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Hello, how are you?

Hi, Mr. President.

Hi, thank you.

I read the reports and so forth, and I was going to suggest what we do.

We're having a leaders and sort of a short one today, a short leaders meeting that's from 11 to 12.

I thought you could take 10 minutes there to run through them all.

We're 10 to 15 minutes on the line in America, and you've got all the communications, the question, the people there, and we'll run through these in a minute.

But nevertheless, that'll be worthwhile.

And then I'm going to have Henry talk about the, a little about the tariffs.

uh...

and later Skelly.

Did you hear about the Skelly exercise?

Well, Skelly wants to make a statement about the, about the Mideast, the Mideast structure of the system apparently.

I mean, it's about, it's a showing of the art going forward from there to there and so forth.

So we want to get him in and tell us about it and so forth and so on.

If we agree, we can be done.

We can make it out of here and then we'll go, hmm, okay.

That's, that's preparing us.

I think so.

I called Cisco.

I talked to him this morning.

I got in there last night.

I think I might have given him a call if I was, uh, I'm sure that, uh, he would know.

Okay.

You get this for Cisco.

I don't know what I'm trying to do.

Uh, do you think I know what the hell you're talking about?

Yes, sir.

I think what he wants to do is to be sure that what he says is consistent with what is going on.

just to reassure the Arabs that we're working on this.

Mr. President, I've been pleased to hear the comments of the leaders of these countries about the water getting out of the sea.

Absolutely.

Totally.

Stick with the Arabs.

That's what they do.

Well, every leader that I talked to, even Manly in Jamaica yesterday, was a little bit glad.

He said, you know, this is terrible.

We don't understand it.

Just tell the president not to be concerned.

We're all behind him.

Well, you're, you know, I was...

I'm awfully glad that you let me head on your trip, because the main point that I think that it's been very difficult, of course, for us to do it, and very difficult to bring through, and I just want to thank you.

Basically, the main point, Bill, is that we cannot allow the Watergate, the security personnel we have,

Thank you.

But nevertheless, part of the fact of the matter is, my God, I've been teaming with the council, the economic advisors, we've been working on energy, we've been working on, I mean, you know, we've been working on the core policy area and so forth.

I've got the kind of reports you need.

some instructions to Sullivan, some hard stuff that he could tell to you, you know.

You know what I mean?

It's a, and I'm the first person to go to Congress when I run out of my ears.

The point is, the business of government is going on.

Sure, we really are.

But it's a rough deal.

What's your analysis of all of that?

I hate deals that this weekend you turn a little bit fed up.

Yeah?

Yeah.

But anyway,

Well, you know, and I was just thinking since you and I met, I don't know, you know, you sometimes wonder how you take this, this thing and this, and you just think of the responsibilities of the office and the kind of stuff you can.

I think of really how we sheltered Eisenhower and all of us, you know, I mean, even how I'm adamant about it.

You and I both did it for him, so forth and so on.

And I, we never, in the present times, there's never probably, although you can see the impression of the Lincoln period, they had presidents before, but never with the media.

You see, we never had television before.

And so you had 15 minutes for nine bills, so it's about the 15th day.

I mean, I don't mean to misread what David did in a very interesting comparison.

He said, you know,

He says the military is very different from politics.

The politics used to call friendships.

The military really don't.

People come, people go.

He said, even when Adams left, he said, it didn't affect my grandfather personally.

Interesting, he said.

Very interesting.

But anyway, he said, of course, he was sorry, but he didn't, he doesn't have any emotional reaction because, well, it's a casualty war.

It doesn't quite work that way for me.

I'm impressed when I see the whole environment beyond that.

But the other point is that I think it's really the assault now.

So, take it or leave it.

But, like the crime story they heard this morning, I'm sure they were not going to be affected.

And they were hearing and hearing our detox here at the time.

They, they, I know they can't just be the president in normal seriousness.

They would get his side of the case.

They had no evidence that he was involved.

And I would like to find out how this would have happened if it hadn't happened.

Well, now that is pure .

I don't know.

What .

Well, I think that it's .

Of course, it depends a little bit on what Dean says.

It needs to be.

If Dean, if he

If he tried, well, if he lies, in any case if he lies, the whole thing is going to come apart.

I thought the court would begin to look a little silly because they turned him off.

But Dean, you know, I don't know when, unless they do this, but Dean will take this on.

But Dean, you see, the problem with Dean, Dean's major problem is that he has lied up to this point.

He did not tell me, for example, that he had suborned a group of people for injury.

Ever.

He did not tell me, for example, that he was trying to get the CIA to hire these other workers.

He did tell me.

He did.

He was one of them.

That was an old owner.

And he went over and saw an old company owner.

He didn't tell me, for example, that he was living in a building.

And, you know, when we finally got an income, I mean, what happened is that this guy finally realized that the income that he had directed somebody to offer, kind of, say, to Old Coffey or so forth, that he had, you know, he says what Earlyman told him to.

It's not true.

He just, I mean, I think what happened is the dean probably was doing, I'm afraid, Bill and Mitchell's, I don't know, I just have a feeling, I don't want to draw on John's, I guess, you know,

I know he didn't come here.

I know he didn't come here because I never saw Dean.

I didn't see Dean except once until he reported the thing about the violence in terms of perfectly, you know, benign conversation.

Until we, about this matter, until March.

And then, of course, what is he going to say?

He'll probably say...

Because he's been diggering for clemency for so long that it did cast doubt on his credibility.

I think so.

And if he had, well, for example, I think Ehrlichman and all of them will be believed when they say they didn't say anything about clemency.

I think John Mitchell was so careless in what he said.

Well, I tell you, I think it's going to come out.

What do you do about it?

I was thinking how the process works.

I suppose that if Cochran really wanted to play this bloody pitch, he obviously does.

