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Don't you agree?

I agree, and I think that's the attitude everybody has.

They know what this is.

I think that's the real feeling about this last weekend.

We sort of turned the corner on our own attitudes.

Not that our attitude wasn't right before, but we decided, well, now we take it.

good assessment we've taken our low point so forth we started to fight back exactly and now we're going to continue to fight back but one last thing uh what we do with regard to this press thing you know the only time i can do a precedent next week is i've got tuesday i'm screwed with that uh

And I've got Wednesday and Thursday, of course, if you want to come along.

Although I could do it Monday, say, by going back.

The critical question here is, again, now, the way that you and I got to talk with Ron about it, and I don't really want to get other more emotional people involved with it.

is the president, let's not be driven into a press meeting of any kind, simply because we have been pressed once or we need it.

Whether we have it or not, that kind of issue never hurts you much.

What can hurt you more is having one at the wrong time.

That's right.

Now therefore, my view is I don't walk out in that press room until we are quite ready to go.

Now, next Monday, this

For example, today would have been a hell of a bad, this is a good time.

We're not going to have a terrible time.

It would have been a terrible time.

I would have had to answer it now.

Next Monday may be the right time.

What is your present feeling?

My present feeling is that the only time you should go out is when you have a series of substantive announcements to make.

Or when we have put out, we made for, to build up, put out something.

that the focus of that press conference has got to be on substance.

Now, I'm talking reorganization, the energy, the economy, the president meeting, and what all that pertains.

And the results, perhaps, of the public meeting.

I think Monday would be too soon.

That's what I think.

And the latter part of the week might be better, but I'm not even sure of that yet until we can assess what we've got.

That's what?

Well, we've got substantive things.

Yeah.

On chills and on energy.

And as we get to Rogers, just a few things.

They're not ready.

I'm afraid.

I think, frankly, that probably the best time is to hit it about a week before freshman, freshman.

That's right.

So they run together.

And then they'll be moving up toward that.

And you hit it about then, rather than going out there.

And we don't want it to be a warning.

It's, uh, let's try to make it our issue to accept that we can.

Make it our issue, and until we're ready, I will take it on.

I won't do this.

Couldn't dream on it.

What good is it?

Maybe, uh, it's not me that you've had public exposure, but I thought you were out last week.

Uh, people heard you.

And I'll be out this week.

And you'll be out this week.

You're gonna have plenty of exposure this week.

You see, they're, they're complaining about public exposure.

They want to prosecute the president.

Exactly.

That is an ambition.

You can't submit to that.

We will have to.

You see, when our congressmen and senators, you know, they must always say to the president, like Griffin, when all the lines are out, you're going to have more press conferences and so forth.

They're really reflecting, believe me, more what the press is talking about.

Do you understand that?

They aren't seeing it as we do.

You get all sorts of things from it.

I don't understand.

I am all for the fact that we've got some things going our way, because I can do them well, and they're out there in a good forum, and the country has got to see the President as the leader.

I don't think, though, that they should see the President as the leader.

I'm not sure that we'll be ready by Monday.

I think maybe by Wednesday or Thursday of next week maybe.

But you can't, you see what I mean?

Where he's out there as the leader and not as the leader, defendant, and eventually one of these goddamn NUNs.

You'd want to be able to go out and make an introductory statement, banning you.

You'd make reorganizations.

Here's what you accomplished with Pompey.

Here's what the challenge is.

And in addition, we've taken the following measures.

Now, we may want to break some of them off and have them out beforehand so that we can be prepared to ask questions on these areas.

That's a question of tactics in PR.

If we can get some, all we're sure we're going to have in the bag is pumping food, and maybe Rogers Kissinger.

I'm sure.

What question?

I'm sure energy.

Energy, for sure.

Economic.

Okay.

Well, that's enough.

I don't want to go any longer.

But this is a good format, though, isn't it?

Let me say, you just walk in at 9 o'clock, so don't hesitate.

If somebody's in here, I'll let them out.

Because your time is important.

If we're on, he comes in at 9.30.

