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Good morning, sir.

Hi, how are you?

Fine.

Have a nice day.

Hope you're doing good, like I said.

Yeah, well, let me ask you about these rails.

Thank you.

I didn't mean to have to see them for your program.

Yes, sir.

I was going through this.

All right.

Better way to go on the thing.

I didn't prefer to.

Nothing but you and Drew.

Sweet, can I get a guest alert?

No, I think our best bet is to give them a sign.

I didn't know.

It's okay.

You know, we always have all kinds of stuff.

Yes, sir.

Yeah.

I talked to Elliot this morning and he thinks this thing's on sale.

Oh, I...

He's a very respected, able, and has a certain element of efficiency.

That's right.

I don't think he's the smartest guy in the world.

He's not that smart?

No.

He's got a good reputation for

That takes care of that at least.

It takes care of the little problems.

Yeah, we've got Helms in there.

We'll talk to him and be sure he's up in good shape.

He seems to be.

How does he stand at the moment?

Where do the papers stand?

We've gotten all the way through, uh, into the plumber's night, and thus far we're...

Uh, I'm sorry, my man.

What is this action regarding the revelation of the publication of the...

Nothing's come out.

Other than a little run-in from Sonington, which he did before we acted yesterday.

And it hasn't been picked up very much.

Everyone's focused on the TV service room.

Uh, the TV service isn't that bad at all, I mean, uh, when you come to think about it.

What I mean is, oh, I mean, it's cramped.

I mean, that was terrible, but...

It's not...

It's not really the size of any crate.

No, that's right, uh...

And people, you know, some of these witnesses point to that kind of thing, but they sound like they've just, uh...

Departed.

Yes.

I mean, I've seen something kind of, uh, difficult in the environment and, uh, this is really a forte of the animal, right?

Well, I mean, people may end up on the side of the bunkers.

Yeah.

And there's, you know, what's happening now is that these kind of things

Democrats, uh, who have every controversial decision that's been made in the past four years, that bastards are trying to throw back into the hopper from Ravine and Chrome all the way to... Are they?

...Vita Dom, and, uh... Well, it's pretty hard to throw prisoners back.

That's... That's... That's... That's right.

That's right.

I, uh...

I...

But it's still working on the FBI's end.

Carl Farmer called me last night and said, you know, Lyndon Johnson wrestled with the same problem, and they were trying to get Hoover out.

They knew it was done.

And he said, if they had settled on the military, that is how political.

That's what I'd like to know.

And I talked to Richardson.

He said, you know, we have a

No, that's right.

And people, you know, some of these witnesses are pointing at that kind of thing, but they sound like they're just, uh... Departure.

Yes.

I mean, I've seen something kind of, uh, difficult in the environment, and, uh...

It's just really a forte of the animal, right?

Well, I mean, people may end up on the side of the bus.

Yeah.

And just, you know, what's happening now is a piece of goddamn...

Democrats, uh, who have every controversial decision that's been made in the past four years, that bastards are trying to throw back into the hopper from Ravine and Chrome all the way to... Are they?

...meet his arm, and, uh... Well, it's pretty hard to throw it for the respect.

That's... That's... That's right.

That's right.

I, uh...

I...

I've been still working on the FBI, and then Carl Farmer called me last night and said, you know, William Johnson wrestled with the same problem, and they were trying to get Hoover out, and they knew it was done.

And he said, if they had settled on the military, that is how political.

He said, you know, we don't know.

He messed it up.

I mean, his affidavit is different from his Mephicon, which will come out.

Well, of course, and he's got a perfect answer.

His affidavit deals with what he knows.

His Mephicon covers your situation.

Is that what he said?

How did he tell us?

What did they make of him?

Apparently very good.

Richardson said, boy, he's just as...

He's an amazing man.

And you know, he had a military police background.

That's where he started.

He's got all these comments...

The only problem I see with him is that...

I've never seen anybody that's even touched water before.

Yeah.

Well, I...

Think of another military man.

Any guy of your age and all and so forth.

By God, you're right.

Military man.

One that has worked with both parties and...

I don't, yeah, I don't think so.

You know, it's the hardest post-colonization.

Carl Farmer called me last night and said, you know, Lyndon Johnson wrestled with the same problem, and they were trying to get Hoover out.

They knew this.

Yeah.

And they said, if they could settle on the military, that is top political.

He said, you know, you know,

It's a mess, honestly.

It's messed up.

Yeah, it's messed up, but it came out.

It's very good.

All we did then was, like, his, his, his, uh, I'm not saying, though, that they're not party-on sorts.

Some of that was, like, the, you know, just the military man who there did good work.

He cleaned out some of the beds.

He cleaned it out.

We had to fire all those second-line people to get it out.

One man that would be very good, uh, is, is this Phil Stilwell that we went with?

Uh, Phil Stilwell.