It's interesting, they're all whatever people.

I never figured out how they could get anybody else.

We just had a hell of a time.

And we had to keep hands off, so he's got it.

That's that.

I suppose what they can do is if they want to re-emerge the president is to have a grand jury.

It can be a grand jury if they can put out some sort of, I don't know what they call it, just a sort of title statement.

Not a title statement, but a presentment.

I suppose in that they could condemn the president.

Right.

The other thing they could send a presentment down, or send something down to the Congress and say we should consider this for impeachment.

That's the other thing they could do.

Basically, they don't have the evidence.

Not a goddamn thing.

They would only do that if the department recommended it.

They're not that sophisticated.

So there would have to be a recommendation about it.

We're getting now, though, into the political atmosphere.

It's not basically even the committee's breaking down on that.

They thought it was super partisan.

If he goes to the military, that's going to raise one hell of a question about him.

Because why did he go ahead and build the ship?

Why did he assist them?

The other point that we have to bear in mind, though, is that, you know, we have some ridiculous suggestions right now.

You couldn't resign for a second.

You'd have stolen the whole goddamn White House.

No.

You know, what then happened?

Turned the reins over to egg and sons.

Is that what they wanted?

Yeah.

But what is your opinion at the present time?

Well, I think we can run away from this law.

I have lost count of it.

It's been murders.

It seems to me that what you're doing is about what you can do.

It's going to continue to be tough for a while.

I think it's going to turn around.

Certainly, as far as other leaders of the rest of the world are concerned, they just say, oh, for Christ's sake, the president's been a great president.

Give him my message, guys, and tell him not to worry.

And hold him there.

This is uniform.

That's true in the world, but I guess it doesn't make much difference in the country.

Anyway, what we take here, we can take.

But I don't think Congress, I would hope, at a certain point...

realize that this is not in their interest to really destroy the presidency.

You know, look, when they were taking on old Truman, back there, when they were taking on Truman, Johnson was not taken on.

They could have done it.

You know, this is what they're doing now.

It's a curse.

Well, they're just trying to fight the election.

Isn't that it?

And of course, this one was titled by the press.

So they had a special interest in it.

They had a special interest in it.

And the chairman had a special interest in it, but there was a cover-up.

There was a cover-up.

We know that.

And now, it's very apparent that the whole goddamn event was done because of Paul Mitchell.

If God came dead to rock and set it, he's a poor fellow who would have sold it.

He's a killer, sir, okay?

You don't think so?

I don't know about the legal thing, but I know his emotional state so far this morning, but he's got the crazy wife, he's got a nice little daughter, and it's a deeply thought-provoking son that you know is a part of your, you know, is a proud man and so forth.

What the hell do you want to do?

But I think it's a good thing.

It's a good chance.

That's exactly right.

I think the other point is that, on the other hand, you know, you may have never shared a baby for another reason.

How in the hell can anybody get a fair trial in the life of this kind of person?

I don't think his attorneys could have judged Raven's whole hell on this, but would you agree?

I don't think they're going to try to fight this to a hell for his own life.

Let's come back to the president.

How does he get a fair trial here?

Let me just continue.

I'll do what we're doing.

I think you have to do what you're doing.

I think as time goes on, there'll be weak spots to develop.

And when those weak spots develop, we have to figure out how to take advantage of them.

In other words, there'll be conflicting testimony.

The dean will make some mistakes.

The committee will make mistakes.

And at that point, it seems to me we ought to focus in, point out what a ridiculous thing this is.

the state is getting out of hand, the committee's responsible for whatever we say, I think that should be done.

Basically, by other social behavior.

Everybody says, why doesn't the president want to have a press conference?

And I say, if it's a question of whether or not the president wants to do it, but if it's a question that the president himself, others must have had to do it,

It may well be that I can help someone on those things because although it's not my job as Secretary of State, I know I've experienced it.

If a committee makes a mistake, I can get a press conference.

I wouldn't volunteer, but they'll ask me and I can respond.

I think we all have to step up and switch, and I think we all can do it in a very calculated way.

We've got a very good spirit, we've got the cabinet together.

We've got two meetings from very good, good shape, leadership, good shape.

It's been on a very good stage.

We've really covered the whole business of why the hell you have to protect against police and so forth and so on.

And that's done.

Now that's taken the case.

Now the thing is for us to pick our characters and find out who

But this, what you're reading from now to it, this is basically a political assault on a great thing to do, where you've got an opposition Congress with almost total support from the press.

And for that reason, it's tough to do this.

But it can be won.

I've heard a lot of people like Mayfield, and Albert, if you've been in discussions like this.

We're going to try to get Harold back.

by the first of July.

And I think I'm just trying to have Bryce not to be a dictated job, because as a counselor, there's some talk shooting around.

He's the one that's got to work on that.

See, it can't be done at lower levels of care.

I mean, I have a, uh, course of thinking.

I, I think a couple of the things, some of those things, they seem very effective to me.

I don't know what they're, uh, they're up to.

But, uh, I don't say so.

One side of the horse, most of the, most of the grand jury has the sort of throw-in-its-person, the throw-off, the rest of the law.

I don't think that's a possibility.

I think it's all going to revolve, really all going to revolve in the sense of how, how strong the indictment, or depending on what Ehrlichman is involved with, if deans say, probably they still won't testify before the committee, but now that he's indicted, I don't think so.

Yeah, another matter is the best one.

Yeah, he'll be indicted in this one.

Yeah, the point is, is whether or not the indictment's been found before,

before he's called.

What about everyone involved in the big mess?

Have they been summoned before the committee came?

No.

The committee is blind.

They're in a plan to control it.

Basically, they can manage a settler or whatever.

They're all playing deep, trying to get him.

The committee wants to get him, you know, because they, mainly because they're starting to hit star weights against all of them.

The other hand.