That way, I'll take it and enter any time he wants to come.

How's that?

That's good.

Well, that was a lot of color in your face today.

That's right.

Well, I think you're right.

That's really beyond the pale, isn't it?

Yes, it is, sir.

Well, I think we've just got to take a tough position on these things.

It's illegal to do that, and we don't associate it with that.

Well, it's not just the leaking.

The point is, even a suggestion from the president before the rancher in Christ's name, or before many of Congress' clients, out of utter...

They know that well, they do.

But do you think that's the way to do it?

I think it's finding we have to put them on notice at this time.

They crossed the line.

They crossed the line, and we expect the Attorney General and COTS to investigate.

Yeah.

Because it's just indirect.

Well, of course, it's all the same.

I think that the President has a chance to explain how this happened around and how it happened.

I'll give you some data.

Well, it's, it's indicative of the frustrations that your paper has caused, have caused over there.

You think it really has caused the frustration?

Yeah, I do.

I think the reports from them have boxed them in and they felt that it put a protective screen around John and Bob that's very damaging to the case that they're developing because of the national security side.

But we wanted to do it.

Exactly.

So I'm not too concerned about it.

It's a sign that it was the right thing.

Ron, that's a good point, though.

This is just a gun political fight now.

It's over.

Both there and the caucus is going to be a gunfighter.

And we're asking Elliott to stand up on this.

And we've got to get our guys in Congress to stand up.

And if we're going to have a gunfight, let's have it.

That's right.

And just kick the shit out of them.

Well, that's what we do.

We have one minor thing today.

We have a request for presidential proclamation for disaster relief in Arkansas and Mississippi from the tornadoes.

And we should go ahead and .

Whatever you want.

Good.

Now, on the Rogers meeting, sir, it's sort of trippy.

Does he know?

Yes, sir.

Well, I don't really need to, in a sense.

I just thought...

I think he'll feel very strongly that he should have had a meeting with you after this trip.

Now, whether it's alone or with Henry is immaterial.

Henry's prepared to do it.

I took care of him last night, and he could...

if you wanted to meet for 15 minutes or so, and then call Henry in.

And then Scali, at the end of the period, to just briefly go over this Middle East, and the talking points just have three things.

The idea there is to make it look like to the Arabs and to the Israelis that we haven't lost our focus on the need to get a negotiated settlement.

This isn't bad.

It's a good substantive effort.

add on to the environment right now.

And then John will have to read his statement, which Henry is in favor of, and he thinks it would be helpful.

Okay.

And then we go into the bike park.

And then we have the bike park set up.

And then we'll do a briefing.

Henry will do a briefing, and you can do as much as you want or as little as you want there in terms of

the parish and the up-and-coming.

Well, with the leaders, we'll be serving.

We just need therapy.

That's right.

Right.

That's right.

Now, we'll make a... Was Ryerson also reported at the meeting?

He was not at the bipartisan meeting.

He was not included.

We were just keeping it a White House group.

In other words, he'd lead you back to the meeting with you.

I think all my papers are here.

Secretary Rogers returns Monday evening in nine countries.

So it says here that you can force production.

South America, of course, Secretary Rogers.

Here.

I don't know where.

I mean, I almost think Roberts has to be there.

All right, you can sit down.

You can sit down.

I'm not going to tell you the story.

But then you have to sign the law meeting.

Yes.

Well, I'm going to sit around here and make it quick.

Yes, sir

I'm going to meet with John Cohen here in a few minutes.

I'm not at all satisfied that Schultz and Stein are at this the way they should be at it.

They've spent two weeks now, and they do goddamn well what was needed.

This morning, Schultz was trying to take off the meeting.

Not even have it.

Not even have it, and talk status quo.

And I said, no, we can't accept that.

Both Ash and Connolly think we should have the meeting.

We'll have the meeting.

We've just got to get an understanding with these people that, God damn it, we're not living in an academic theoretical environment.

Yeah.

But there's a need for some action.

Even if it's status quo, it's got to be.

Make the status quo look a little better, huh?

That's right.

I agree.

