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God damn it.

These guys cannot destroy this, except that they're on the brink.

And if they want to take the on this part, so be it.

I just don't think they're going to do that.

Here we've got a case of working that problem.

Yeah.

and steadily working on this one, which we're going to do, and we're doing.

It's going to happen.

And I guarantee you, sir, it's not going to be too much longer before there's a total revulsion to what we're seeing.

Great.

I am absolutely confident of it.

And we found that we've ever experienced that it's the same kind of a cycle.

And to the degree the greater the excess, the greater the reaction.

In every instance.

But the truth of our country, Winston, is almost a physical law.

It's what the Marxists call a dialectic, and it works.

This hasn't existed.

And that's when that point comes, when that thing starts to turn,

If we're going to make on, not a day and a week don't, like it's never been done, the desire to see Colson, that conceit, and that he's not going to exist.

Colson's smart.

He's given a few ideas.

That's right.

Now really, that Colson, that is for himself, but I hope my ideas that

I just know, let me say this, I know that now I'm privileged with this.

Tuck was the son of a bitch in the Grand Jury, and that means Tuck was the son of a bitch in the trial.

My point being that there, in the Grand Jury, they don't know what the hell we're taking privilege on.

And in the trial, we're saying it's their ass, you know what I mean?

I think they're pretty good, but

I don't know whether anybody's a buzzer, but he's thinking big, isn't he?

He's thinking very big, and he's working on a firm strategy as well as David Agnew.

So, Agnew was pissed off because of Congress?

I don't know.

I had no reason to say that.

I don't know.

No, I was thinking, for example,

Why do we can't declassify, as I've said a hundred times, everything from ten years back?

Can't we get the BMP to declassify, the Bay of Bay to declassify, and 11?

11, I don't understand that.

Why the hell can't we?

That's the whole thing, I'm going to write about it.

You know, we have a declassification program going on.

Is it going to hurt our foreign policy purpose to do that at this time?

We've got brutal, brutal problems with the departments that we send.

That was an effort that we've made twice now.

Okay.

What is the story, of course, then, is it Ruckelshaus over there, FBI, as he, as he checked the sea, whether the Taps and the Johnson and Kennedy administrations are still there?

Are they?

They didn't have any for Johnson, I understand.

They were all under the Secret Service, certainly they have, most of these were under the Secret Service, and others were destroyed.

Unless the Secret Service has them.

God, I think they were kind of old.

I think, in other words, he had every phone in the house.

And whether you, Secret Service, could go out and take private phones, I'm not so sure.

That's a pretty high risk.

But that one, I think we can do it.

to get something better out of it.

The very fact that this has been done, I mean, Ronald Sonson's analyst, Solomon, knows this.

You know, he said he got a story out for that effect, but can we get the numbers out that this is not new, or maybe we're too concerned about the data.

That story, I think, is going to be nice to see how it plays out, and we'll know.

Well, which story?

You mean the one with the wiretap?

Even the New York Times, I don't know what you saw.

This guy, when I talked to you yesterday, Al, you were essentially the story.

The vicious passage there.

He told me that that's where all the sources were.

Well, he's had it.

Are you unacquainted?

Are you, have you told Ruggles?

Is Ruggles House concerned about these leaks or not?

Very concerned.

He is?

Good.

I want him to know I'm concerned about it.

Only because, not for the protection of the administration, but for the protection of the individuals.

And the FBI would, I would entrust their view.

You haven't gotten any of that from the FBI director?

I do.

Jones is waiting to see me with some other man.

Why?

you think we ought to get rock alabama right

I've got a guy that looks very good in the draft table for me.

And I remember him.

What's his name?

Sullivan?

Miller.

A lawyer in Washington here, who was Bobby Kennedy's head of his criminal investigation.

He's a Republican.

He served, I think, in one of his Latin America events.

Tell me about him now.

Why?

I've heard of him before.

Well, my question to you is, what makes a chance to see him?

I don't know what he'd do, but I think he would.

He's tough.

He was the guy, quite frankly, who was going to try and win the Johnson.

They had criminal charges against him.

What is that?

For Bobby Baker.

That's why he went into that.

Oh, Bobby Baker.