Now, the committee may be starting on that road.

I mean, the destruction is going to be, I mean, it's going to be top priority.

Well, anyway, he's scared.

He's scared.

So are the others.

He's still scared.

Hello, John.

Are they scared of you?

No, they're fine.

I can see.

They, they, they do not, well, their parents do not think they can make a big deal out of it.

And they don't think they're going to make a big deal out of it.

They may have money that could be wrong for the second account.

My own view is that there are people on the hell of a ton that are going to make a big deal out of it.

Do they think they're going to make a big deal out of the Grand Jury?

Yes.

Well, it was tough.

I didn't think the Grand Jury was going to make a big deal out of it.

See, you've got this problem, Phil, none of the press comes through.

But the U.S. Attorney's Office is screwed because here Dean and other folks handle it so well that it makes them look bad.

So now they're trying to overcompensate to get some money.

They didn't understand that.

It's gross.

They want to prove by God that they're not, that they're doing their job.

So, so they're going after these guys, but Bob and John are standing up.

Well, let me put it this way, I don't know how little I can hear, and they're handling themselves very well.

These are both strong.

Yeah.

And I know, as a matter of fact, I think they're both here, but I have one hell of a ton of victims.

You take them.

You take them to so-called money.

The money claim is a question of intent.

They've got to prove that any money was used for these events, no matter how, whether or not their specific intent was to shut it up.

You know, it's not easy for them to do that.

His involvement was pretty treacherous.

He just said, you know, get the money out of here.

That's all.

Somebody else did everything.

Well, you see, it was only later on, it was only in the March 21st that he came in.

The whole problem, the whole question that first struck my attention.

Basically, the money thing was causing the problem of what we call blackmail.

That's when I began my investigation.

Well,

started, started, a lot of hearing, we started going.

But it's a curious thing, you know, is people will wonder how it could have all happened, I mean, how the Watergate could have happened, and how, say, by the year of 350, we're going to go down like that.

And I, I asked him, I said, why didn't Buster be there to tell me?

He said, why didn't Ernie go tell me, for example, that he had approved, uh, ComBot raising money in advance?

This is in July.

He said, we just didn't think it was that important.

We didn't think it was that important.

He said, we didn't think there was nothing wrong about it.

And so forth.

And of course, the other thing, they were not really trying to protect me so much.

He said, as we all know, I was god damn busy.

I had not made a campaign.

We had the foreign policy problem and all the rest.

And they just, I just didn't have any time for the campaign.

No, that's all the rest of it.

So it's, so the truth happens in these characters in the fiction.

I didn't know about the goddamn thing until Margie.

I think, I think they, I think they argued with it.

That they didn't tell you because they didn't think it was wrong or of any importance.

They've already said that.

But they didn't.

That's the point.

They didn't.

They didn't tell me.

And, so that's that.

But, the, uh, look, even though that, uh, many will not believe it, they'll say, oh, I lost you, and so forth, if you walk out of there, you've got a goddamn job, and eventually you survive it.

And in the end, we'll do it the whole bunch.

It's all such a chicken-chicken thing.

Very good.

Chicken-chicken thing.

About it.

I mean, it's a complicated thing to do.

He had no rhyme or reason at all.

And then after that, he had a problem with that.

But they grabbed on.

And basically, Mitchell was trying to keep from getting a step-breaker.

And that's what was happening.

So he got the arrest of McGregor and Dean.

I really think that's what happened here.

By the time, John was an extremely careless fellow.

But look how it was in that festival.

Or was it just the houses?

No, I think he was, I was not a feeling useful, but he just didn't give a good goddamn.

But take Pesco, you don't need anybody.

I'm amazed at what he's saying.

When we sent one over there, he negotiated with the SEC lawyers about keeping out the allegation about the $250,000.

Well, Chris, well, Sherman Hemsworth just makes the phone call.

And you'd think Stan, having gone through that whole thing with Sherman Hemsworth, would have known it.

You know, I can't believe I, uh, I was more intrigued with, you know, even though I didn't have to read the book and talk to him about it, including this, this paragraph in the, uh, in the complaint.

That's why he told me I did it.

The intern, Mitchell, did the same thing.

That's what I took care of at the time.

I was a pretty decent guy.

What about Casey?

Well, he survived.

I think he could survive.

I didn't think Cook, what I told him, how big I could seem to have told you that he was.

We had to move because he was a patient.

I was wondering about Casey, though.

He kept a low profile on him, I guess.

So far, it was not the chairman that did it.

In other words, they didn't talk to him.

They talked to Cook.

Well, they talked to him.

They talked to the chairman about it.

Was he the chairman?

Yeah.

Well, no, they didn't talk to the chairman about this.

They just talked to Cook.

And Cook talked to the chairman about the paragraph.

He didn't talk to him about the conversation.

He didn't talk to him about the contributions.

Casey didn't know about that.

I think Casey knew.

He said, well, he's embarrassed.

You know, the tragedy is, you know, these guys, you know, recent men, they don't like us.

They don't like talking to kids.

I feel they're all different.

And, uh...

They were all doing what they thought was right.

They were trying to get the president re-elected.

They were working their ass off.

Jesus Christ.

Whack!

Here they come.

All this.

They talk about the system.

They should approve the goddamn system.

It's your business.

It's a prosecution.

Maybe the opposition can do the prosecuting.

It's funny, I talked to Elliot about persistence before he left.

He had a whole list of people, any one of them was all right, but he didn't mention Cox.

Well, isn't that in a way, not in a way an issue, but just as well in a way of a goddamn thing?

I think so.

A little bit political.

I think what I mean by that is a whole damn thing.

A whole damn thing.

That's what I'm getting at.

I think we just have to do our job.

But it now is, it really is a very partisan political struggle.

I think that's why, and it costs nobody to claim he's not, you know, totally independent.