When's Connolly coming in?

He's going to come in and see me and Tim.

Oh, you're going to see him while I'm doing this other meeting?

That's right.

Well, on Schultz and Steinman, I think that they're just both cross-leaning each other here and aren't maybe listening enough, I don't know, to the people who have different views.

Well, Arthur Burns has a very strong feeling that the boom has to be slowed down.

That it's very dangerous, he thinks of it.

It could be getting ready for a balloon of a Birch box, and we'll have a sharp recession.

John Connolly is somewhere in between Arthur Burns and George and her.

And these are good, honest convictions and legitimate views.

But what I'm worried about in the context of Schultz's view is this theoretical purity, which

causes him to look forward to next year.

I know we can worry about next year or next year.

We're worried about today.

We've got, we've got considerable concerns and growing lack of confidence in the economy.

And something has to be done to shore that up.

And quite frankly, it's the same thing on the energy.

The energy bill was, was light bluster and did not add real losses.

Yeah, he is, and I'm scheduled to see him at, uh... Chelsea was big in that, too.

We gave him a lot of that book.

That's right.

They'll have nothing of an energy for me today, though.

No, nothing today, but when you get back, we'll have, we'll have that done.

That's what I, the other thing that Jim Coney and I are doing.

What about having something on that?

Maybe bring them up to the camp leave on Saturday morning.

We could do that.

I just want to get the Whitmore guys.

Order, order them up.

Order them up.

Sure.

We get back to Iceland about 4 o'clock, and that would be too late to do it here.

I might go, but I'll just go right up there.

Saturday morning, get the jackasses out of there and go.

We'd be better to have an energy thing.

Let's just crack the myth of where I'm here.

They've got the most convoluted organizational structure that I've ever seen.

Everybody's fighting for a piece of the action.

Poor Roger's more than wants it, and Schultz wants it, and Flanagan wants it.

You know, everybody wants to be on the goddamn thing.

And we've got Ben Bazar in the White House here with the family.

You think it should be Blanigan, huh?

Not necessarily.

He is a solution.

He's not the best.

No, no.

And John said he had some ideas for a higher-profile guy.

John Conley?

Yes.

That we would, that he would... That's what I think.

I don't think Blanigan has the...

As much as we all respect him in the shop, I don't think he has the standing in this thing.

I don't think they consider him to be just basically clerk for the president.

Well, I've come down to that certain conclusion and he's playing cute.

What is he playing cute?

Well, I asked him if he was willing to take this on instead of saying yes, amen.

He said, well, I have to talk to you about it.

I'm not sure if this is the thing to do.

But that's the hell with it.

You know, another one thing about it.

You know, we, uh, we don't, uh, you've done a hell of a lot to pull, you know, get everybody's morale and so forth in a difficult time.

I appreciate it.

But Alan...

There's one thing I'm convinced of, and that is that this business of babysitting everybody and so forth, that helped.

That people don't want to do something, they're out.

But if Peterson decided yes or no, or if he wanted to make a deal,

Yeah.

He said he'd take the ambassadorship.

And I think that's good, and it would be a better job.

He's also going to announce here very shortly before he does it that he's joining Lever Brothers.

And then he would announce going on temporary leave of absence.

Yeah.

He said he'd take the ambassadorship.

And I think that's good.

And then it would be about the time of the job.

He's also going to announce here very shortly before he does it that he's joining Lever Brothers.

And then he would announce going on temporary leave of absence to handle this negotiating job for the year of Europe.

I talked to Henry at length about it last night.

I said, do you want the guy?

Or don't you?

And he said, I think under these circumstances, this is the best way to have Peterson.

He said he's changed his mind about Peterson.

He said he's just, that he is a shit.

And that he doesn't want Peterson.

Not on a full-time basis.

He said he'd be ideal for this negotiating job.

Why did he think he was a shit and all that?

He didn't use him.

He gave some, he gave a toast Saturday night at Henry's birthday party, which was a little bit, a little bit critical of us.

Of the president.

Yeah, and the White House operation, and Henry just got furious and it's just a hell of a... Good for him.