He's a hard-working, hard-charging guy.

How old is he?

He's about 51 or 52.

Thank you.

The other thing, he must be older than that.

He's older than that.

He's about 56.

Well, I think he is his name.

But we don't need every three losses.

Stillwell, I don't think we want him to.

Stillwell is the man that I would prefer.

I think the idea of...

And second, it must not be an emotional appeal to the country.

I mean, their country's got to be relevant and all that.

But you see the problem I have with this thing.

These hearings are going to go on and on.

You and I, now, you and I, I, I have this idea I need us to, what somebody needs us to say.

I have the idea as to what somebody is going to say.

I don't want to have a situation where I speak now, then they'll say, a month from now, I'm going to make sure to come out.

She did this for the president.

She resigned rather than me.

I don't want to have a situation where I speak now, then they'll say, a month from now, I'm going to make sure to come out.

So they say, what you've got to say, Mr. President.

I don't know, maybe change your mind.

No, I haven't changed my mind.

I don't know why she did this party to the president.

She resigned rather than be impeached.

So they say, why'd you have to stay, Mr. President?

I don't think you should.

What I do is, is we meet the leaders, and I'll take them, I don't know, for an hour and a half to do them.

That's the way to do it.

And I'll lay it all out there, and I'll change your mind.

No, I don't think you should.

What am I doing here is, and if this maker's gone out and calls, I ask for your support on this.

And that's why this is involved.

I was not involved in the goddamn water game for this.

It's been with the leaders, and I'll take them home for an hour and a half to two and a half.

And I lay it all out there, and I'll say, here it is.

It touches this.

That's why the CIA became involved.

You know, they are saying, if this maker's gone out and calls, I ask for your support on this.

You know, they are investigating.

You know, I had to announce, in fact, I had to announce, remember I said, let's not make a decision about the way I was going to make TV.

That's exactly right.

How does that sound to you now?

The TV thing is much, much better.

All I can do is just type it all together.

And, uh, point at the country I believe.

No, I haven't announced anything.

In fact, I haven't announced the weather.

Remember, I said it right in the right time.

That's not making a decision.

About the way on, maybe across Congress a little later.

But if I get to get into a situation where I go on prime time and put my TV, uh, the TV thing is not a huge deal.

What are we going to do is just keep on doing everything now.

What are we responding to this time?

We're responding to whether we're going home or not.

And, uh, going into the country, I believe it was right, the IAEA was right, maybe across the country, well, we will take up the fact that whether or not the United States of America had a policy paper at one time, that's a little later, but if I get into a situation where I go on prime time, that had to do with, uh, uh, infiltration,

and respond to everything.

Now, what are we responding to this time?

We're responding to whether or not the CIA local groups and also, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

setting up within the White House, as well as they approved, with the Attorney General's going, whether or not the order in the United States of America had a policy paper at one time that had to do with troops going forward with tapping for national security purposes.

Now those questions are all subject to the issue that he has to ever respect.

uh, uh, infiltrating local groups, and also, uh, uh, and the answer, the answer, and I ought to, I ought to, I ought to put that out there, but I can't go before the country and put that over the conservative century.

And third, whether or not the United, whether or not the president of the United States is out there without their getting into a deal as well.

even worse than they are right now.

Now if you go on and say, I did not authorize the management crew setting up within the White House, as well as the approved government CEO.

I didn't authorize my CEO God damn well.

I mean, I'd be stupid to do that.

You also are writing what the Attorney General is going forward and Mr. Hoover is going forward with tapping for national security purposes.

I'd love to know that somebody could have raised it with me and did.

But you're all so well that they didn't offer it because I'm too, I know they can't.

I mean, I know those questions are all set up.

I mean, I don't know.

The answer is yes, with every respect.

And the answer, I mean, I was wondering if there was a new concept.

The answer would be it's a buy-off.

And you've got to, I don't know if it's going to happen with anybody else.

That's definitely, I've got my own basis and the recommendation that I'm there, but I can't go for the country.

put that whole issue back to the Attorney General and so forth and so on.

And again, it was good that the New Surgeon General did at least save my job there without their getting into a deal with White House.

Even over and over again, they personally are.

Now, if you go on, that was hearsay, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, okay?

But I mean, I'm not going to say I did not do anything where I met Walker, let's see, you know.

Of course.

That's exactly what Colston said, I'm sure.

So it is.

What else am I supposed to do?

Oh, I'm going to say aha to anybody else.

That's the basis of the recommendation of the Attorney General and so forth and so on.

I'm supposed to approve the payment of the funds to these attorneys.

That's the next charge, I suppose.

So, you've got to...

And again, it was good that it didn't do something.

I felt that at least they might have done it over and over again.

They said that was not a real debate at once.

Because I said to Bob and Paul, I said, you're all right.

He never told me about the tree.