Yeah, that's how they were going to get him off the ticket.

That's right.

Jack Kennedy was killed.

What did he do that they were going to do this?

That's why he went in.

Bobby had such a train of thought.

It wasn't because his brother was killed, it was because his whole house of crime has been, the now president knew what was going to happen to him.

He knew what they were going to try to do to him.

You think of Bobby Baker, for God's sake.

I'm not a man of the health from a personal standpoint.

I just equate it like a tweet.

I can tweet him.

I mean, he's an asshole.

I'm an asshole.

I can beat him, and he discusses the problems, and this and that, and I listen to him.

But that's, you know what I mean.

Now, we are, we are, we're losing sight of that.

We're losing sight of that.

I'm not sure we're going to try to do our job.

God Almighty, the idea that we're going to get rich.

Nobody's going to, you know, make any money, huh?

Get somebody you know.

That's the main thing.

Somebody you know.

And a right-hander, and so forth and so on.

By and by, we're going to get a name over there and get him treated.

You see, this would be a very tough guy for him to take on.

He can't make his personal choice to head the criminal division.

And yet, we would look at that very solid, tough-minded guy.

What did he do?

Ice the water?

Why didn't somebody ready for their water?

Why doesn't he?

Bothered out, got us split off better.

I was made out of good water.

Because I remember he was a person who was tough.

Dedicated to the country.

To the presidency.

That's why I'm killing you.

Sounds crazy.

See, we've got a hell of a line in the buzzard.

Oh, you've got it.

Well, you already knew that.

I had to make sure it was crucified.

Thank God you got it.

Thank God.

Did he know the error of three doors?

Well, you know, the interesting thing was, he found out last night what these goddamn gapers were before the judge found out.

By just taking the description, that yes, I got over into the defense department, they have this, he found out the exact size 43 patient, they found out his alopecia, that's what it is, and he guessed it.

On the nose!

That's quite remarkable, isn't it?

He's, he's a, he's a gem.

Of course, now there's this war, he has now had more trouble now.

I frankly believe that he had shot his wife.

He was holding that in the background, hoping and praying for immunity.

got through his testimony or his evidence to the counselor over there.

I had been holding him and then just decided to find out.

That probably is what is worrying him because I was a criminal act.

He sold me.

He took out of the premises.

Is that a criminal act?

Yes, sir.

Oh, yes, but you're not supposed to take things out of a criminal act.

Well, we worked very, very carefully on his Q's and A's this morning.

So, uh, I got to open up some, some leads about additional criminal on the other part of the deal.

And to the aura of his irresponsibility,

See, this is something we can exploit.

It's got to be done very slowly.

You've got to remember, too, that he's the only one that will deliberately attack the president.

Right.

Since he's going to deliberately attack the president, you've got to destroy him.

But he's going to.

That's right.

And I think he may be a little concerned about taking the president on for a while.

I think he's already here.

Well, you'll have some more, but I don't think so.

I am perfectly resigned today to whatever they do now.

I mean, I just think that we've got to fight like hell, and we're not going to panic.

And the economy attitude, I must say, was a little disappointing today.

A little disappointing?

And I was a little surprised.

What's his motion?

Nothing could be better for him than to come in here and have a lot of dust and dirt and people fired right in left and right out of town.

That's really true.

Yeah.

It's the same motivation that is influencing drift.

This guy is after his own political interests.

Well, I'm all for that.

And that's more what we don't want to be naive about.

Richardson.

I don't think Richardson is actually going to be served, however, by Phelan being the prime minister of the county.

Huh?

They will kill him.

That's why I don't believe it.

That's why I don't believe that comment.

Yeah, I just don't know.

The comment he said about, maybe that tells us more about comment than the vibrations.

He doesn't like us.

He hates us over here, but he doesn't like us.

How many times?

They had some real grout and grout there on the marquee and on the monetary thing, and we put that ceiling on the pavement.

One thing I think we can do with these creeds is to give the fire a shoo-line.

Now, what if that Ron had been in there being harassed by one of the forty-five detracted?

Len should give them a story.

Len should give them a story, and you should say, that gentleman is it for the day.

Period.

I really feel we're giving them too much of an offer to get the hell out of here.

