part of it is the short, you know, the date says that we could sort of put up a job and we're looking at the short for a job.

It's a matter of fact, this is not why you have to do it.

Sure, sure it wasn't why you had to do it.

That was a purely, you know, innate chance.

You have to...

I don't think it makes a hell of a lot of difference to be nice.

God, that's just...

But with regard to the delay of this thing, I think there's a good reason for it.

We had a mass executive filing about this.

We were, I suppose your point is that what goes on in the National was the White House trying to hide the drug and keep the drug and the rest of it.

What did he say?

When we had

But they had to turn it over to a member of the White House fast.

Just as soon as we got that address?

Then the search was made.

Yeah, then the search for the White House was made.

When they were found, I was notified immediately.

I came over here and they were returned.

And I'm holding them.

What about the ones you did for Johnson and Kennedy?

They still got those?

I think they destroyed some of them.

I think Sullivan over the years destroyed one hell of a lot of stuff.

That place is such a cesspool.

We can turn it into the Spock Park City if you want.

I'd have to ask you to come.

I don't think so.

No, no, no.

He shouldn't come to that.

Right.

So we'll have that for you.

It's a fairly good menu.

I'm going to get Connolly into every presidential act.

Well, I've got to run the staff office, but we'll bring him in and give him, as you were suggesting, give him four or five different things where he works on them.

And we use him as a wild card.

It's a very important thing to do.

Absolutely.

But, for example, when he had a shoot that time, that might sure end it, you know.

Absolutely.

So why don't we try to have him set up for maybe tomorrow afternoon at 3 o'clock.

Good.

That would be helpful.

We put, I don't know, June 6th, the drafts in here.

It's a good opportunity to keep you in the public eye, connected, and it's a good, solid audience.

It does bop a little bit against non-services to any of us who stand in it.

I have a really, you know, idea next year, you know, to make some sort of, sort of CIA, what they all have, you know, they pull up our name and find out all they have to me.

That's great.

Well, that's the other problem with reality is that

What about Ron's house?

It should be here now.

You've got to make it at 2 o'clock.

I'd like to take a look at it.

I might be able to help a little longer.

Not officially.

Oh, no, no, no, not officially.

I just approached the editorial.

I had an editor come in and make a suggestion to the editorial.

No, I don't know who.

No, they don't want to ask me.

I'm the assistant, but I see it.

That's good.

Well, it's the 14th of May.

A lot of times since you came on board, I don't know where you've come off.

It's been really frightening.

Weeks, months, and days.

Days and days.

And days of my life now, for days.

But don't you think the banners were funny?

It's not any worse funny than you took out a beam.

Absolutely correct.

It's not me that's fighting this today, of course you're fighting it.

I said, it's a pleasure to fight.

Well, you know what they are.

But I said, I don't care if it's a lie.

I'm just talking about being in this public relations battle with the president.

And I said, well, do your best.

Iran, we're just going to live with that.

That's part of the thing.

We're going to have a new life.

We should know that now.

Of course, it is.

But I think it's still going to be goddamned interesting how we move and manage the barriers.

They're not going to be buried.

They're going to be buried.

We can't ever permit ourselves to do this and get panicky or weak or rattled by the endless institution that you as a man are a part of.

Your accomplishments put you in light years ahead of us all.

That's a real thing.

The country comes our way and that's all that matters.

I mean, the rest of us don't matter.

You know that.

That's what we really matter.

When I say there is a Bible, I mean it's in the Bible.

You've got to know that Bible.

It's going to live with me.

I can't believe, though.

I think you're right.

I can't believe.

It wouldn't hurt me.

It wouldn't hurt our home.

That's what it would do.

It wouldn't put a memory on it.

Believe it or not.

No, I'm not doing it directly.

I don't like to be in any process.

Just what you're doing.

Yeah, so much impossible to happen.

I don't mean, I don't mean with regard, of course, I mean, I mean with regard to the so-called, uh, cover-up.

No, that's, that's what I see right now.

You don't believe it or at all?

No.

Then I might think something about that.

No, it isn't.