He never told me about this year's thing, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Uh, I mean, I can't even comprehend where I'm at.

The cigarette that they launched into the compound, not that you hear that, I do not approve.

I don't approve.

Because both of them, I think there's that.

Our good will is here.

I think everybody knows that.

The president wants more things.

Again, their purpose was to provide a hearing speech for these guys.

That was their purpose, which it was.

We're going to go over to Stanford.

This is Jeff Rosen, for him.

You know, that's why they put David down here, the president.

At a later time, I was aware of the fact that we were being blackmailed by men through victims and so forth and so on.

I once did not know how to do anything about it.

I had to order.

Christ, that's the way out of that bottle.

Sure, sure.

The president wants us to press.

And that's when I began my investigation.

My dad said, how's that true?

I'm sure that I can speak for the president.

I know that I can get my word through.

And I know that I can speak for him.

I suggest.

So when you look at all that coalescence, I'm sure, what else am I supposed to do?

Oh, we've got to focus on the streets.

No, there isn't a hell of a white paper.

And it's not where I can talk to these leaders.

I'm supposed to talk to them through the payment of the funds to these events.

That's the next charge.

Oh, here we go.

particularly any of the national security or anything.

That's all I can bridge off to you now.

Bridging off to the other group.

So, I did not approve the payment of bonds.

As I said, I'm going to set up a hall of fame.

I'm not putting orders.

I'm not selling out blue grease with this approach.

It's the moment you do.

Ron, we've all seen your whole credit.

He never told me about the trees.

The genre of his credit.

He never told me about this thing.

The cigarette that they...

I don't think he ever said anything to you about launching a combat.

Not that he did that.

I would not approve.

I would approve.

Because both of them are good with...

But we're most anxious to do the honors, to get the facts together.

Who's the...

Who's working on it, is there anything I can do to help?

My plan today to get their purpose was to provide a hearing speech for these guys.

That was their purpose, which is to go to Camp David after I finished in Arlington.

What it was, that would be it.

At a later time, I was aware of the fact that we were being blackmailed by men through victims and so forth and so on.

I did not, however, do anything about it.

My dad's a gun manager.

But all of that coming out, you see, is going to require a period of time now to deal with that and so forth.

So when you look at all that coal and day, it's not intelligence.

No, it is a hell of a white paper, and it's something where I can talk to these leaders and talk to them cold-heartedly, particularly in the national security thing.

That's all I can bridge off of you now.

Bridging off of you.

Yeah.

I'm not putting words to it.

I'm selling out blue grease with this approach the moment you do.

That's it.

I don't think the other side would do.

What we're most anxious to do now is to get the facts together.

Who's working on it?

Is there anything I can do to help?

My plan today is to go to Camp A, but after I finish in Arlington, go up there for a task.

I think I should do that.

There's a task.

I think I should do that.

No, I think what we could do is, I think what we do is, I don't want anything to be looking at.

It's going to hurt more.

If I didn't find work, I'd all worry, you know.

If I got work, I got work.

For all you say, you're a soldier, so am I.

After all you say, you're a soldier, so why?

Yes, sir.

Now, I think we'll draw all this stuff together, and then there'll be some questions, right?

Yes, sir.

Now, I think we'll draw all this stuff together, and then there'll be some questions we have to be damn sure about, and then we'll check them around the board.

And we might have to ask you a question.

I want to hear all of the questions.

In fact, I want to go over the whole paper.

I'm going to go over all of the very characters.

And we might have to ask you a question or two.

I want to hear all of the questions.

I'm going to go over all of the very characters myself.

I want to read all.

I want to read the paper of these cards.

So I'm going to talk to them about it.

I can talk very boldly about it.

I have people talking about the paper of these cards.

So I'm going to talk to them about it.

Don't you?

I know I never know about it.

I can talk very culturally about it.

I can tell you strongly about it.

No, strongly about anything.

I think we've discussed it.

On these issues, Steve, particularly...

I feel I've never felt more strongly about anything.

I think we've discussed it.

On these issues, Steve, particularly...

Thank you.

Now, I mean, Walrus is supposed to be...

uh still well he's a great patriot i remember him he's hard he's got a strong when they drove the cia when they drove the cia everybody in this

Everybody in this goddamn thing at one time except the Caulfield.

At one time or another it was at one time except Caulfield.

And with the CIA.

At one time or another it was with the CIA.

Speckled over with the Bay of Pigs.

Obviously.

Speckled over with the Bay of Pigs.

Obviously, obviously, we heard it.

We said, oh Christ, we said, oh Christ.

Maybe you can see how angry he was.

And we just sent a man up there and said, we feel that he's a, he's a difficult, brought back to the organization, an honor, and so forth and so on.

He probably had intelligence activity.

He said, come on, we can't see where, we can't see, I mean,

He couldn't.

He was on loan with them for three years.