That's what that is.

So what part can you do there?

I think all of the systems are.

Well, that's the way it is.

That's the way it is.

But I think about how much has happened since April 15th and 16th when we were on that boat.

I don't think anyone in this chair has taken so much shit about, I mean, if it had involved great issues, that would be one thing.

that it involves, you know, here it involves first, as I say, small, terribly embarrassing things, but it also involves personality, it's another story.

And I'm curious, and it also involves, as I said, the tech, integrity of the office.

God, that can't have that.

I don't think that will last.

I mean, I think people that are fighting on the office are going to be a hell of a lot more interested as we move around here in the country.

They're more interested in what happens in terms of the peace of the world and the achievements domestically and internally and all that.

Bryce Harlow, in an interesting way, he said, this issue has no legs.

He said, then you go back to the Bible chapter.

He said, that issue has legs.

It doesn't involve arms.

Well, we know that everybody

I don't think it's a good idea to get out in front too much too soon.

No, no, no, no, no.

Some of these things do have a little head coming out of the head.

Yeah.

Also, you don't want to start a crack and have that come up from another.

That's right.

But we think, we know pretty much what they're going to come up with.

It'll be the same thing over and over.

But nevertheless, if you play a game, make them shoot their goddamn watch.

I'm not going to ever talk about this thing about Dean's, this piece of paper that he gave to Suica and to the coroner's chair, but you'll have to read the statement that I made.

I covered it in that.

What it was, and I got back, I think it showed you that the children were there.

He thought this was a paradise, but it's a disaster.

Half of it was that we set up that in the...

Oh, I read your statement, so I know.

No, it's just the answer.

That's it.

I see.

What he thought was, Dean, Dean didn't have that paper.

It was, he came to his attention five months later after he came to the White House.

Somebody from the Justice Department just mailed it over to him and said, here, I thought you ought to have this for your files.

Dean, I don't think Newton, Eric,

that the piece of the paper, which everybody agreed on, was an analyst recommendation, and not an influence.

He had been turned down because he would reject it.

And I think that he, as he began to strike his own defense, he thought, well, boy, here's one that'll really embarrass him.

You see what I mean?

And so he gave that, that was the thing.

That was the whole content.

So it never, this was just a plan, it was never put into action.

As a matter of fact, the plan has not been ever put into action.

It was approved one day and five days later, Hoover's suggestion was disapproved and withdrawn.

And everybody was so testifying to him.

That's as far as they could speak.

Oh, it involves Admiral Kyler, General Bennett.

See, they were all silent.

See, that, oh, hell yes, Kyler, Bennett, Hoover, were all on it.

And they had some other organization.

But those, that's anonymous.

They all agreed, they all signed it and recommended this course of action, which, that was the time we had some very serious problems in the internal security area.

And then, and then Cooper checked it because he, Pete Cooper, didn't want to work with the other agencies on breaking the internal security, other than the FBI used to do.

So I said, okay, I won't do it because he wouldn't do it.

So there was never anything like that.

And I think Dane didn't know that.

So it was a, that was just a bubble that he talked about.

I see.

Tell him what Dane has.

It's just simply his own case.

He's got nothing to do with it.

He just knows everything that happened.

Certainly doesn't have anything to do with it.

Himself, doesn't have anything to do with it.

It'll always be his word against somebody, so he doesn't have any documents as far as we know.

documents.

I mean, that's not for me.

That's for sure.

Because I never, I never tried communicating with him.

Whether he has any from home or early, I would not know.

I would think that if he had, he'd be starting to use them.

He's thinking maybe that.

Yeah.

I've heard what's his latest leak in there.

But he has believed a lot in that, but it's just been bits and pieces and so forth.

He's getting somewhat desperate.

I don't know much of it, so I can't get anything else to it.

But I don't think he had a problem with it.

You might have something where we could always have, of course, his memorandum of conversations, which don't become documents.

I mean, it's a little bit, they'll probably set some memorandum of conversation.

It's something where you characterize what you thought was to happen rather than to, I mean, it's not, I mean, it's the best testimony is the man himself.

Well, anyway, we can sort of obtain

or whatever he does, maybe because his truth, as far as I'm speaking, we have on Earth.

And he survived, too.

But I survived because I, fortunately, have truth on my side.

How about old man, is he, is he pretty good as far as you're concerned?

Is he, yeah, she's not sorry about that, but not at all.

He is perfectly all right.

Early in his, perhaps, a little softer.

That's due to the fact that he's iron sensitive.

They hold him up late.

Early in particular.

But you know, Bill was the rightful man to do that.

They were in the things that came out since then.

And they were sitting in this place now.

Hell, it would be a totally resolution to teach them that.

It would look as if you were coming in for them.

Yeah.

There's no chance.

You really had no choice.

Too bad they couldn't see.

But nevertheless, their spirit is good, I must say.

When I say theirs, they're all of us.

I know that's one of the challenges.

They have nothing.

As far as they're concerned, they can go off.

and tell anything they want to this university.

I know the truth.

That's the whole thing about this.

The truth happens to be that the president didn't know about this goddamn thing and really took the bull by the horns and tried to get them to get it.

And they helped.

After Dean failed on the 1st of April, he came to the wire and said,

He gave me an oral report, but what he did do, he had eight pages of foot scab, he said, right, and then she gave it to me, eight pages of foot scab paper, and, I mean, yellow pages, and I left it for the ranger.

He gave it to them.

Now, let me tell you a very important point here, though.

He couldn't have done that if the report had been only for me because of that presidential paper and I'm not going to have an interview on that for any particular reason.

What happened is I told him.

I said, all right, give it to Peterson.

So I had to say, I had directed him to give it to Peterson.

Having directed him to give it to Peterson, he thereby gave it to the grand jury.

So in other words, the report was one that I directed him to give because they got it.