How's that tale?

It's good.

He's... Good?

He's...

We couldn't for a while.

But we will be nice to you.

and then they just walk out, and then they just walk out, and then they just walk out, and then they just walk out, and then they just walk out, and then they just walk out,

That's exactly the truth.

And we don't need that.

That's exactly the truth.

We can run the staff and we're gonna do a hell of a good job.

I'm not satisfied with George's approach to this problem.

It's a substantive thing.

It's not attitude.

He just can't bring himself to approach this problem.

It's not self-reliant, believing that attitude had a problem and you got to put a deal with it.

Approach to this problem.

It's not attitude.

And that's as I say, that's permeated both.

He just can't bring himself.

He just can't bring himself for him to believe we've got energy in.

And he can't.

We'll come when we get the word.

We've got a problem and we've got a problem and we've got to deal with it.

I mean, yes, sir.

Good.

So this is a fair, this is a quadrant.

And that's as I said, Arthur Burns will be there.

Yeah, of course.

And that's as I say, that's permeated both.

This is a fair...

This is a...

Indirect controls.

He controls.

Controls.

Indirect controls.

He wants to do it.

Controls.

He wants to do it.

For years.

But I think it's interest rates.

It's not so bad.

hours and hours and hours but I think I was wondering we have an hour

But I think it will clear us in hours and hours and hours.

We are always not dedicating ourselves.

I'll give you an idea of the scope of not dedicating yourself.

I was wondering various actions which could be taken.

I was wondering .

That's right.

How are we doing?

We have an hour.

I think it will clear the air and you have the scope of where it gets that you and I just actually have the scope which could be taken.

How do we do that?

That's the next meeting.

That's right.

Right?

That's right.

How do we do that?

Getting right off the ground.

Right?

That's right.

And I wouldn't come down too far.

Getting right off of me today.

And I wouldn't get into this.

No, I'm just saying.

I wouldn't come down too far.

Next Tuesday.

That's getting me today.

Other than to just.

No.

I'm just saying.

A little more time.

Next Tuesday.

That's getting me.

A little more time.

Get ready.

Thank you.

No, I wouldn't say that.

It's there.

This is why I did the decision to give him this status quo.

would be helpful.

Today, we've got people that are...

It doesn't affect a lot of others.

And you can't...

Expecting controls.

And we're a physical enemy.

In other words, we have no confidence.

We have no confidence.

No, but this is why this is why this is why this is why this is why this is why this is why this is why this is why this is why

And we're our own worst enemy.

In other words, we're our own worst enemy.

In other words, that's the leadership.

Right.

That's right.

These are uncertainty.

Uncertainty.

Yeah.

Uncertainty.

Yeah.

And that's what we'll get.

And that's what we'll get a hell of a lot out of a decision to do.

A hell of a lot.

Yes.

I think so because he's done this reporting so far.

Right.

He's basically got it.

I think so because he's done this.

I think his wife is thinking about how we handle that.

And it was his wife, and she honestly, it was his wife, and she felt like he honestly, for about 10 minutes, she was, feeding his name, he was, feeding his name, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was,

We don't want to make you feel like you're a fool and now there are plenty of other good people around us.

If he isn't a good person, I'm sure I'll come back and talk to him.

Thinking about how we handle that.

I thought I'd seen that.

Well, Henry should be on something.

He should be on something.

He should be feeling good.

If he isn't in it, there's a S picture.

That's what you think.

Yeah, sure, and I think we ought to...

If he isn't in it, there's a S picture.

Oh, I want to thank you for the rest of your time.

I'll tell him about it.

Oh, no.

How do you know that you're healed?

There'll be some verbiage about that.

But you only need a few minutes, a few minutes, just enough so that we can drown and rest.

For Christ Almighty is just enough to nourish, prestige, and rest that back of me.

The report that he has, this is what he has, and that's what he wants to do.

On the Rogers thing, can we talk just a bit about how we approach that?

When would we do an answer to that?

You think we should get that bullet now?

Today, huh?

Confidentiality.

