On May 16, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr., and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 8:45 pm to 9:33 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 920-013 of the White House Tapes.
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I think so.
I think so.
Yes, I do.
The main thing is we must keep our employees.
You know, I feel like this is what I'm trying to tell you.
Don't worry about it.
Oh, that's not really a thing.
You can't tell us.
No way.
Is there?
No way.
Absolutely no way.
I'm sure we're wrong.
Valleys across the street.
Oh, his office is downstairs.
No, sir.
No.
I don't want to, but I didn't want to get Glenn's notes all out, John.
Yeah.
There's more sense there than there should be for those things.
who left the planet.
I missed every fucking time.
I thought a lot about the, uh, Rick Bazzardi and... Oh!
Jesus, I can't imagine what we'd be doing out on the planet.
We wouldn't have made it this week.
This week we'd have been crumbling.
I'm not saying you like this today.
Or if it's been done, it's been done.
It's been done.
I think he was thinking of that in the context of a big smear.
He had no idea.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
We work it out.
Every time we work it out, it's finished.
It's finished.
You can't do anything you can't do.
It's finished.
Yeah, we have to realize they're not after Bob or John or Henry or Hank or Marcy or...
They're after the president.
Shit, that's what it's all about.
You know that.
We've got to wait and see what happens.
They proved them all wrong.
They finally destroyed us again.
Look what they're coming up on.
They don't...
They're really in a dilemma.
They're running out of time.
They're going to get you if you don't.
If you write it, it would be as well, but I have a feeling that the President or Captain is on the edge.
Well, see, that was a totally dishonest way to write that.
That's the best you can do.
Which is not really what I mean.
No, it's not.
Someone looks at me and says, hey, forget it.
He hates us, but I don't care.
because he had that fine sort of thing.
So, it came from Henry.
I know.
A hell of a lot came from Henry, huh?
And, you know, I didn't approve of it.
The only one that I said they were crap all the time.
I got him, and I said, God damn it, let's find him and kill some of his kids.
I said, it doesn't make any
in the context of decisions were made based on school had access and had reason to have been vulnerable in the context of a leak.
And if that situation coincided with a past record, then the question about
Henry's got to clear himself up on the sleep thing when he gets back home.
He's got to step out one day.
Now, he realized it last night.
He said, Dan, I'm going to cancel our trip and step out.
Oh, sure.
And I said, no.
That ended in the success of the Washington story, which was not that big.
The state was that big.
But he stayed his trip down to the country and then come back and clean Washington up.
It was ridiculous.
The President of the United States hasn't spent this time in the last almost two months.
It's confirming out very well.
Really?
There are no documents.
Apparently, Houston was wrong.
There was no document turning it on, the first one.
What is this document?
We've got the file.
That was from Haldeman, Telly, Houston.
The answer was yes, you had made the decision.
I don't know the way that .
Well, that is the same.
It represents the picture and the recommendations.
There was no action memoranda, though, to tell the people
business whatsoever.
And they've all checked.
Checked memories of people.
He did it by telephone call.
Who did the telephone call?
Houston.
Houston, apparently.
Oh, yeah?
You see, the Proceed to Detail is not described in all of its memorandum.
He said, instead of using the Proceed to Detail, you suggest that you use the one I explained to you.
If this doesn't work, come back.
Well, that was obviously to call him and tell him to go.
Right.
You know, that's not.
It was.
Subsequently, they were told no go.
They all got the message.
Was there a no go order?
Yes.
We've got people who remember the no go order.
Who?
We've got Bill Sullivan.
Oh.
and we'll get the details from him.
I should have had a lengthy conversation with him.
Well, Luke Tardello got the message he was out.
From all of them?
By all of them?
No sir, none of them got it from all of them.
Who did they get the note from?
Houston gave it to Sullivan, and Sullivan called everybody else.
He said, no, we're out of business.
Houston, I mean, Sullivan was furious.
They had convinced
of Hoover to go with it.
They had a two and a half hour meeting.
They had the decision.
He signed off.
They sent it in to you.
Unanimous recommendation.
You approved it.
It was unanimous.
No dissent.
Then, what I told is that Toast found out about it and got to Hoover.
Clyde Toast, right?
Clyde Toast.
He said, this will ruin your image.
Hoover then took his copy, footnoted it, scraped it missing, got the issue raised.
I think we may even have seen you.
They're under the impression he did.