And that's a good report.

I mean, one that's good and special.

You can say, oh, gosh, yes.

there's a problem

Before or after, every one time I asked you, should I ask you, you said no.

I didn't.

I never asked my children.

We had never discussed money, clemency, anything with John.

I had never.

Never in one word.

So he's careless.

Now he's good to me.

But what's careless?

On the other hand...

Well the reason of course it would have made no sense if you had asked him was because he denied it publicly.

I know.

So if you had asked him and he told you something, how could you have done it?

Well that's the point.

The point is he hasn't denied it publicly.

If anybody were asking him, of course not.

He denied it publicly and I believe he didn't consume it.

And the same is true of all of them.

But all of them are going to be dead.

Well, we'll have, as a matter of fact, if they ever get to the hearings, all of an early read on that, to admit this is the time of the hearings, it will be very good for the society at all.

But I don't see myself how Cox can't let that go to hearings.

And he let their lawyers let it go.

I don't see how.

If you were the lawyer, would you let, say, suppose Bob Oliver died, would you let that go up before a committee for a hearing?

You couldn't, could you?

Well, nonetheless, you felt that you could.

But I certainly wouldn't do it if you thought there was any risk.

But it's possible you could save yourself, folks.

But up there, you see, with no rules of evidence, hearsay, and all that sort of thing.

Jesus Christ, I mean, that's no way to draw the law.

Criminal cases are being moved.

I think you want to apply this to you.

I've never been in criminal work, but I understand the defense is very close.

Keep it as narrow as possible.

Of course, of course.

Well, the only difference would be that, in the case of someone like Holland, who made a good witness, who really made a very good witness, would be that you have all the disadvantages of the trial anyway, because they put all their money on it against you at the time.

Yeah.

So that you have an opportunity.

They're a bad fellow.

Yeah, that's right.

So maybe they shouldn't go up against him.

You have an opportunity to get your story across to everybody in the country.

Yeah.

So I think it depends on how the thing, how it develops.

Certainly, you wouldn't want to go up there and have the view as short-testimony, is it?

Yeah.

I wonder how much... Another little bit more of that.

Yes, sir.

How much...

I want to see Arch, Mr. Sears, why, uh, having this service...

even though even though they're going up but we should see

Well, you know, it's quite possible to turn the public against the committee if you do it right.

They did that with Owen Brewster, Howard Hughes did it.

So it depends on how the thing develops.

If the committee handles itself well and fairly responsibly, then the thing goes to try to turn it off.

But if the committee goes far wild, then sort of take it on.

You know, this lice on the eating is going to be a pain in the head.

Ah, you're going to have a skeleton.

Yes, Chief.

Okay.

If I can help you kill them.

Okay, I will do it.

It's not contagious to the doctor, it's just a virus.

You don't know.

Hey, John.

How are you?

Good to see you.

I think he's a lot better than we think he is.

I think that he's going to

Publicly, he's going to play the left, because he's got a hell of a lot of people in this country doing the left, particularly young people.

But privately, he's going to be much more familiar with us in the East Bank, and he's got some good young ministers, not young, good ministers, tells the public.

And I've met most of them, and they're sensible.

And I think so many girls do this to him.

I'll just say that these girls do this to him.

And I met this foreign minister who seemed like a very nice fellow.

Went to school at the University of Pennsylvania in Virginia.

Went to law school in New York.

His wife was from NYU.

He was a doctor who, the man who was closest to him, the Minister of Justice, well, one of the men closest to him, had his life saved in New York Hospital.

A cancer 20 years ago, but he almost survived to the United States.

I'm glad you're here.

And, uh, he's Dr. Matthew, uh, Mr. Peter.

The other Mr. was Stephen Perlman's, uh, doctor.

He's the Minister of Education.

He did a great work with us.

So, of course, that's why.

But, uh, of course, I didn't think it was going to work.

Ready now?

Question, sir.

Hi, how are you?

All right.

Great.

I think you're such a perfect guy.

Thank you.

I guess not the government, that's what you're talking about.

I wish I could have known.

We started going here.

We started going.

It's a curious thing.

People will wonder how many of us, it could have all happened.

I mean, how the Watergate could have happened.

People will wonder how it could have all happened.

How, say, by the time you're 350, it will happen.

I mean, how the Watergate could have happened.

And how it would have happened.

And I asked him, I said, why did it bust?

He said, by the time you're 350, it will have happened.

He didn't tell me.

But in early October, I asked him, I said, why didn't Buster be there?

He said, well, he had approved.

He said, why didn't Buster be there?

He said, well, he had approved.

This is in July.

We didn't think there was any reason to tell you.

And so forth.

And of course it was the other thing.

We didn't think there was any reason to tell you.

And so forth.

And of course it was the other thing.

They were not really trying to protect me so much.

He said, they were not really trying to protect me so much.

He said, as we all know, I was gone and busy.

As we all know, I was god damn busy.

And they just, I just didn't spend any time with the campaign, no one told us to.

We had the campaign, we had the board of policy from, and all the rest.

And they, so the truth happens to be strange from the fiction.

I didn't know about the god damn thing.

I just didn't spend any time with the campaign, no one told us to.

So it's, so the, I think the, I think the argument that

I didn't know about the goddamn thing.

They didn't tell you because they didn't think it was wrong or of any importance.

I think they've already said that.

But they didn't.

That's the point.

They didn't tell you because they didn't tell me.

And so that's that.

I didn't think it was wrong.

I didn't think the importance of breaking the rules.

But they've already said that.

But they didn't.

That's the point.

They didn't tell me.

And so that's that.

Well, the, uh, look, didn't even know that, uh, many will not believe it, and I said, oh, I must do it, and so forth.

The, uh, look, didn't even know that, uh, many will not believe it.