We didn't accomplish what we accomplished to any other.

Today.

That's what you can do.

Yes, sir.

And I think we ought to be sure of the style that I do it in.

Right, right.

Yes, sir.

And I think we ought to check the flow to be sure of that beat.

Jack McFarlow, to be sure, that'd be a hell of a problem.

A hell of a problem.

I don't think there will be, I think.

I'm kidding.

Yeah.

I don't think there will be, I think.

I'm kidding.

Yeah.

Shit up.

It'll be a hell of a problem.

And then I think we are done, right?

Oh, no.

And then I think we are done, right?

Oh, no.

I don't think so.

There'll be some verbal appeal.

There'll be some verbal around the rest of Christ.

Christ Almighty is enormous prestige.

Almighty is enormous prestige.

And the rest of that badger about, you know, about...

You know, uh, what about the wiretap into the restroom?

So he didn't answer.

He's going into the restroom, so he didn't answer.

He's going into the restroom, so

We didn't accomplish what we accomplished through any other.

Sure, Stein.

I'm gonna do it again.

Right, right.

I'm gonna do it again.

Right, right.

I will not approach you with it today.

I don't want you to get the feeling that basically I have asked you to do something that I should do.

That's what I'm wanting to get the feeling that basically I have asked you to do something that I should do.

That's what I'm wondering.

I don't want him to get the feeling that basically I have asked him, how can you get, how can you microphone him to do something that I should do?

That's what I'm wondering.

Well, I think I...

I'm wondering, how can you get, how can you take up the option that he gave you in our earlier microphone?

Well, I think I should...

What did he do?

You mean after you came aboard?

It doesn't matter.

Take up the option that he gave me.

He told you that?

What did he tell you?

When he told me that he had an earlier discussion, I said, What did he do?

You mean?

He planned a week and returned his offer in June.

After you came aboard, he told you that?

What did he say?

And I acted.

When he told me that he had planned a week and returned his offer, I did nothing about such a thing.

And he said, and I prepared to do whatever the president wanted.

And I acted as though I knew nothing about it.

He said, but right now, I remember that was in the context of us coming over to touch on it.

And he said, and I prepared to counsel.

Yep.

Do whatever the president wants.

He said, but right now, I remember that.

He said that would be a bad thing.

Yep.

It was in the context of us coming over to counsel.

And he was right.

He said that would be a bad thing.

But he did not indicate that he felt hypo.

And he was right.

He had to hang on as Secretary of State for a long period.

But he did not indicate.

And I think what I would do is tell Kate that he felt he had to hang on as Secretary of State.

I've been wrestling with the same friend that we've been for a long period.

We've got to make a dramatic move to tell them that the contacts that we've got are reorganizing and adjusting.

We've got to make a dramatic move to the long haul that Kissinger, I mean the contacts that

of reorganizing the Rogers-Brown Loomis is really very important in adjusting to the long haul.

Despite all the mess that the Kissinger-Rogers-Brown tensions have caused, and that it affects the attitudes of the Loomis, it's really a very difficult problem.

The department, the NIC, and part of the department, despite all the mess and the tensions that have occurred for the White House,

We can't help it, it's a fact of the life.

And it affects the attitudes of the department, and I'd say secondly, we've got one hell of a problem with it.

The NAC and the Department for the White House, we need to help it, it's a fact of the life.

And I'd say secondly, I'm wondering how they can get, how they can buy the money to keep him on board.

We've got one hell of a problem with it.

Well, I think that we need an interim way to take up the option that he gave me in our earlier discussion to propose and recommend to you.

After you came aboard, he told you that?

I went to talk to him about it before.

What did he tell you?

Well, he told me that he had planned to leave and return.

I had been telling him that my view on it was perfect and that I could recommend it to you.

We saw a firm in June.

What did you say?

And although I hadn't discussed it with you in any detail, and I wanted to talk to him about it before, I had been telling him that I acted as though I knew nothing about such a thing.

Well, you can say it.

He said that would be a test of his disfluence on the server.

I'm not sure, though, as far as the president's concerned.