That's because Ron has that problem sometimes.

Well, if I should be forthcoming, I'm currently forthcoming.

And you can't be forthcoming.

Have you ever talked to Ron about the question?

No.

Ron could be, frankly, more valuable to me and to us now in a basically what, let me face it, what I was really thinking of.

Basically, if you're a deputy, we wouldn't call you that.

But, if we can serve you, your relationship is very good.

Ron basically would be fantastic in that job.

And then you see, you'd have him there, you'd have Bazaar working the legal side, you know, which, and I'd give Bazaar a broader brush there, too, because I agree with you.

In other words, you have so many incompetents in there out there.

Bazaar can move around.

Bazaar is, huh?

He is superb.

Now, he's got to have his hands full on this.

I thought he'd been busy for a long time, and he can't count on picking up anything.

He should not.

He should focus totally on this issue and nothing else.

It was all right.

That's right.

Turn it around.

At some point down the road, you're going to be able to do another thing.

And I don't think you want Darnold to run the council.

Darnold will never.

He's the son of a cat.

So you have the czar do this, now let Darnold do the crap.

And later on, he'll say, now let me get back to your other jobs.

Oh yes, Len is better as a freewheeler.

Yeah, he is.

And then you'll have a strong council.

Now, the Ken Cole operation, do you think you need another man there?

I'm not so sure.

He apparently has a good staff.

I don't know whether I need another domestic counselor.

I have complete confidence in Ken, completely Ken working with, if Ken can work closely with the two people, Rush, I mean,

and the budget package.

Yes, they can.

If it comes through in that way, that's all I want.

I don't think any other debate will.

And when I think about it, it is an in-house intellectual who has a unique and domestic doctrine, so to speak.

Well, that's price.

He has it.

He can.

No, I was thinking in terms of maybe breaking out the domestic council, the policy area, where you put twice quite a bit of this intellectual pie and keep you out of day-to-day operation and casework and politics in the business the way it is.

That's where we're going to work in.

Then what you would want to get, basically, is a

Yeah, all right.

But there's no urgency.

I mean, right now, right now, I don't, I think it's gonna, we're running pretty well with Kevin, with Kevin.

You know, I mean, Schultz is a strong, brilliant, very fine character.

I mean, he's not, a couple of the big, high-powered guys, they're goddamn hard to live with, hard to, and they spend so much of my time with him, I think.

But we got to a little bit of confidence.

He didn't come for nothing.

We may.

I don't know how long we can hold it.

Well, the only place we're here, if you decide, is in the camp.

That's right.

And I have held that out, that I'm going to have to take a look at it there after the summit.

And we will have to look at it, because we're going to also have to look at Henry's situation then.

We've got to see whether Henry can take this step or not.

He seemed to be back a little bit.

He seemed to be up a bit.

Right.

I really think he's the only guy that's going to be able to turn this attitude into a movie, though.

If he can get up there and testify, then we'll get to turn it.

If he can't get up there and testify regularly,

on these key issues, we win.

He's got, he's more aggressive now.

That's his greatest asset now, I don't know.

But, yeah.

And he's efficient, too.

He's so overpowered.

Because what I'm going to do is cement the China-Soviet line, which is the most advantageous and potentially the most dangerous one in the whole place.

Yeah.

I guess you're right.

I agree that's the best part, but we've got to get Henry in the mood to be solid enough to take it.

Didn't mean that.

We didn't mean a hell of a good thing.

Man, amazing.

But you see, it'd be, it'd be surprising, I think, when that guy got into that kind of a treadmill.

The irresponsibility of that man would sit around and be flying it, see what he could steal from the secretary of state, or keep control of it.

You have a different...

Different man.

He loved it so dearly.

Oh, God, he did.

I guess the answer to the problem, I'll tell you what's really my great concern, and I've got this from the staff over there.

The department is in open instruction.

We had two West African just today.

These guys are just dumb.

They're coming to notice something like this.

The department?

Yes, sir.

Second, this nuclear thing looks so good.

Yeah.

It could turn.

one way, which would be very good, and another way, it would be a disaster.

The British people just cannot prove that it would be very bad, and it looks like we came on the terms of North America.