I think he did, Your Honor.
And you suspended the operation.
That's the word they used.
You suspended the operation.
Where?
It was within two days of it being issued to the Vaccinate Reconnaissance Unit.
It just took a little reaction time.
Tulsa got to him, he came right back.
Some of them think he has notes that will give us the precise times.
But the whole thing was suspended immediately.
Before anybody made a first move.
Not even who else besides Solomon?
Solomon, Tordello's got the word.
And D.I.E.
got the word.
They're finding who talked to the fellas and get the word within two days.
Yes.
Yes.
Where Houston went to Sullivan.
Sullivan called arrest.
Sullivan called arrest.
Sullivan was a scribe for this operation.
He actually wrote that report.
Will Sullivan say that he said no go?
Yes.
Will he stand up for us?
Yes.
I believe he will.
Very important though.
Yes.
And we've got other witnesses that Sullivan called.
And Sullivan was curious.
Curious.
Oh, he was mad as well.
He finally got Noah Cutler up to speed, confessed Noah Cutler.
And that's when they raised the thing with Hoover.
And they went round and round, forward and go, until they called everybody in.
And that's when they came to see you.
And you assigned Houston.
And it went through, but it was no go.
But I remind you that all that was said was go.
Yes.
And in two days, it was turned off.
Two days, they tell me.
About two days, it was turned off.
Now, Luke Tordello remembers because he was called by Bill Sullivan and said, okay, we got the green light.
It's finally go.
He said, go to work, make it to this.
He said, it'll take us some time to reassemble.
the assets to do this, because they had dispersed the type of people that do this operation.
And so, Tordello said, okay, I'll start work on the list of targets, but I'm not going to send it to you until you get the assets in place and are ready to go, because then I want you to have an outdated list.
Well, before they ever assembled the assets or anything.
Back then.
So,
and said it's all off, it's suspended.
Lou's got notes on it.
All over the world.
What they're notes.
They have notes.
Yes.
Lou Torvello's got a note of everything.
He's in the business of taking everything from the president.
He's got it all.
All right.
Well, then, Judy, that's better.
Yes.
Yes.
So it was turned off.
Right off the bat, all three months.
Then what happened?
It never got off.
Now, the history goes on from there.
The question was raised subsequently, once or twice, and it never went anywhere.
I mean, to show that it wasn't going on, they actually made the fish again here and there.
They never really got a bite on it.
And they could never quite get a handle on it until Pat Gray responded.
Sure.
No, we can have a problem, but we can't close it.
We can't close it.
Pat went out to visit NSA and took four visits.
And he told Lou Cordello they were meeting with him.
He said, I understand we used to do some things for you that were very helpful.
Lou said, yes, that's true.
He said, I understand we've cut them off.
He said, I'd like for you to say, why the hell did they never go?
Well, Lou didn't know where all the guys sat around the table.
And he said, well, maybe some of your own people can take it.
But Lou finally told him, he said, I understand, told Scott to Hoover.
missing the screen because it would hurt his image.
One of the guys at the table verified it.
So then Pat said, well, I damn well think we ought to try to put him back.
We ought to review the situation, weigh the risk, the advantages, and see what's the...
They started that process.
Pat was putting back together the assets.
And
And then they thought that Pat was going to run with it.
It went about six weeks, Pat trying to reassemble the assets, because it was real rusty now since 1967.
And then I forgot what it was that happened.
that turned off the whole damn thing, that something happened with respect to Pat's appointment or approval or something of this type, was all dead.
So he's never gotten home again.
What is the situation then?
They said it's burglarizing.
No burglarizing.
No.
Then what in the hell was he doing?
He must be relying on something he got from Marge.
He said he didn't know what the hell he had.
You see, all these documents show is that there was an affirmative decision.
That's right.
That's all he has.
That's right.
And apparently he doesn't know.
How do we answer the fact that that was turned off?
We tell him once it was turned off, it was never done.
Yes.
And we'll have to check these logs and get the precise times.
But we can do that.
We'll get that right down.
I'll tell him to go back and work on his notes.
I won't proceed.
In the notes, get it within a matter of hours or days.
I don't care if it's 48 days.
So turn it off.
So turn it off.
Nothing was done.
Nothing was done.
Is the plan, Mr. President?
Yes.
Approved.
I don't need to approve the goddamn policy.
I need to approve.
Yes.
Yes.