It would be inconceivable to me that a man like John, who knows this legal side so well, it's conceivable he'd write something along the lines of, you know, the concerners were registered, is the CIA been involved?

You know, you're not getting into something that's going to be embarrassing internationally.

That kind of thing, sure, but that reinforces a

It's a good reinforcement case.

They said the best thing about the whole CIA offense is the fact that Richard Helms is president in the first meeting.

I don't know how the hell that could not have been enforced.

Once I said, God, Daniel Schlesinger has made a remark on a little bit of disparaging of Helms and this stuff.

That's a disaster.

Where are you going with that?

Must have done it on the Hill.

About his connection with this case?

Yes, you know, it was, you know, this happened under him, so he, uh, he wasn't... And then it's I, you know...

But they didn't do anything.

No, they didn't do anything, but... Oh, oh, maybe he's referring to a friend.

He's referring to a friend.

That's right.

Oh.

Now, he cannot talk that way.

No, sir.

For two reasons.

One of them is...

I can't tell you how strongly he is supportive of the, you know, among all of the key men that the light driver here drives his best friend.

And speaking, we can't have him feel that he's being set up to drive.

So...

But you get his lesson here.

I'm trying to talk to him.

Did you?

What did he say?

He sort of got hung up in a question and answer period that was not...

You didn't mean to convey that.

Yeah, but we told him, for God's sake, you're never going to take an edge on this thing.

You can't stick by the agency.

You see, Krishna, Krishna's testimony was clear.

He was a little self-serving, but it didn't hurt him.

You know, it's a funny thing.

the fact that he, John Berwick, did not make the call asking for his equipment to be given out.

On the other hand, Ron told me this morning that they got John Berwick nailed totally on that point.

Now, John Berwick, when I questioned him on that, he said he'd got a perjurer or something.

You were telling me that the perjurer, the perjurer, has an entity, has an agent, saying he got a call.

Huh?

What's it going to do to you then?

What's it going to do?

I don't know.

God knows.

He might not have made it though.

He may believe he did.

But his people almost had questions after that.

Well, if it's a question of a different recollection, I mean, that's the, it isn't going to be perjury, you know what I mean?

John can say, look, my recollection was I did make a call, and I knew that the equipment was there, and so forth and so on.

Maybe Christian was wrong.

Maybe he did.

Maybe the call came from somebody in behalf of John.

See, John's story, according to my name, somebody in here, was that he had asked the bishop and the bishop had given the memo to the effect that he had done.

He called the bishop.

Do you know what he was doing here?

Well, since you had to work on, uh, especially the report today, right?

In the meantime, we'll go over all these things.

And also, as I said, in the meantime, I don't think we should have let Dane have his little lockbox and so forth.

We're just gonna fight like hell.

Just fight.

And, uh...

and that's why I say you start searching the bottom.

Make it a great display of the memory.

So you should re-examine that.

My letter to Oregon.

Thank you, sir.

You're doing a damn good job, Snowy.

Thank you, sir.

You're lucky you worked for such a fine man.

This is the dean papers.

Judge just ordered the papers in dean's box, turned over to the court.

I see.

It's just a maybe, maybe.

And copies?

Copies given to the Senate.

They're classified top secret and common.

Communication.

Parker represented us.

He did nothing.

Just sat there.

It's what?

We don't even know what's in the paper.

All right, fine.

In other words, you ordered it to be entered over to the court and to the Senate, but not to us.

Well, we can sure find out from the Senate that it is.

And that it is condamned possession.

This is communications intelligence.

It's intercepted information.

Some entry somewhere in the paper that models highly sensitive communications intelligence.

What would that be, do you think?

Very, very hard to know.

Very hard to know.

You don't think it's communications intelligence?

say, converse agency may have had a default on the media or something like that?

No, no, no.

This would have to be something in the normal intelligence system where it wouldn't be classified that way.

It generally represents something where we're reading another government's mail, coded material that we've gotten from the interstate.

any member and a president's private, don't, extra private file, a president should be able to, Higgins told me earlier, and he wouldn't do it, and I don't think he would.

Well, then they screwed you up a chance if we can do it.

Yeah, yeah.

And, uh, I'll see.

She'll see.

Okay.

All right.