If they look at it as an enforcement of that, and move towards clear stability and understanding,

Then you've got one son, Boston.

That's just great.

The point about that, though, is that I, at first, certainly, I didn't control Rogers on that.

I think so.

Oh, I think so.

He really wants to listen to him, because he doesn't control him at all.

And they all know Cyclops, and they have a vested interest in getting him, which he deserves.

I mean, he brought home himself.

See, one of the things is, it wouldn't have to happen too quickly.

But if it could be announced, these bastards would be in line from that moment on.

And Bill would have, I'm not so sure we'd have a problem with Bill on this.

If we said September, October, November, he'd be leaving.

I'm not so sure we'd have a problem.

Let me ask you though, when Bill talked to you, he indicated, well, he doesn't do anything.

He can do the hell of it and so forth, but he didn't indicate any willingness to leave.

I mean, he wasn't the most certain thing about Henry.

No.

It was very, very far from that.

No, but I think I could do it if the decision were made, and I think I could come to it.

I think the reason we come down is because that's what we have to do, because the common goal does not work.

We cannot digest it.

It doesn't go on about it, and so forth.

If it burns its ass, why don't we just have to do it?

And that goes straight to the best thing about bureaucracy.

They know who's coming.

And we had an extra dad, totally dedicated to being sure that what he's doing is right.

See, with Harry, I just would never run a little period of transition with him for three or four months.

What he knew, he was ready.

And he didn't get what he wanted.

I just was willing to predict how that would play.

So if winning was a decision they don't carry, and if I were to go, it would have to be very quick.

And the smarter thing about it, I'd hang on and help John come, and he'd help him like my father, and he wouldn't help anyone.

Oh, he'd be angry.

Right?

Xerox all the papers and get them out.

That's right.

Exactly.

It's just one thing I must make a note to you.

If Bob has responsibility, you know I have to be sure that all my papers, his, you know, they're mine.

And I really recognize that.

Right?

Because we know the secret and so forth and so on.

You can't take those out.

You understand?

That's good.

And that's easy to control because we just don't play it right.

And I'm supposed to try.

I don't know what he's thinking of the game.

I don't know.

I don't see what I'm supposed to do.

You see, that poor Rothman, I worry about him.

He's a scavenger.

Lenin is a scavenger.

He's satisfied.

He's a scavenger.

That is to go and run.

Well, he's a loyalist.

It's a hall of tradition.

I hope they just control the Walter's Law so it doesn't affect sausage's confirmation or Colby's, but I guess it could, because neither one of them makes it, unless that document thing.

But damn it, the hell with the document thing.

Wait, they just say, no, that's a document in the White House.

They're involved, it's non-official, they know.

They have, both those men have too much good will, you know, both of them, for different reasons.

And that was really the main purpose of the action.

You could have, you had a hell of a time with any of your secretaries.

You really would have.

Yep.

The best guy in the world, he was a natural.

Good.

He really had to go up there.

Yeah, very good.

Because he's done everything that they like.

You know, he cleaned out a lot of dead wood over there.

He's a king star in the industry, you know, for selling stuff.

in the missile business, they think he's hard-wired and, you know, save his life.

Well, let's hope Richard's going to fight it back.

We're letting go, and I'm backing him all the way.

Give him a little of that crap.

That vision.

Gee whiz, and I'm not calling him because I want him to be able to feel free to say he hasn't talked to him.

Ron was there.

Ron was there when I was talking to him, and he went like this.

I said, Ron, the important thing is that you need your therapy.

The president is so interested in your group.

He'll do all right on his hands.

Richardson is, he'll play ball.

He'll be all right as Attorney General.

He thinks he'll affect everybody in the courts, you know, because he'd be too liberal.

But I'll have something to say about those.

But that FBI director, I want to name that one, too.

I don't know what I mean, but first he's called me back and said, I hope you're going to be sure I know the importance of the other one.

That's my point.

Basically, it's all fire, but on that one, we just consulted and said, well, this is, I mean, we've got, this has to be a presidential fight.

I don't know if it is, but it's a fight we can get through.

I like the idea of the sun.

It's better.

But we're going now, because, as I say, little fires flare up every day and so forth.

Remember, that's all they are, little fires.

Cook, Christ, there's another fire tonight.