He's at the wrong age.

I don't think he worked on it.

Right.

He's having something to do with something.

Hanky Panky.

And, uh, and, uh, Mommy's the only one being good.

Yeah, I think it might be.

Mommy's the only one being good.

Yeah, I think it might be.

Is he terribly discouraged?

No, I'm terribly discouraged.

No, I, you know, I just got started in the discussion room, and I talked to him on the phone.

You know, I just got started, of course, but, uh, he didn't seem to have a discussion room, and I talked to him on the phone.

He's going to, uh, he seems alright.

He's, he's going to find a relationship, he's going to find a relationship committee on Monday.

Yeah, about what?

Committee on May Monday.

Call them up there, and they'll probably know.

Yeah, about what?

May's working over.

About this.

He thinks.

He thinks they'll work all of them up there, and they're not going to work them over.

Work them over on this.

You know, there's a competition up there, every community.

There's a competition up there, every community.

Fighting with every other community.

He's brought me a very careful pan.

What does he say?

He put Walter on board.

What do we want to say?

I don't know what he did.

Walter, does he say he put Walter on board?

What do we want to say?

Walter is a strength.

The Rockefeller report years ago.

Well, very good.

Put it down.

That's Robert's guys.

He wasn't.

And I think he said, well, there's over there.

He wasn't.

This is like a man in Iowa.

And I think he said, well, there's, over there, there's a second man in the final with a telescope.

And it was a natural, but the telescope, and it was a natural, but the director, the director, it's not, it's not focused.

It's not focused.

What do you need about poor Mark?

Oh, just lock her up.

What do you need?

I understand that she had her on television.

I don't know what it's for, but I ask that she look like she's ready to die.

The cage.

Let's see.

Mitchell, let the whole shop get out of place.

She says that the White House is involved.

Mitchell says that they're not getting around.

Mitchell's trying.

I don't know what is happening.

Mitchell, let them create again the weapons every time.

Not me.

I told Mitchell LaDroffe, the guy in the store, the whole shop got out of place.

And before he heard me, he said, he's a loyal follower.

Mitchell Simpson would not get in the ring.

Mitchell's traveling credit.

But there is the problem now.

There is the problem.

He's in the way.

And he has his allies at every time.

Not over here.

Mitchell LaDroffe.

Now, we have to wait until I have a sword before you hurt me.

He's a loyal Paul.

Certainly.

Will be.

Will be the Paul.

They're hurting the rest of the crowd.

He was part of the White House staff.

But the point is, Paul is the problem.

And he dealt with it earlier when we're not running the candidate.

It's his ally over here.

Interesting now.

Let us know your point.

The only other one that was getting beat.

Now, we had to recognize him.

If anything, the actual cover in this was Colson.

Yeah, he certainly was.

But Colson was not in one of the games.

At least, that's my summary of it.

We'll be in the ball for the rest of the round.

But the point is, all of them earlier were not running the campaign.

Now, that's my point.

Right.

The only other that was getting any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any,

You know, you have two possible lines.

You have two possible lines.

Either John was...

Either John was... Really awfully stupid.

Really awfully stupid.

Or any 30... Or any 30 general plots.

General plots.

And we did that.

Celebrated that.

Well, Richardson also suggested we might want to...

One of those panels that we knew would be responsive, but they couldn't recommend it.

No, no, no.

I don't think so.

No, no, no.

Well, I don't think there really is.

Well, I don't think really any of them were dishonest, do they?

In that sense, what the hell did any of them were dishonest, do they?

In that sense, what the hell did you get out of the Hebrew?

Goddamn, what the hell did you get out of the Hebrew?

Goddamn, money involvement, do they?

It really was a case of money involvement, do they?

It really was a case of, God, limitations on cases.

God, limitations on combat.

Incidentally, coming back from that, I cut through one moment to the... Incidentally, coming back from that, I cut through one moment to... You mentioned the whole crunch.

and so forth.

Now, there's any way we're supposed to do anything.

We're supposed to fight back.

I don't even have a deed to discuss it.

What do you think?

I don't think we should discuss it like that.

We should discuss it like that.

We should accept it like that.

It certainly surges.

It surges because it could be an air career.

It could be an air career.

And that's really what's...

Well, I don't think there's a... A firm, uh... Talk.

A firm, uh... Talk.

All scientists, uh, among the badly deceived... All scientists, uh... From the Armed Services...

Among the badly deceived... From the Armed Services Committee of the Senate...

There's where we're talking from, uh... Based on the men... From the Armed Services Committee of the Senate...

There's where we're talking from, uh... Based on the men...

There are always the kooks out in the way of the fellow officers.

There are always the kooks out in the way of the fellow officers and what have you.

But Stannis isn't talking about that, is he?

Stannis isn't talking about that, is he?

That's what we meant.

No, no.

That's what we meant.