And I talked to Bob again, and Bob just doesn't remember.
And we're talking about things that were done in 1967.
Yeah, they were done up until 1967.
That is correct.
We had one income at this time, Mr. Russell, in that document.
It was previously done.
not recently, not as recently as 67.
And that was a black job, black, black job on internal security targets.
Now, we both know how that system was.
That was done where?
No, sir.
Thank God.
Was not done there.
But we both know how that system worked.
And how Hoover, in the early days, Hoover participated.
Yep.
In the later days, I know,
Just from dealing with it.
In some respects, but not many.
I think you've still got to watch.
I agree thoroughly that we've got to let Irvin leave this thing.
I've already had some help.
He's already put it out.
Have you?
Like what?
Oh, let me think of the names.
The guy, Justice, ran this committee for Bob Martin.
That's all.
He's got complete records.
They didn't do anything.
I've talked to Marty.
Bernie Wells.
Bernie Wells actually ended up in that committee when he wrote his first paper through his last paper.
First paper was on the...
Right.
That was a later effort.
So that one was not a successive effort.
It was something entirely different.
And he was clean, completely clean.
But Bernie Wells, he had a phone call.
I've gotten threats of several other inquiries around town that make it very clear that they have an inkling of this.
I think we want to let him get out on a limb.
I don't think we should move first.
No, sir.
I agree.
Why should we move first, though?
I think it's important.
If, when they move, you're going to use national security grounds, this is justification, for not releasing this document, for the damage it would do.
It would protect them.
And this is the reason you're worried about the CIA.
But that's why there was a document and there was an operation that was never...
But since your argument is on national security grounds, you sure don't want to be the one that exposes the operations.
I know.
Let them do it.
They'll do it.
Yeah, but again, my point is we've got to get across very fast the fact that it was very important that this was basically a policy paper.
But I think we have to let them get out on the map a little bit.
We have to be prepared.
We must monitor all this information.
That's right.
And I think, quite frankly, we're going to have a hard time making it safe.
Yes.
Yes.
I think we'll be able to get witnesses out of together.
We've done this before.
Um, well,
Dean, curiously enough, probably doesn't know what's going on.
Because he's probably trying to learn about his alarms at times.
I don't think he really knew about it.
Do you know what I mean?
That's the part that's supposed to be.
He didn't know about it.
He said, I don't know what it was.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I didn't realize it was important to the issue.
So what your plan is to have Buchanan still write something on it?
Yes, sir.
I think as soon as we can get them all back, get them nailed down, then we start writing.
Right.
What I thought, though, that the security reasons because of this, that the plan that was submitted to the president wasn't submitted through this group.
What we want to lay out that he came to you with the unanimous recommendation.
He came down with the unanimous recommendation.
The agency's involved.
That's true.
From all the evidence we have at this point, I'm sure they think that they have more than 30 years.
I really think so.
Go ahead.
I really think so.
Irving is simply the cat that swallowed the cat here right now.
I think it's a good idea.
I'm sure they were killed.
No.
I don't think he believed us.
Just lay back.
I don't think he believed us.
Lay back.
Well, that shows the total irresponsibility of this committee.
They could have found out that this was an operation.
It's unanimously recommended.
This group, it was .
This group, it was .
This group, it was .
This group, it was .
This group, it was .
This group, it was .
This group, it was .
Now where are our witnesses on that in Massachusetts?
Clarksville will be the witness.
Yeah.
Phillip.
Clarksville will be the witness.
Phillip.
Yeah.
Saul and Ray.
Right.
And Ray will know.
And Carter.
And Carter.
First off, no.
Carter won't know about this plan because he wasn't there.
Tyler will know.
He said it.
Yeah.
Noah and Tyler will know.
Bennett.
Bennett.
Don Bennett.
But is he going to turn it off?
They all got it by a telephone call from Sullivan.
That's right.
But Sullivan's not .
Yes, we should make our best work.
If you'll do it.
And if you'll do it.
And somebody's agency that we haven't located yet.
What?
Someone in the agency.
We don't know if Bill Sullivan called in the agency to come to.
And Sullivan turned it off with great, shall we say, discipline, right?
That morning she
What do you suggest?
I want to get all my facts recorded, precise, and 10,000.
I want to bring Bennett and Geiler in and give a direct interview with them.
Sure, Geiler's on the subject, of course.
Well, Bennett's in Korea.