You know, we moved yesterday.

They canceled their errands when they were going to D.C. That's what they would have had.

And that's just... What did he do?

He didn't do something.

He didn't do a favor.

He had a meeting with the family of Stans down in Texas.

He took a call from Dane.

Dane?

Well, something better happened.

I think Dane is deeper in a lot of this stuff.

Well, he's been linchpinning with everybody around the circle.

And that's why he's so desperate.

And that's why he keeps abolishing the jobs now.

Well, he'll spare us a lot on the way down.

I told him on March 21st, oh, this is just, you know, they're trying to backmail the White House.

The president did not act on all of it early by that time.

Of course, he didn't think he should have done it.

I heard the fact that he didn't do anything to check this movie.

Well, he's full of shit.

And it was right then that we began everything, you know what I mean?

That's the whole point.

The trigger is, thank God he's hurt.

Thank God he's hurt.

Just think what would have happened if the whole thing had come up and blown up in our faces without having done anything, you know what I mean?

Without my conducting an investigation, having been in any way.

I must say, it moves that hellish much.

Oh, yes, they have.

Yes, they have.

When you come right down to it, my announcing on April 17th that I was going to do that, I had conducted my own investigation and to be required.

That's my announcement.

than making a television speech on the whole of America.

That's still happening.

It basically retains, it reassures your friends a little.

But do you think that's what the essential thing is?

It doesn't satisfy your enemies, it just puts their appetite.

Nothing satisfies their appetite.

You don't have to do any of that.

If we ever put that aside, you have too much right.

They've just been so badly brutalized over four years of being wrong.

Yep.

They've lost.

They've lost the people.

The whole country turned around and precipitously...

The country turned away from the Great Society.

It turned away from the obsession about the blacks.

It started to turn away from the crime, drug syndrome, the dirty Louise of Teller.

It turned away from...

you know these same thing i mean it turned a little character that's what really kills these people

Well, you know, did you get it?

You're sure he wants to fight it through.

I don't want him to set us up for saying, well, I can't do the job and then leave us there without an attorney general.

If so, I can move Linda.

You know, the other guy got mine at the moment.

I don't think he's going to sense that.

I do not sense it.

As a matter of fact, he knows that there's no other job for everybody but to do these demonstrations.

We're going to build this job.

See, he knows that.

That's quite obvious to anybody when it's a demonstration.

And I think he's going to make it.

I think Guy McLean's charge is over there today that they're going to see that God damn it, he's done all that could be done within reason.

They aren't taking the claim, they keep panicking because of it.

They want these hearings to get going.

That's what this is all about.

And they want the grand jury to be the way it will go.

There's a lot of, there's collusion in this.

I think there's collusion between the grand jury and what's down there too.

Now they could have gotten this goddamn grand jury here and talked.

They don't need to take this one out.

That's how it's served.

Now I think there's collusion.

or the conspiracy basically yes but after all we still have this office and they've got to remember that we're going to use it to the extent that we can i just saw a sign in the poll which is coming into you that god one of your foreign policy

Your popularity has soared beyond anything we've had during the month of May.

Over and above equal.

Everything else has been down.

Well, to the next extent.

To the next extent.

And then Watergate.

And Watergate.

Yeah.

Although they don't make money as much as sending it to the others.

No, it's not in there, but it's affecting the economy.

But these people, no American kids are not working.

What they care about is their own country.

Well, if they do somehow, you've got to realize that these roads and the roads are supported and so forth, and you can expect the gallows to rest all the fights, because basically they want to fight each other.

But screw them.

I say, God damn, I'm about to close this post.

That isn't what we're here for to watch the race.

We're here to do our job.

We've just got to have enough confidence in ourselves.

And therefore, the common reaction of just, wow, we're just going to get out there and sweep clean and so forth.

You see, I just, if you've got to do it now, I don't want to sit here and do anything.

Because I don't ever, you know, ever intend to do nothing.

There's other important things to do.

So I thought I'd come in the morning.

And?

Yes, we thought that's true, yeah.

Excuse me, I didn't realize you were down there.

I was watching.

Ron Seward just started to take questions.

Mr. Garvin was taking questions before that.

Oh, before that.