Although he was passed in...

Disturbed.

No, no.

Although he was passed in...

disturbed because we haven't stood up in the history of women.

We haven't stood up in the history of women.

That answers some hard questions.

Hard questions about what the CIA did.

That answers some hard questions.

Wait.

Bazaar talked to him yesterday and he said that we were working on... Bazaar talked to him yesterday and he said that we were working on a full exposition of the things we can compile.

A full exposition of the things we can compile.

He's not, not just not, not just, he doesn't mean just, he doesn't mean just, I'm sure, I'm sure that, that Sarie, but he means the whole business of the traffic, I mean, I'll hear him, the whole business, that Sarie, but he means the whole business of the traffic, I mean, I'll hear him, the whole business, that he said, thank God, he said, thank God, he said, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,

You just have to do this, he said.

Our doubts being raised, that's normal.

He's a good administrator.

He was highly respected.

And I just think that they were there for no reason.

I think he had no problem getting in.

I think he'd do a hell of a job.

He was a supporter, and still is.

But, he was a supporter, and still is.

He's always, needs to be sure enough.

But, he's always, needs to be sure enough.

But, that's, uh, he gets to take his time.

But, if he would do it, he gets to take his time.

But, if he would do it, it's hard.

It's hard.

Yeah.

They haven't ever was.

He is unrighteous.

Ignatian.

You know, he's not as bad as Percy.

I find.

One of the hard things about the artist is self-revenge.

Let's not forget that.

But if you like him that much, then he must be patriotic to call you with that language.

Yes, he is.

Oh, he's gone.

He's gone home.

No, Bruce.

He's gone.

He's gone home.

Ben, let me ask the final question.

No, Bruce.

Ben, all I have to do is let you ask the final question.

All I have to do is you.

What do you mean?

I'm mad at him.

You're mad at what?

Well, I told him.

I told him to move.

You're mad at what?

Well, I told him.

I told him to move.

He has gun problems here.

Right.

And that we're, we have total confidence in him.

Right.

And that we're, we have total confidence in him.

Right.

I want him to get a little bit from P&L.

I want him to get a little bit from P&L when he thinks he's going to run.

He knows what jobs to do, that's the point.

He probably says full price to the quarterbacks.

He knows all the ways to be helpful to us at this time.

That's what he said.

He's out in the front attacking too.

He's in a far relation.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's out in a far relation.

What questions?

What problems we might have.

Does he?

Is he?

Sir, what problems does he have?

No, no, no.

Being...

No, the being made me a little bit more obscure made me a little bit more obscure when he got when he processed through the foreign relations committee processed through the foreign relations committee I don't know if they asked him any questions at that time on the

Yeah, called this kind of business.

But they may have.

Yeah, called this kind of business.

But they may have.

That's right.

was involved in the federal resources that this happened.

Hey, Christian.

That was his target question.

That's right.

That's his target question.

What the hell does he mean?

I didn't know that god damn equipment was coming over here to you.

That's the stupidest thing I ever heard of.

This is our employ.

Yeah.

Well, you know, that's a bad thing either, god damn it.

It's perfectly explainable if you had a security group, but... Yeah, I guess you're right.

They have the equipment.

This is the government.

Yeah.

The insanity's in there right now.

We're running for government.

It's the government.

But I want to be sure to stand for what we'll do.

Yeah, they could kill hundreds.

Why don't you speak for a while?

I'd like to speak again.

But now, just so we know before we start bleeding and how we feel now.

I know.

You and I have got to be two strong guys around here.

Because we're old enough.

You have no doubts about fighting this thing, Drew?

Well, I moved past that man a minute ago.

I've never had any doubts about it.

But I don't think he should go on this program on the television.

And he couldn't do just what had to be done at this time, which is to give a lot of detail and facts to a selected group.

No, I want to get into the white paper, and I want to get into it.

Do you think we should follow this paper?

Yes, I do.

I think...

I should call them in and say, look here.

Well, we'll know better if we run through...

The white papers.

And assuming that it's a good, solid base, we get the leadership.

And then I think there ought to be...

Concerned and broken.

And finally, would you be willing to breathe on white papers?

I would, sir.

I'm not sure it's a good idea on the feet of the water people, that's it.

I see.

I thought about it overnight.

But maybe just let it, let the cigarette breathe, then.

Well, all I don't want to do is to get neutralized.

Right, right, right, right, right, right.

We can't kill you.

What about Bazaar?

Is he good?

Yeah.

But you see, let me tell you the difficulty with the resolution.

First, a member must move it, it must be seconded, and then it's referred to committee.

Yes sir.

And that has to be considered by committee.

It could be any number.

It could be commissioners or town committee.

And the committee then must make a vote to move it to the floor, and then the next leader has to give it to a vote.

Now, the point that I made was this, even though I think we could

This is just another phase of the long battle.