I think so.
Let's get it nailed out.
Let's knock the shit out of this.
Knock the ball right out of the park.
See, this is not related to the other floor, right?
It's not related to the Kroger version.
It's not related to the other thing.
This is a totally different thing.
Which is very important for us to bear in mind.
That's true.
Well, the recollection of Houston was right.
He thought it was turned off.
He thought it was turned off.
He thought he did it by memo, but apparently he did not.
He has been able to find it.
And he said that was just his recollection.
But Sullivan clearly recollects Lex.
Yes.
Sullivan recollects calling, but others recollect, no, recollects receiving a call from Sullivan.
That's right.
Yes.
And within 40 hours or so after receiving a call.
Thank you.
In two days, he's going to look for himself.
So what we have here is people got together and made a recommendation to the president to be approved.
And then two days later, for further consideration, it was disproved.
All right, let him make a hell of a lot of money.
Just let him try.
Yeah, he approved.
This is a policy.
This is a policy.
It's very clear.
I'll take the procedures whenever you want.
Yes, sir.
Yes.
Thank God.
I'm fortunate.
Thank God.
Yes, sir.
But I approved procedures.
You approved the policy.
There were no procedures set forth.
For the burglary, I approved the burglary.
You approved it.
You approved as a policy of specific target.
It was done before 67, until 67.
You just make that very clear.
Now, the return to procedures that it has done before, that's very good point of credit with the memorandum here.
The request was whether the return to procedures would be reached before the year 1967.
Or until the year 1967.
Until the year 1967.
We'll get the exact date of the return.
The various agencies have met and unanimously recommended that there be a return to procedures.
The president approved a policy paper that would have effect.
And then within two days later, because of the objection,
I think because of that we're going to have a greater problem
executive privilege as it relates to water games.
Now, let me explain what I mean.
As I've mentioned earlier, we have examined carefully the cases to see what analogy would be drawn by the court in all probabilities with respect to the scope of the privilege which a court would recognize.
Those offenses
or those matters that would deal directly with a crime or the element of a crime, the court will not recognize.
Now, if it goes beyond that, they may, depending on how close it is.
That's what we'll have to deal in a way.
I think that the court,
Because of this, and I think it will be controversial, I frankly think we don't have much credibility at this point in time.
I'll be honest with you, to go talk to these people, I'm not believing it.
My word to most of the people here is it's not worth a damn at the moment.
I think because of this attitude,
that we're not going to find ready the acceptance.
I think that Senator Urban is going to claim a covering up.
I think he's going to push it hard.
As a consequence of which, the court is going to be influenced to narrow the privilege.
with reference to john's tapes of conversations where he was asking questions
He says, you asked him to query people to find out information.
This was in late March.
And actually, they're good from your standpoint.
Well, it takes from me to him.
He takes me.
No, sir.
He takes his conversations, most of them.
He takes the particular one in question, the one I'm seeing, is the one where he called Dick Clampett and asked him,
Did you have any evidence of this?
This was in late March.
Late March.
That's correct.
I agree.
I agree.
But, holding these documents right now,
We're going to end up, the only way you can do it is to take personal custody.
And you're going to be in the box of court order.
I think that'll give you more damage than anything.
So I think we're going to have to give them this.
I think we've got to be ready with an explanation.
John now has an explanation.
In his notes that he's found of the Walthamson, he says he has clear recollection of the meeting now.
found notes of it, where the whole purpose of the meeting was to deeply explore the CIA, whether they had any involvement, and make them talk to Pat Gray.
It was the Pat Gray's decision, but to talk.
And the concern was the CIA was involved at that point.
Because we thought they were.
Because you thought they were.
And he doesn't.
He said there was a clear belief that CIA was in the funnel.
And I don't know what the circumstances were, was based on what that base was based on.
But there it is.
So I think John can take care of it.
I think because of this,
We've got to go into that and give them as much as we can to deal with this.
I think where we clearly see high probability the court will not recognize the privilege.
Let's ask you on Walters.
Why does Walters have to give
Why did he take his MemCon and say, I'm taking national securities without being arrested?
No, sir.
The district attorney's office will not accept that.
However, they say down there that they will take any national security stuff out.
So I've been through the argument with them.
They couldn't hold this damn thing in the Oakburg trial.
Before it was ever taken,
They lost it off.
The judge took the classified documents, put a break.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
Yes, we have to be prepared to answer that.