Now, Len Garvin is in Ron's office.

He would wish to see him.

Oh, no, I don't think so.

Thanks very much, sir.

I think you did a fine job.

I don't think Ron will take questions.

I told him that we ought to change that news briefing.

He should go Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, and on Tuesday and Thursday, have a briefing on an issue.

You know what I mean?

I'm not very sure of that, but you don't have to have the White House press secretary up there digging every day to screw these people.

We are allowing us to get beaten and be dragged over and kicked around like it's unbelievable.

And some of those indictments are where I'm going to start going out there.

I'll tell you a few times.

Well, that's right.

I can't do it now, nor can we do a lot of things that, you know, offenses and charity.

Oh, not tonight.

Not tonight.

We're going to be ready.

And the minute that's done, well, I tell you, we've got to be off and running.

And we will be.

you see i have a feeling that it accommodates the whole room i mean you think about names john burns and maybe he'd be a good man to have around here sometimes you know you say get a good gray hair then half the time the question is how the hell do you care you know what i mean that most of them are wasting your time

we could be we could use basically what we could use basically is a hell of a strong deputy for you that's what i think which is basically what i would call if you had if you had a guy that could do a safer job then they have the safer areas and i wouldn't call him your deputy but a guy who could take the crap stuff you know the kind of stuff that you

You see, you're basically, you've got the maturity, the strength, the everything to be the chief of staff, and that's what I want you to be.

And you've still got bad people on your hands and so forth and so on.

Therefore, you must not be involved in the day-to-day stuff about .

And it's very important to develop a PR strategy.

That's not your job.

You can contribute to it.

But the point is, you've got to have somebody just thinking about it all the time.

At the present time, we've got people rattling around.

I mean, we can write to the memorandum.

Christ writes in the memorandum.

you know, and Ziegler and so forth.

But Ziegler, that would be superb if we had somebody who could do his job out there.

Well, if you were going to move in that direction, you decided to.

I am confident about the Asian man.

I say that because he has the courage to stop you.

He is also damn good.

He stood for us on the last spring when that got in.

Southeast Asia started to flow.

He stood great.

He really was a magnificent soldier.

He's got all the runs, Moxie.

He's even more articulate than Ron.

He doesn't have runs.

I think that's cold.

He's got a dedication for you.

No, he's not an extrovert.

You will not get that.

I don't want any of those back there.

Huh?

You know where he came from.

He's not an extrovert.

On the other hand, he's enough of a problem.

But that ain't the land.

The fact that he's doing this would be damn good.

If he decides to move, actually.

I don't think we're in any hurry to make that decision.

We've got to be absolutely sure that Ron is alive early.

And I have to tell you, that's a tough one to make.

I don't think he is.

The problem that I have is having him alive early.

So they say he's alive early.

Or they may say you are.

Or that Henry is.

I'm sure.

even then you know what i mean they're not they're trying to run us all out of town now that's what i got them to hell you can't do that that's the reason i'm all of them earlier it was a closer call that it needed to be due to the fact that part of it was that they were trying to run them out of the town because they were attacked and they did but they were right they went you agree

If they had been in their jobs, and then Walter's testimony had come out, I think it would have been an honorable move.

I hope to God they say something about it.

I don't think they're going to do it.

And I guess over to Christ and Colby as well.

Colby and Schlesinger should stay miles away from the Holy Church.

And if you ask about the Mennonites, they do not have much agreement.

They could say, no, sir, it was his own private, it had not been done to file his own private recollections of things.

See, he said on Elms, Christ said, Elms already read this stuff.

He just did it.

He didn't want to touch it, apparently.

Celestin here is an actor.

In fact, he's no computer.

That's right.

So is Colby.

He's Colby.

Colby did read us now, right?

Colby still wanted the job?

He's gonna be.

You're gonna find he's very good, sir.

Yeah.

How did it go, what happened?

Goddamn, we've got a lot of other things that happened the whole time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Suicide seems too fast, too fast for your resolution to get out of it.

No funds for anything in the channel.

Sir, I just want to tell you something.

You get a lot of parking from the economy, from a lot of other people, which are standing out in the way, and really don't want to tell someone.

What is going to do this job is good, solid decision making at every step.