We're fighting these elves.

Even the Watergate people, we're fighting bad people.

You know that.

Who was involved in the sense that it happened.

That was his target question.

That's right.

That's his target question.

I didn't know that goddamn equipment was coming over here, did you?

This is a hunt, boy.

Yeah.

That's a bad thing to eat there, goddamn it.

It's perfectly explainable if you had a security group.

I guess you're right.

They have equipment.

This is the government.

Yeah.

The insanity's in there right now.

Remember, it's the doctor.

But I want to be sure he's never vulnerable to it.

Yeah, but they could kill hundreds.

Why don't you speak in a while?

I'd like to speak again.

But now, just so we know before we start the weekend, how we feel now.

I know.

You and I have been two strong guys around here.

We're old enough.

You have no doubts about fighting this thing through?

Well, I knew that's not the end of this thing.

I've never had any doubts about it.

But I don't think you should go on this program, on the television.

Hey, you couldn't do just what had to be done at this time, which is to give a lot of details back to a selected group.

No, I want to get into the white paper, and I want to get into it.

Yes, I do.

I think...

I should call them in and say, look here.

Well, we'll know better if we run through...

The white papers.

And assuming that it's a good, solid base, we get the leadership.

And then I think there ought to be a...

Concerned or broke?

Concerned.

And finally, would you be willing to breathe on the white paper?

I would, sir.

I'm not sure that's a good idea.

I don't know any of the water deep things.

I see.

I've thought about it overnight.

But maybe just let it, let the cigarette breathe.

Right, right, right.

We can't kill you.

What about Bazaar?

Can you do it?

Yep.

Hey, my house.

You're talking to my house?

That's great.

You know, I was thinking about it a little bit.

Okay, well, actually, it seems every day that the horrible prices aren't beating around the bush.

But you see, let me tell you the difficulty with the, you know, the eye and what happens to the piece of resolution, if you point it out well.

One person, a member must move it, it must be seconded, and then it should be referred to the committee.

And then it has to be considered by the committee.

And the committee then must make a vote to move it to the floor, and then the next leader has to give it to a vote.

What that means is, even though I think we could win that,

Very, very well.

I know that they're down here clearing the air.

We said that Paul and Eric had cleared the air and so forth.

Nothing's done to clear the air.

Let me tell you what I feel now.

This is just another phase of the long battle, but we're fighting these elves.

You know that.

Who?

Yes, you're right on that.

We're fighting some very bad people out there.

We're all going to war.

We're all going to see this country.

We're all going to see this arms.

A hell of a lot of other things.

And that is what this battle is.

And we must stop thinking.

So, fighting it on their ground.

Fighting it on their ground.

You're great.

Alright.

I agree.

Cool.

You're really good with me.

Alright.

I agree.

Okay.

Cool.

Alright, let's start the game.

I'll be there.

I'll punch him in.

Alright.

I'll be there.

I'll punch him in.

Everybody's out in front of the check.

Not everybody, but a lot.

All right.

You think we're sitting under?

We've been working most of the night on this thing.

It's a tough job to put together, but you have to run it.

You can't wait.

Boy, you know after hours.

All the conversation I thought about last night, I'll make it.

I think the idea, first, it's got to be more, more detailed.

And second, it must not be an emotional appeal to the country.

I mean, their country's got to be relevant and all that.

But you see, the problem I have with this thing is these jurors are going to go on and on.

Now, you and I, I...

I don't know.

Have you changed your mind?

No, I don't think you should.

What my view is this, is we let the leaders in, and I'll take them home for an hour and a half to two of them.

And I lay it all out there, and I'll say, here it is, and if this paper's gone out in post, I ask for your support on this.

And that's why there's this involvement.

I was not involved in the goddamn watergate, but it touches this.

You know, they are investigating it.

That's exactly right.

How does that sound to you now as the president of New York?

Much better.

No, I had no dance.

In fact, I had dance.

Remember, I said, let's not make a decision.

The TV thing is not a human thing.

Yeah, and going to the country, I believe, is right at the right time.

Maybe across Congress a little later.

But if I get into a situation where I go on prime time and respond to everything, what are we responding to this time?

We're responding to whether or not the CIA was involved in the covering.

Well, we will take up the fact of whether or not the United States of America had a policy leader at one time that had to do with

uh, uh, infiltrating local groups, and also, uh, uh, engaging the conservatory, etc.

And third, whether or not the United, whether or not the President of the United States did approve setting up within the White House, as well as did approve with the Attorney General's going forward and his troops going forward with tapping for national security purposes.

Now, those questions are all several.

The answer is yes, ever respect.

And the answer is yes, I ought to put that out there, but I can't go before the country and put that holy trash out there without their getting into a feeling of love.

Even worse than they are.

Now if you go on and say, I did not offer currency, you know.