Yeah, Michael.

Yeah.

Yeah, he was right.

Sorry, I had to hurry.

He mentioned about it in the call.

He has not, uh, he has, he has.

Well, he did not indicate that he, but, uh, he, he feels it's,

He felt he had to hang on and we've got to resolve this difference.

I think what I would do is tell him that we can't live with this consistency.

But he feels that we...

We've got to resolve this difference.

We've got to make a dramatic move.

There's more from what there is.

We can't live with this constant contact.

I'm reorganizing it.

We are resolving it.

That, of course, we will resolve within that period.

As you said, Bill, so there's more of a Kissinger problem.

It's really very clear.

There is a problem.

Those are going to be problems that have to become problems.

Despite all the mess of intentions that we are resolving.

And it affects the attitudes of the department.

And that, of course, we will resolve the major problem.

We need an interim way to keep him on board.

But this is what I would propose and recommend to you.

And I wanted to talk to him about it before I had been telling him that my view on it was perfect, although I hadn't discussed it with you in any detail at all.

Well, you could say that, uh, I, uh, well, I want you to know that as far as the President is concerned, he has not, uh, his, his view is on this, uh, retarded, kind of, very mixed about it because he,

But he feels that we can't, we've got to resolve this difference here.

We can't live with this constant, you know, warfare.

There's no way that there's going to be problems and that we ought to resolve it.

Then, of course, we will resolve the game, the problem, later.

No illusions about later.

That has to be resolved later.

But at this point, at this point, with the... That has to be resolved later.

But at this point...

with the, with what's going on, with the, uh, with what's going on, with the information, with what's going on, with the, uh, with what's going on, with the information, with what's going on, with the information, with what's going on, with the, uh, with the, uh, with the, uh, with the information, with what's going on, with the information, with what's going on, with the information, with what's going on, with the information, with what's going on, with the information, with what's going on, with the information, with what's going on, with the information, with what's going on, with the information, with what's going on, with the information, with what's going on, with the information, with what's going on, with the information, with what's going on, with the information, with what's going on, with the information, with what's going on, with the information, with what's going on, with the information, with what's going

uh your thought would be to suggest that he your thought would be to suggest that he

Just take up this option for the 1st of July.

July or mid-July.

July or

It's the announcement that... That's right.

We ought to make an announcement.

And it's at that time as... And it's at that time as... And it's at that time as... And it's at that time as... And it's at that time as... And it's at that time as...

Like a woman.

We have got to get that foreign policy.

Frankly, under such an appeal of oral policy, we have got to get that oral policy structured.

Frankly, under such control, there's constant vigor and ambition and so forth.

In order to do this job, and now is the time to bite that bullet.

That's the problem, George has got too many things he can't do.

George Ellison over his head.

That's the problem.

She's got too many things.

You can't do the energy.

You just can't kill him.

That's his problem.

That's another problem.

George is a team leader.

That's another problem.

George is a team leader.

He's a team leader.

We have a battle we can solve.

That's good.

I would generally try to see Ron.

You can tell me the settings are 830.

You can tell me so that I can get Ron out of it.

Your settings are 830.

You can tell me the settings are 830.

Then I shouldn't get run out of it.

They run paper to deny it, do they?

I'll see that you would not.

I will go, then I will un-call Ron, I'll see that you would not.

Because, you see, I should see Ron, and then I'll get Ron, and then I have 30 to give him, because that's where the view is not.

Give him a few little nuggets for his press brief.

Ron, and then I have 30 to give him, because that's where the view is not.

Because, you see, I should see Ron.

I must say, the Florida trip was good for him.

It just was a little down for some days.

I must say that the Florida trip was good for him, but he was just tired.

He said yesterday he was a little down for some data.

He said he was tired.

But he's also, he was just tired.

He said he was just tired.

But sometimes, he said yesterday he had to come back.

But he's also, he's just, he takes it into the mind.

He said yesterday he had to come back.

But he's also, he's just, he's really, this grand, he really liked it.

But sometimes it takes it into the mind.

That's pretty shocking.