If you walk out of it, you're gonna get a goddamn job and eventually survive it.

And I said, oh, I must do it, and so forth.

In the end, if you walk out of it, you're gonna get the whole bunch.

I don't rhyme or reason at all.

you had a problem with the other one.

Check this little thing, I mean, about, about, I mean, the thing crept on, and basically my shoulder was trying to keep from getting stiff right here, and then what was it?

It accomplished anything, you get it?

And no rhyme or reason at all, so he got me the arrest of McGregor and Dean.

I went to the hotel, and then after that,

He had a problem with him, I don't know what happened.

But then he grabbed my arm.

And basically, my shoulder was trying to keep from getting stiff right here.

And that's what I was in.

So, he got me the arrest and I heard it was Dean.

I didn't do it.

You know, John was an extremely careless fellow.

Well, look how it was in that festival.

I knew it.

John was an extremely careless fellow.

Well, look how it was in that festival.

It was a goddamn program.

Well, it wasn't just careless.

I think he was, I honestly think he was, I honestly had a feeling he was swooned, but, uh, I honestly just didn't give a good goddamn.

But take this, you know, anybody, I'm amazed at what I feel he was swooned, but, uh, I honestly just didn't give a good goddamn.

What are you saying?

Well, we stand for all the...

And you go shit it with me.

But take this.

You don't need anybody.

I'm going to make the CDC lawyers about keeping the boys to answer out the allegations about the two of them.

When we stand over there, we'll let you in on that.

You go shit it with me.

I'll come and spoil it for you.

But I'm just going to talk to Dr. Justin to make the CDC lawyers about keeping out the allegations and make a full call about the two of them.

And you think fans haven't gone through with that whole thing with $50,000.

Okay, well, Sherman, I just got to talk to Doug to just make the phone call.

And you've been saying that we've gone through that whole thing with Sherman.

You know, I can't believe I, you know, I was more into, more into, you know, you know, you know that.

That's why he's on my hip.

The internment room is the same thing that's, the same thing that's, that's where I took care of the, that's where I took care of the personal items, that's where I took care of the personal items.

I didn't need you to go anyplace.

I'm pretty nice man.

What about Casey?

I can see you both right now.

Well, can he survive the night that he can survive?

I didn't think Cook, when I told him that, they didn't see me.

I told you that.

I didn't think Cook, when I told him that, they didn't see me.

I told you that.

We had to, we had to, we had to, we had to, we had to, we had to, we had to, we had to, we had to, we had to, we had to, we had to, we had to, we had to, we had to, we had to, we had to,

It was not the chairman that did it.

In other words, they didn't talk to him, thank God.

They didn't talk to him, thank God.

Yeah.

Well, they didn't talk to the chairman about this.

They talked to Cook.

Well, no, they didn't talk to the chairman about this.

Cook talked to the chairman about the paragraphs.

I didn't talk to him about the conversation.

He didn't have a mission, so in case he talked to him about it, he didn't know about it.

I didn't talk to him about it, so in case he talked to him about it, he didn't know about it.

I think he's better.

He's better.

You know the tragedy has built these guys.

They are recent now.

They don't want to mess with them.

They have to go home.

I'm talking to your kids.

I feel they're home.

I'm talking to your kids.

I feel they're home.

And they're, they're, they're embarrassed.

They're embarrassed.

They were all doing what they'd done with Ryan Cowdery.

What they'd done with Ryan Cowdery.

And the president re-elected.

And they were working their ass off.

And Jesus Christ.

And they were whacking.

And Jesus Christ.

And they were whacking.

Here they come.

All this.

And they talk about the sister.

They talk about the sister.

The sister.

Good gut.

Everybody sells the... Everybody sells the...

It's funny, I talked to Elliot about his persistence before he left.

He had a whole list of people out there.

He wanted to put his art in.

He didn't mention Cox.

He had a whole list of people out there.

He wanted to put his art in.

He didn't mention Cox.

That way.

The whole damn thing.

It now is.

It really is.

It now is.

It really is.

I think that's right.

And it costs, with nobody to claim, it's a very important .

I think that's right.

And it costs a totally independent .

Nobody to claim.

He's not totally independent.

So what part can you do there?

All of his assistants are.

But, uh, how do I think, uh, how much has happened?

Well, that's the way it is.

Since April 15th, 16th, we were on that boat.

Oh, my.

That's what it is.

But, uh, how do I think, uh, how much has happened?

Like anybody in this chair is thinking so much shit.

Since April 15th, 16th, we were on that boat, huh?

I don't think anyone in this chair has taken so much shit about, I mean, if it involved, if it involved great issues, that would be one thing, great issues, that would be one thing, but if it involves, you know, if it involves, you know, if it involves, as I say, if it involves, as I say, it will be terribly embarrassing, and I can say it's small, but it will be embarrassingly embarrassing,

I mean, I think people with a lot of more interest in it.

I mean, I think people with a lot of more

They're more efficient than you.

And they will be.

And they will be more efficient than you.

They have to be more efficient than you.

What happens is different.

And they change so as the world, and the world, and the end of the achievement, the end of the achievement, the end of the improvement, the end of the improvement, the end of the improvement, the end of the improvement,

This issue has no legs, and then you go back to the... You go back to the... That issue has legs.

You go back to the... That issue has legs.

You go back to the...

This issue is political, it's partisan.

Well, we're a little sketchy now

I don't think it's a good idea to get out in front too much too soon

I don't think it's a good idea to get out in front too much too soon.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

It'll be the same thing on roll.

It'll be the same thing.

But nevertheless, if you play big, make it.

So let them shoot their own roller.

But nevertheless, if you play big, make it.

So let them shoot their goddamn water.

Let them shoot their goddamn water.

I never thought I'd like to think about deems as a piece of paper and get it to Sue.

And then to the college here.

Sue, and then to the college here.