I didn't offer currency, you know, God damn well did.

I'd be stupid to do that.

You also are practical enough to know that somebody never raised you like me and did.

But you're also well that they didn't offer it because I know they can.

I mean, I know that.

I mean, I mean, that's why it would have been impossible to fix a buy-off.

I didn't know if it was going to happen with anybody else.

That's done on the basis of the recommendation of the attorney general and so forth and so on.

And yet, it was good that in the new summary, I felt that at least they'd wipe it out over and over again.

They said that was serious.

They had said, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

But I mean, I'm not getting any confirmation of what I meant.

I meant that there is that piece that you want to take everybody to.

President wants more things than lower staff office.

This just rolls around.

You know, that's what even David found here.

The President wants the President's order.

Christ, that's the way out.

Yeah, well, sure, sure.

The President wants this.

The President's like, sure, I can speak for the President.

I know that I can get my word through.

And I know that I can speak for him.

That's exactly what Colston said.

Sure.

So it is with that one.

What else am I supposed to have done?

Oh yes, I'm supposed to have approved the payment of the funds to the defendant.

That's the next charge, I suppose.

So, I did not approve the payment of the funds.

As I said to Bob, all of us in your home, right?

He never told me about the tree that you could garner with his credit.

He never told me about this thing, the cigarette that they launched in the compound.

Not that he knew that I had not approved.

I would have approved.

Because both of them, our guilt was here, given their purpose was to provide a charity speech for these guys.

That was their purpose, which it was.

At a later time, I was aware of the fact that we were being blackmailed by Hunt through Bidner and so forth and so on.

I did not know or do anything about it.

My dad's a gun man, true.

But all of that coming out, you see, is going to require a period of time out to create a deal with the insurance company.

So when you look at all that coal at a day, it is not a television screen scratcher.

No, it is a hell of a white paper, and it's something where I can talk to these leaders and talk to them cold-haired people, particularly in the national security thing.

That's all I can bridge off of you now.

Bridging off of you.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm not putting words that might be selling out.

Who agrees with this approach the moment you do?

That's a good answer.

Ron, uh...

I don't think the other side would do.

But we're most anxious to do now is to get the big facts together.

Who's working on it?

Is there anything I can do?

They don't.

My plan today was to go to Camp A, but after I finish in Arlington, go up there for a day.

I don't think we should do that.

No, I think what we do is...

I don't want to do anything that's going to hurt.

If I work tonight, I'll work.

If I don't work, for all you say, you're a soldier, so am I.

Yes, sir.

No, I think we draw all this stuff together, and then their basic questions rise, and we have to be damn sure about, and then we'll check them around the board, and we might have to ask you a question.

I want to hear all the questions.

I want to go over all the very characters myself.

I want to read the paper of these companies.

I want to talk to them about it.

I can talk very boldly about it.

I can feel strongly about it.

Don't you?

I do.

I've never felt more strongly about these things.

I think we've just got to... On these issues, you'll see, particularly when they drug the CIA in until it's factory enough, that really got my interest hurt because the whole thing is that

Everybody in this goddamn thing at one time, except Caulfield, at one time or another, was with the CIA.

Several of them were with the Bay of Pigs.

Obviously, obviously, we heard it.

We said, oh, Christ almighty.

Maybe the CIA really was having something to do with some hanky-panky.

Maybe these are CIA guys out of line, rather than Canadian people out of line.

We still found that was not the case.

And Al told me that.

And, uh...

Is he terribly discouraged?

Yeah, about what?

About this?

He thinks they'll work him over on this.

You know, there's a competition up there.

Every committee's fighting with every other committee to see who could come up with something.

He's walking a very careful path on it.

What does he say he put Walters on?

Or what do we want to say on that?

Walters is frankly a top driver's guy.

He wasn't.

And I think he sent Walters over there to, this is the second man to find out what the hell the score was.

Well, he has, you know, it's a natural opinion of the director.

It's just not focused.

Necessarily doing all those details with everything else he had to do.

What do you think about the floorboard architecture?

Oh.

Did it lock her up?

Man, I understand that she...

We got on the floor and asked if she looked like she was ready for the cage.

She says that the White House is involved.

I don't know what has happened.

Mitchell let the whole shop get out of place.

And Mitchell says that they've not taken the ring.

Mitchell's trying to create again the weapons every time.

Not me, Mitchell.

Mitchell would draw up a good guy in the store before he heard it.

There is the problem.

And he had as his ally over here, interestingly enough, Dean.

Now, we have to recognize that he certainly was moving the ball in a hurry with the rest of the crowd.

But the point is, all of them were not running the candidate.

Now, that's my point.

The only other one that was good at anything and actually covering this was Colson.

Colson was out at Watergate.

At least, that's my summer invitation.

Do you have any other interview with him on or not?

No, I think, uh... You know, he had two possible lines.