But sometimes it takes it into the mind.

These men usually have a professional desire to be a professional.

desire to live by that code, by that code.

It's kind of, we're gonna, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards, they're totally, we're gonna need these bastards

feeling it's a result of that first they got to get recoup their reputation you mean their uh they got to get recoup their reputation you mean their uh the bird where the bird where they got taken into the cover sure sure

Recruit their reputation.

You mean their, uh, the first year they got taken into the cover?

Go over there and, uh, and make an opinion on, on evidence in a grand jury.

Sure.

Right.

We can go to the jury, which is by lawsuit.

Christ, that's unbelievable.

You can go over there and, uh, and make an opinion on...

Cops did it.

What do you think of it?

Well, yeah.

Because we had a, you know,

evidence in a grand jury hearing.

It was in the Seymour Hearst story on Sunday in the New York Times.

He had it in which it says, Christ, that's unbelief.

And then the Post had it the next time with more detail.

It's the same guy.

And it did take place in a meeting with Cox and Brown.

Because we had a hit of it

It was a description of a discussion with Cox.

It did.

And it was then that Seymour heard about our story on Sunday in the New York Times.

I think Cox would have a respect.

You know, I think he's going to be a doctrinaire ship.

He had it, by the way, in a narrower way.

And I think he would respect kind of the point that the Post had it the next time with more departure details.

His salary is full roll.

Same guy, same week, same guy.

They want to explain how it didn't take place in a meeting with God.

This could have happened without my knowing.

Jesus Christ.

Description of a discussion with God.

And, uh...

You know, they did the same thing as they had no positive evidence.

But I don't think Cox would ever respect these.

But it was hard for them to believe.

I think he's going to be a doctrinaire ship that I'm present in now.

Well, you know, that's the worst kind of cheap innuendo.

I think he would respect that kind of...

The point of departure in salaries overall.

Tom, I didn't know they can't tell me about it.

But it's also indicative of the fact that they ain't got much of a case, sir.

Yeah, but I'm just suggesting the president come for a crack.

Or they wouldn't be acting this way.

Your paper, I think, explains their role.

They want to explain the matter, something they thought they were building.

And that was a way to swing Bob and John.

Do you really think they could explain how this could have happened without my knowing?

They were trying to break into the national security area themselves.

What do you mean?

No, I think what they were trying to do was to develop criminality with Bob and John in a way that they were trying to, you know, they did the same thing as they had no positive evidence to the point that Bob and John might try to

get out of it by, by figuring the Presidents on.

But it was hard for them to believe.

I think your paper gave a rationale that the President didn't know.

Well, yes, John can use the national security that was not there before.

So the case against Boca, that's, that's the worst kind of cheap in New England.

It was weakened by your paper.

And that bill frustrated the czar's view, too.

They have no evidence, but...

In other words, the truth hurt.

They were dealing with people over there and leaked opinion on evidence.

But it's also indicative of the fact that they ain't got much of a case.

In a grand jury hearing, which is by a lawsuit group, Christ, that's unbelievable.

You didn't caution it?

What do you think?

No, I don't think so.

Because your paper, I think, screwed them out of something they thought they were building.

We had a hit of it, and it was in the Seymour Hirsch story on Sunday in the New York Times.

And that was the way to sleep.

Do you really think they were trying to break it?

He had it in a narrower way.

And then the post had it in the National Security Area themselves.

What do you mean?

No, I think what's the next time with more detail.

It's the same goddamn week and the same gun.

What they were trying to do was to develop criminality.

And it did take place in a meeting with cops.

It was a description of a discussion with Bob and John in a way that they would sweat them to the point that Bob and John coxed.

They did.

But I don't think Cox would ever respect.

He might try to get out of it by figuring the presence.

You know, I think he's going to be a doctrinaire ship, but I don't think he's a...

I think your paper gave that kind of a point of departure.

His salary is money, a rationale which John can use in a national security role.

Yeah, but it just suggests that the President come forward for action.

Can you explain that role?

But it was not there before.

So the case against both those men was... Do you want to explain how I could... And that bill frustrated him.