You'll have to read the statement that I made.

What it was.

You'll have to read the statement that I made.

What it was.

It showed you that the children were there.

He thought this was paradise.

He thought this was paradise when he was asked this.

I have a policy, as I asked this, I have a policy, we set up, we set up, day in and day out.

Oh, I read, I read this thing, so I know.

Day in and day out.

Oh, I know, it's this, that's Mickey.

I see.

I read, what do you talk, this thing, so I know.

No, it's Gene.

Dean didn't do this.

I see.

What he thought was Dean had that paper.

He came to his attention five months later.

Dean didn't after he came to the White House.

Somebody had that paper.

He came to his attention five months later.

The Justice Department just mailed it over to him after he came to the White House and said, here, I thought you ought to have this.

Somebody, through your files from the Justice Department, just mailed it over to him.

I don't want to have this new error files that the piece of the paper which everybody agreed on.

Dean, I don't think new error that the piece of the paper recommendation and not which everybody turned off.

And I agreed on it.

It was an analyst's recommendation, and not the gentleman's.

It turned out that Schroeder claimed that he, as he began to judge him, had charged his own defense.

He thought, oh, here's one thing.

And I think that he, as he began to charge his own, really, defense person, is going to

And so he gave that.

It's a matter of fact, the plan will come to me.

So it never, this is just a plan, it was never put into action.

It's a matter of fact, a few days later, Hoover's my cousin, who suggested it.

It's a plan.

It's a matter of fact, a few days later, Hoover's my cousin, who suggested it.

that the Florida State was disapproved and withdrawn.

And everybody's vote that follows Pat Mulcahy, General Guest of Honor, that the Florida State, General Bennett, see they are all silent, see that O'Haley S. Guiler, Bennett, Hoover, that's the vote that follows Pat Mulcahy, General Bennett, see they are all silent, see that O'Haley S. Guiler and the

We're all watching at the head of some other organization.

Those, that's a non-organization.

All of them, they all agreed for a moment.

All of them, they all agreed.

They all signed it and recommended this course.

That was the time.

We had some very serious issues.

That was the time.

And then Cooper rejected because he didn't want to work with the other agencies.

I didn't want to work with the other agents, other than the FBI.

I used to do.

So, I said, okay, I won't do it.

I used to do.

So, I said, okay, I won't do it.

So, it was never anything like that.

And I think they didn't know that.

So, that was just a bugsy for the public.

And I think Dane didn't know that.

So that was just a bubble.

Tell what Dane asked.

He just knows everything that happened.

himself with regard to home and her.

He'll always be, he has a word against somebody, so he doesn't have any documents as far as we know.

Documents?

I mean, that's not for me.

That's for sure.

Because I never, I never turned to any of the kids.

Whether he has any from home or her, I would not know.

I would be a, I would think that if he had, he'd be starting to use the case that he's got ready.

He just knows everything that happened, certainly with regard to himself and with regard to home and her.

He'll always speak his word against something, so he doesn't have any documents as far as we know.

Documents?

Well, he has them for me.

That's for sure.

Because I never, I never tried communicating with him.

Whether he has any from home or her, I would not know.

That would be a...

I would think that if he had, he'd be starting to use them.

He's leaking them.

Yeah.

I've heard what's his latest leak.

But he hasn't leaked a lot, but it's just been a bunch of pieces and so forth.

A lot happened, but it's just been...

I don't think he had it with all of them.

He might have some.

We could always have, of course, his memorandum of conversations.

I don't think he had it with all of them.

Well,

We can survive Dean, or whatever he does.

Maybe it becomes his truth as far as I'm speaking.

We haven't been on Earth.

They may survive too, but I can survive because I fortunately have the truth on my side.

How about old man, is he, is he pretty good as far as you're concerned?

Is he, yeah, she's not a star, but not at all.

Early on, he's perhaps a little softer.

They both are lovely.

Early on, particularly.

But you know, Bill was the rightful man.

Good God, if they were in the things that have come out since then, and they were sitting in this place now, hell, it would be a total irresolution to teach them.

There's no good in no chance.

You really have no choice.

It's too bad they haven't seen it.

recently but basically you've got to realize this whatever their experience

They have nothing.

As far as they're concerned, they can go out and tell anything they want, as far as they're concerned.

I know the truth.

They ought to.

The truth happens to be that the president didn't know about this goddamn thing and really took the bull by the horns and tried to get them to get it.

And they ought to.

They ought to conduct it.

After Dean failed on the 1st of April and put Irving on it.

He came to the line and said, did he have to develop it?

What did you do with it?

Oh, he gave me an oral report, but what he did do, he had eight pages of foot scab, he said, right, and then she gave it to me, eight pages of foot scab paper, and, I mean, yellow pages, and I left it for the grand jury.

He gave it to them.

He couldn't have done that if the report had been only for me, the president of that presidential paper.

I'm not going to ever hear all that from him.

But what happened is I told him.

So in other words, the report was one that I directed him to give because they got it.

You can say, oh, gosh.

There's a problem with me.

Before or after, every one time I asked you, should I ask you whether or not you said no, I didn't.

I never asked my children whether he had anything to do with Watergate, government, or anything like that.

We have never discussed money, clemency, anything, which I don't think where you characterized what you thought was going to happen, rather than say, well, I have never, never in one word.

And so these carousels did not exist for me.

It was carousels on the other hand.

Well, the reason, of course, that it would have made no sense for you to ask him is because he denied it publicly.

I know.

So if you would ask him and he told you something, how could you let him?

Well, that's the point.

The best testimony is the man himself on the cross-examination.

Well, I mean, we can sort of obtain.

We just haven't denied it publicly.

He denied it publicly, and I believe he didn't do it.

And the same is true of all of them, but all of them, whatever he does, may get together when it ends, of course.