And that's what we've been doing.

Your appointments, how you do it, Dan, whether they call them musical chairs or what, in the long run, and it's already quite evident, these are the right men for the job.

Right.

That's what people see.

They see a stability.

and the solid ones, and the professionals.

And that's what she mentioned.

That's what she did the first four years and got in.

That's the way we should move.

And not succumb to any of your panicky... My feeling is that going for a big play and all that sort of thing really isn't there.

It's just not my...

I'm not going to do it.

My feeling is that we've got a competent man to stick with and play for.

Jesus, I guess if you have a couple of cherries in the concrete down there, some of those you should be able to wait.

I agree with you that we have a weakness in the defendant's office.

I know that he's been going down in the face of the defendants themselves.

He doesn't have a choice.

He is kind of as good as he is and he seems to want to die, but he's just not going to do it.

He's not going to do it.

Bring him in.

Bring in another person who, I don't know, maybe not as the head of the office, but

There's one place where you might want to find John Burns or somebody who would come in.

An old head like John Burns.

He was an old friend.

I don't know if he'd want to come in.

I've met Bryce.

He's... Well, if Bryce would come in and come back, it's a consoler to me.

I think Bryce would do whatever we asked him to do.

He's got to work.

He's got to...

He's got to know that it's all coming here.

No, that's the problem.

He could work out his retirement properly.

See, something like that, if you do, I think you need someone to open up some boundaries with him, with the help.

Price is a possibility.

I thought about it a bit about the crater.

You know, I didn't think we were going to keep that.

That's right.

So you probably didn't think about the devastation of it.

Why do you look at it like that?

We didn't think of it.

Well, I don't know if George Bush, but I didn't really think we were going to keep one of these.

Yeah, because the committee is important.

It's very important, and he's doing a great job.

He's really good.

He's standing up for you.

You know, one guy has really got a pain in the ass today.

You notice his response to me?

He said, what do you think?

I wanted to talk to you about that.

I want to go talk to him.

In the first place, he came into that cabin and he was almost gray in color and very, very thinner after him.

Because how he was there.

Obviously, he had a little red dress in that hair.

He was all for the present, but he knew what his career was going to be and what he was going to be doing the next four days or so.

Now, I just, uh, we've got to keep him constructive, too.

There's no goddamn reason for him to be running around like that.

I mean, you know, I think Mitch is the best.

But let me tell you, he doesn't have to go anyplace for other reasons.

He should have been told that.

But, uh, because he hasn't come through the clutch, you know, and he's a small man, a big job.

He was like, what, what did you tell him?

I mean, about what he does.

He can't have any specific, goddamn him.

He cannot have operational news on him, you know.

That's what I'd like to do, is tell him to get out and get busy.

We're engaged.

We work on the Congress.

We work on the end of the party.

And we monitor the active vice chairman of the domestic council and our policy issues, all policy issues and presentments.

But this idea that who reports their own, that's like you pick up the phone and you say, well, is he on?

Oh, shit.

God, he's a small, small, but he could do it in the first place.

He could.

But I do think it's not something you can ever overcome.

What are you talking about?

Well, that's what we had in mind, how we had an organization going.

The areas that we wanted to get into and how we were going to do it.

I kind of had a guess about it.

I came out and said, Henry, are you going to let us go over to Paris?

We're going to look hard this time.

He said, well, let's go, let me say what I was present, what I've always done, you know, with regards to what the Congress was like, and I, you know, I'm sure what I've done.

So basically, you know very well, we are in a present time, I decided that, I think I could mine, but if I were to start bombing the South Vietnam,

All hell would break loose with it.

No, we've got to take our ropes to Southeast Asia, Alan, at this point.

It's tough, but there is nothing we can do right now.

What do you agree?

You just have to do it anyway.

Thumb your nose up, but unanimous.

That's our service to humanity.

No, I think today it would be totally impossible.

On the other hand, it's not that black and white.

And I think, see the greatest part of this thing is not South East Asia, but China's perception of you and the American relationship.

And as we navigate it, we just can't afford to be totally raped out there.

And that whole thing is going to go south.

one of our conferences this whole attitude on the hill you see what you see american people supporting you in this poem as well