And I think what I really don't think we have a choice, Mr. President.
They're not presidential papers.
They're pretty far removed.
I think the court would not allow the privilege.
But Walter, of course, has to supplement it by his own testimony, doesn't he?
That's all he has to say.
We're going to have to discredit the son, which I think was subjectively influenced by the son.
By the son.
He thought the whole purpose of this.
He thought more than her and the rest of me.
That's what he thought.
Can't they serve them this day?
Because I'll check with them three times and they've heard me one time.
Well, too bad.
They've taken so much that they won't serve it tomorrow.
We'll take, we'll stay.
We'll survive.
We'll survive.
Remember what's happened on the Exile Mass?
What?
This kind of pressure you're talking about.
Yeah.
We've got the pressure off us.
I saw it today.
they're going to take it before the judge.
You know, John Wilson thinks they won't take it before Sirico because Sirico will have to disqualify himself because John Wilson represented in another case.
Take the question.
Walden documents and John Irving's
I don't like that.
They're not presidential papers.
They're pretty far removed.
I think the court would not allow the privilege.
But Walton, of course, has to supplement it by his own testimony, doesn't he?
That's all I have to say.
I wish we were going to have to discredit the son of a bitch.
I think we're subjectively influenced by the son of a bitch.
That's what he thought.
Can't they serve them this day?
Because I'll check with them three times if they hurt me one time.
Well, too bad.
Big thing.
If they take us to lunch, it doesn't make much difference anymore.
We'll take, we'll stay.
We'll survive.
We'll survive.
Remember what's happened down the Exile, Max?
What?
This kind of pressure you're talking about.
Yeah.
We've got the pressure off us.
I saw it today.
But when is it going to come to a point of being condemned?
About day after tomorrow.
That soon?
They're going to take him before the judge.
You know, John Wilson thinks they won't take him before Sirico because Sirico will have to disqualify himself because John Wilson represented him in another case.
I believe you.
But that means they're going to take him before the judge.
Take the question.
I'd like to follow up on our Walters.
Walters documents and John Ehrman's.
conversation.
Thank you.
I mean, he uses the games up on me.
He got the uses on me.
Well, the court hasn't approved it yet.
Well, he hasn't accepted it.
He hasn't accepted it.
He hasn't accepted it.
He hasn't accepted it because the court has to approve it before they can make the offer firm.
I have been told that he will accept it.
His counsel believes that if he gets on that stand and can testify, there's been a lot of business with judges around here.
visiting with various judges.
The judges are pretty unanimous that if they have this television case, this television hearing, there's not one case that will ever stand up against anybody.
So what do they all mean?
Do they want it?
Dean wants them to go on.
He wants his chances.
Spread it all over there, as much as circumstances as possible, so he will
jeopardize his own trial.
Because he figures by what he says there, he'll make it broad enough to taint any evidence they subsequently try to use against him.
What about others?
Well, he's hoping the others will testify too.
So that their evidence will be tainted too.
He'll try to taint it all.
And he thinks he may taint all cases.
I'm pretty welcome to this.
None of the trials will stand up.
if the hearings go their route.
But the critical thing, Mr. President, is it's the hearings in which you'll be tried, not them.
They'll get off, but the hearings will be used against you.
Because they're trying you in public offense.
Sure.
So that's our problem with the hearings.
Sure.
You know, if you weren't in it, it would be fine.
You want to spill our guts?
You want to spill our guts in the hearing?
No, sir.
No, sir.
I say the hearings might protect the others.
And if you weren't involved,
I'd say, let them go their merry way with their circus and call all the cases.
But my concern is, do you want to stop the hearings?
Because you're my father.
It's to get them to die.
That's true.
Well, as I told you, where he is, he says, not before the end of the month.
And I frankly, in looking at it now,
I'm wondering if he's going to get many indictments.
I think.
Really?
I'm doubtful.
I'm doubtful if he will.
The special prosecutor might, depending on who it is.
You know, you can't induce a jury.
You can't go that far.
I'm waiting for this jury.
From an evidentiary standpoint, I don't believe they have a prime facing case now against Bob, John, Chuck.
Really?
I don't believe they have.
Not Bob or John?
I don't believe they have a prime facing case at the moment.
Against which one?
I believe they have.
Against Rue or Curtis?
Rue.
Dean?
What Dean would they go against?
Dean?