Either John was really awfully stupid, or the Attorney General was.

John was really stupid?

Yeah.

Oh, I see.

It's hard for me to believe that.

I'm sure he had an awful lot of good stuff.

Well, I don't think really any of them were dishonest.

In that sense, what the hell did they have to get out of the chamber?

They've got plenty of involvement.

It really was a case of limitations on combat.

Yeah.

If it ever came back, I couldn't do what I wanted to.

You mentioned the whole crunch.

and so forth.

Now, if there's any way we can do it, we can fight that kind of thing.

Well, I haven't even discussed it.

What do you think?

I don't think we should discuss it like that.

We should do something like that at the surface because it could be an air career.

Right, I understand.

I understand that I'm too keen on it myself because it never happens.

Well, I don't think there's a firm talk of scientists among about the disease.

The Armed Services Committee in the Senate is where the talk came from, based on the men's comments.

There were always the coups out in the way, the fellow officers and what have you.

But the Senate isn't talking about that.

Oh, no.

That's what I meant.

No, no.

Although he has been disturbed because we haven't stood up in history and answered some hard questions.

when bizarre campaign yesterday and he said that we were working on as full exposition of the things we can compile he was not not just he doesn't mean just i'm not sure that the series but he means the whole business of the topic the whole business he said thank god he said you just have to do this he said there are doubts being raised that's one of the things that

He kept us in the long edge.

He's just been a solid supporter, and still is.

But he always needs to be sure about it.

That's, uh, you gotta take it easy on him.

But if you're with him, it's hard.

Well, we'll just fight like hell.

And he's just, you know, so damn important to keep it.

Brooke's not the only damn he ever was.

He, uh...

He's a righteous individual.

You know, he's...

He's not as bad as Percy for me, I find.

Ron's a decent guy.

He's got no... no roots.

Ben, what do you have to say?

I don't understand.

All I have to do is you.

What do you... uh, well, before I get into that, what do you tell Ed?

Well, I told him I wanted to know if he had any problems here.

And we had total confidence in him.

I wanted to get a little bit from him.

I don't know what he thinks he's going to run into with foreign relations.

You mean like what questions?

Yeah, what problem we might have, you know, does he, is he concerned about it?

What problem would he have, though, that we don't know about?

Could you imagine?

No, no, no, being, uh, maybe a little bit more obscure when he got processed through the Foreign Relations Committee.

I don't know, they asked him any questions at that time, you know, at all.

The CIA is also involved in something that equipment over there, huh?

That's right.

Yeah, that I forgot about.

Yeah, that's right.

It was involved in the sense that it happened.

Hey, Christian.

That was his starter question.

That's right.

That's his starter question.

I didn't know that goddamn equipment was coming over here to you.

This is on my employ.

Yeah.

Well, I don't think that's a bad thing either, God damn it.

It's perfectly explainable if you had a security group, but... Well, I guess you're right.

They have the weapons, this is the dark.

Yeah.

The insanity's there.

Yeah.

Run it, pull it up.

It's the dark.

But I want to be sure he's never vulnerable again.

Yeah, they could kill hundreds.

Why don't you see the wild times?

I'd like to see them again.

But now, I mean, just so we know before we start speaking, how we feel now is, you know, you and I have been two strong guys around here.

We're old enough.

But you have no doubts about fighting this thing through?

Well, I knew past that man that this man,

A couldn't do.

That's what has to be done at this time, which is to give a lot of detail and facts to a selected group.

No, I want to give the white paper, and I want to get at the bleeding.

They can make a catch to it or not.

Yes, we do.

I think I should call them at the sale of here.

Well, we'll know better as we run through the white papers.

white paper and assuming that it's a good solid base to get the leadership and then I think there ought to be a conservative program.

At my name, would you be willing to bring along white papers?

I would, sir.

I'm not sure it's a good idea.

Right, right, right.

He can't kill you.

What about Bizarre?

He's good.

Yep.

He's good, though.

Okay, fine.

I'll be right out.

That's great.

Guys, thank you.

I'm out of here.

uh it seems every day that the horrible crisis but you see let me tell you the difficulty with the you know the eye and what happens in impeachment resolution if you point it out well uh one person i mean one a member must move it must be second and then it should work

There could be any number of committees.

There could be commissioners, there could be a committee that must make a vote to move to the floor, and then the land leader has to give it to a vote.

Now, the point that I made was this.

Even though I think we could win that vote, that would give us a blow in terms of where we would be at.

Very, very well.

Let me tell you what I feel about the security.

This is just another phase of the long battle.

We're fighting the Elks.

You know that.

We're fighting some very bad people, but they're out at the rule of the board policy in this country, and they don't have any disarms, and a hell of a lot of other things.

And that is what this battle is, and we must stop thinking in terms of fighting it on their

All right.

I'll be here.

I'll watch you.