And, you know, they did the same thing as they had no positive evidence.

But, in other words, the truth hurt.

It was hard for them to believe.

They were dealing with, well, you know, that's the worst kind of cheap innuendo.

That's right.

They have no evidence, but...

But it's also indicative of the fact that they ain't got much of a case yet.

Your paper, I think, screwed them out of something they thought they were building.

And that was a way to swing the order.

Do you really think they were trying to bring in the national security area themselves?

What do you mean?

No, I think what they were trying to do was

to develop criminality with Bob and John in a way that they would sweat them to the point that Bob and John might try to get out of it by figuring the presidency.

I think your paper gave a rationale which John can use in national security that was not there before.

So the case against both those men was weakened by your paper.

And that built frustration.

That bizarre future.

Yes.

In other words, the truth hurt.

They were dealing with a lot of innuendo, and you cut that out in the context of a lot of innuendo, and a lot of innuendo, and it varies.

You cut that out in the context of the facets of this war gate, and various facets of this, and brought in the national security, and war gates, and brought in the national security,

which had an, had an influence on the planes.

It's, you cut, cut that out, and it may not have been right next to them, but it had, it, the various facets of it was working, and, and brought in the national security, and, which had an, had an influence on the plane.

It's, it's, which had an, had an influence on the plane.

It may not have been right, but it had an influence.

What?

My guess is Cox will probably have to get it done.

His son .

They get it, you know?

All the time, I guess.

I don't know.

I'm not too sure.

They have occasion as to being without a memory by then.

Correct.

I wanted it to be.

I'm not so sure.

They have occasion as to being without a memory by then.

They obviously not wanted to do what they would have done beforehand.

They're also obviously not wanted to do what they would have done beforehand.

They're also .

They're also obviously out of material.

for the last six, seven days.

When they resort to that kind of thing over the weekend, when they resort to that kind of thing over the weekend, when they resort to that kind of thing over the weekend,

Well, this story, this story

The same story in the post.

They allegedly, the prosecutors, they allegedly, the prosecutors told Cox they had enough material now to indict.

They had enough material now to indict.

What did they indict?

Bob, John, and Dean.

They had an indictment.

Well, this story, the same story as the post, they allegedly, the prosecutors told Cox they had enough material now to indict Bob, John, and Dean, and the Attorney General.

No.

Magruder didn't.

And the Roots didn't.

Magruder didn't.

And the Roots didn't.

Magruder didn't mention it.

That's the story.

That's terrible.

I got a copy.

But it's criminal.

It's more than irresponsible.

It's criminal.

It's more than irresponsible.

That's terrible.

It's the worst.

Nothing ever has to do with that, but they thought they ought to call the pressure.

It's the worst.

They're 19.

Know about it.

It's irresponsible.

I didn't reach your agreement with that.

Well, me and you ain't no one.

But it's good.

You know, according to the words of the president, if the words of the president, if the words of the president, if the words of the president, if the words of the president, if the words of the president, if the words of the president,

But they did say they had evidence to do that, but they thought they ought to call the president to see whether or not he knew about it.

I didn't read the story.

Well, the idea was that the president, you know, ordinarily, if it weren't for the president, they would subpoena him to clarify the fuzzy areas.

But they did say they had no evidence.

They died soon.

No clear evidence.

That's the worst kind of crime.

No, they're just playing politics, you know.

No, they're just playing politics now.

It is.

I don't think we can, you know, exercise government.

I think we're running.

You know, exercise government.

I think we're running.

No, they're just playing politics now.

Running.

I forget to exercise, so they'll...

They'll let that go, and most of the time, they'll let that go, and hopefully we can get most of the time to run that for a few days.

I think we're right.

I'm afraid we've got to exercise, so they'll let that go, and most of the time, they'll run that for a few days.

That's going to be the way things are going to be.

We go ahead.

We've been in a gun fight for four years.

And we're in another joint now.

And by God, we do our job.

They do theirs.

They think they're going to knock us off.

And I want that edited with the whole staff and the camera and everybody else.