Well, they could indict him nevertheless.
I suspect they've got a case against Sloan, but I don't know what they're going to do again.
On Fox.
Well...
But from what I heard from them today...
They've got to repair the heat valve and the water in the ramp.
That's what it is.
Well, I think he is transferred there already.
It is.
The implication is on there now.
The implication is on there already that I, that the court, that they all say, all of them heard him when they told him to text the case.
Do you not agree?
No, I agree.
That's the implication.
That's the implication.
Where's the implication?
Well, it's memorandum.
Yeah, but, you know, it's early.
Really, grossly, did they respond in three weeks to these deemed documents.
And we move in as large.
I take it we strengthen the case.
We have.
We have.
We have.
Well, Al, it depends on time factors.
If we can have the time and we can get him far enough out of him, get rid of Sawett on hard, and make the case stay,
And literally force the call witnesses on that thing.
You know, this diverges things too.
I'd like to see us, I hope, frankly, I hope he uses the information early.
Yes.
Because I'd like for him to wear it on the left.
At that point, we can get people demanding to get into this.
That will put that government
Man, we'll lay him on the stand.
We'll put those witnesses on him.
We'll tie that committee up for several weeks, running him off this particular judgment.
And his credibility will be with him.
And it will.
And he'll flog on his first major issue.
And we'll beat him on that first major issue because of it.
Now if we can get in there and do that, you know, and work the time,
Get into that committee at that point.
Then we got a little more.
Well, what we have to do is to be ready.
So let's get.
We have to be perfect.
We will.
See you at the chair.
Remember that the situation was a hell of a lot better today.
They did a four o'clock.
They did a four o'clock.
I thought they'd probably be fucking everybody, murder everybody.
Well.
They haven't done a goddamn thing.
That's true.
They haven't done it.
I didn't think we'd done an awful lot.
You thought they might have done something?
I thought somebody might have done something.
I know the intelligence community, but...
The bureaucracy is where they should have.
That's thanks to them at the moment.
Remember who it is?
Yes.
They didn't do it.
That's what it is.
They didn't do it.
What did this judge do that came in January with the president?
He presided over a kind of departmental committee, which all of them managed to
was a coordination group.
Hoover had cut off liaisons to everybody but the White House.
The only place they had liaisons at was here.
They cut it off to all the other nations.
This was a device that was set up so there could be liaisons and the people could talk to each other from the Bureau without Hoover cutting their heads off because he couldn't afford to get them from going to the Arizona Committee.
That's, that's what this committee turned out to be all about.
But I have expressed at the base of their conversations that this docket here that is in the so-called Dean's Firehole, within two to three days they're after, orally by assault, and what he will still say, and there, at least there's one witness that you know that heard it.
Yes, sir.
He said, it's no good.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
And I'm convinced we'll turn up with others.
And additionally, we have Houston, who said, don't go.
You know, he told me what's turned off when I first talked to him.
DIA says the same thing.
Now, they're pinning down who talked to who so we can find the live witness.
I suspect it's Don Bennett.
Some of them have heard it.
But they're pinning it down.
I think we'll have to call Don Bennett back.
I'm sure Noah Goller is aware of all this.
Well, guys, I was hearing from all of us yesterday.
We've got to get him back.
He should be here.
And then, what's your thought?
No, there isn't a reason to come.
Anyway, he's got to be at the field.
He's got to get a dinner.
Yes.
On the 24th.
So let's get that or he has to back here right away.
Boy, he stands up.
Or else.
You know what I mean?
No, of course not.
Is that where he should get back?
Get Ben back?
Yes, sir.
Well, I might have to go to the field to get a dinner.
Good.
Fair enough.
He's a great cherry boy.
Okay.
All right, let's go.
Well, thank you.
Have a day.
You know, I think one thing I'm going to say is I think it's a perfect second for us to let go of the water.
It's not bad.
It's not bad.
I think we take a little time.
If these bastards fall into this trap, then that's what it's gonna be for.
We'll climb the roof and they'll never come in.
Then we're in a courtroom situation that's entirely... You know, it's just gonna be dry in there.
But look, that is where the waters are.
I don't want to be a hell of a bad story, but people, we just come right out and blast this shit.
You know, I don't know.
I don't know how we're gonna live with it.
All right.
I know it's terrible.
I just had a depression there.
Take our time.
I agree.
Don't do it today.
Okay.
Good night.