The truth, as far as I'm speaking, we have on Earth.

And it is fine, too.

But, uh, the, uh, I is fine, because I, fortunately, have the truth on my side.

How about old man, is he, is he pretty good as far as you can tell?

Is he, yeah, she's not the star, but not at all.

Early on, perhaps a little softer.

They both look lovely.

Early on, particularly.

But you know, Bill was the rightful man to do it.

They were in the things that came out since then.

And they were sitting in this place now.

Hell, it would be a totally resolution to teach them.

Yeah.

You really had no choice.

Too bad they couldn't see.

They have nothing as far as they're concerned.

They can go off.

and tell anything they want to this university.

I know the truth.

The truth happens to be that the president didn't know about this goddamn thing and really took the over their hearts and tried to get them to get it.

And they helped.

After Dean failed on the 1st of April, he came to the wire and said,

He gave me an oral report, but what he did do, he had eight pages of full-staff, he sat right in that chair and gave it to me, eight pages of full-staff paper, and, I mean, yellow pages, and I left it for the grand jury.

He gave it to them.

He couldn't have done that if the report had been only for me, the president, the president of the paper.

I'm not going to ever hear all that from him.

What happened is I told him.

So in other words, the report was one that I directed him to give.

I can say, oh, gosh.

There's a problem with me.

Before or after, every one time I asked you, should I ask you whether or not you said no, I didn't.

I never asked my children whether he had anything to do with Watergate, government, or anything like that.

We have never discussed money, clemency, anything with John McGill.

I have never.

Never in one word.

So his carelessness is not as good to me as it was carelessness on the other hand.

That's it.

You're going to have a lot of scrap there.

Yeah.

Well, the reason, of course, that it would have made no sense if you had asked him is because he denied it publicly.

I know.

So if you had asked him and he told you something, how could you have done it?

Well, that's the point.

The point is haven't denied it publicly.

He denied it publicly.

And the same is true of all of them.

But all of them heard what I did ask, of course.

And D, that didn't... And D...

Well, now they'll

They will be very good on this.

As a matter of fact, I don't see myself, if they ever get to the hearings, Cox can't let them go to hearings.

And even their, all of them, early, and their lawyers let them go.

Try to see how, if you were the lawyer, if you knew that, Dan Grimes,

it would be very good but I don't see myself how Cox can't let men go to hearings and he let their lawyers let them go if you were the lawyer let them go but you let them say let them go out before a hearing you couldn't cut you

Well, I certainly wouldn't do it if you thought there was any risk.

I mean, unless you felt that you could turn the trial over, you could set yourself low.

But out there, you see, there are no rules of ethics.

But you're saying, all I'm saying, I mean, if you question,

That's no way to cross the law.

But it's possible you could set yourself low.

But up there you're sitting with no rules of evidence.

You're sitting.

All that sort of thing.

Jesus Christ, I mean, I would... That's no way to cross the law.

Criminal cases are being moved.

I think you want to have...

I understand I never did any criminal work, but I understand the defense attorney judge to keep it as narrow as possible.

Well, the only difference would be that in the case of someone like Holmes, who would make a good witness, would be that you have all the disadvantages of the trial, but the only difference would be that

would be that you have all the disadvantages of the trial anyway because they put all their money on it against you at that time.

Yeah.

So that you have an opportunity.

There have been, though.

You have an opportunity.

There have been, though.

Maybe they shouldn't go up against them.

You have an opportunity to get your story across.

You have an opportunity to explain the country.

Yeah.

Get your story across and explain the country.

Yeah.

So I think it depends on how the thing, how it develops.

Yeah.

So I think it's clear you wouldn't want to go up there and .

I wonder how much .

Yes, sir.

Sir, you wouldn't want to go up there and .

I wonder how much .

I want to see our .

Even though we're going up, even though we're going up, even though we're going up, even though we're going up, even though we're going up, even though we're going up, even though we're going up, even though we're going up,

Well, you know, it's quite possible to turn, well, that's what I think.

I agree.

I agree with that.

They did that with one booster, Howard Hughes did.

So it depends on how the thing develops.

If the committee handles itself well and fairly responsibly, then the thing just has to turn it off.

The thing just has to turn it off.

But if the committee goes far away, but if the committee goes far away, that sort of thing.

This is the place where the meeting is going to begin.

You can have scallop.

They're just, the doctor just requires fire.

They just, they just do.

I don't think I know.

It's not contagious to the doctor, it's just a virus.

You don't know.

Hey, Doug.

How are you?

Nice to see you.

Good.

Nice to see you.

I'm good.

Is there anything I can do to help you?

I'm having dinner tonight with the Argentinian ambassador.

Is there anything specifically I can do to help you?

Well, I just told him that I had a good meeting with Dr.

Camper.

I just told him that I had a good meeting with Dr.

Camper.

It's been about an hour with him.

I think he's a lot better about an hour with him than we think he is.

I think that he's going to...

I think he's a lot better, publicly, he's going to play the left than we think he is.

I think that he's going to address his debt.

Publicly, he's going to play the left, address his debt, and help other people in this country.

He's going to play the left and help other people.

But privately, he's going to play the left and help other people.

He's going to play the left and help other people.

But privately, he's going to be elected.

He's got some good young ministers.

And I met this foreign minister.

I just fell into school at the University of Pennsylvania.

He was in law school in New York.

His wife was in law school in New York.

His wife knew the doctor who

The man who was close to NYU was to administer justice to the doctors.

Well, one of the men was to the doctor.

The man who had his life saved in New York Hospital, a cancer 20 years ago, and so he owes his life to the United States.

He was closest to administer justice.

Well, one of the men was to...

He had his life saved in New York Hospital.

He had cancer 20 years ago, so he owes his life to the United States.

We're glad you're here.

Ready now.

Sir.

Ready now.

Sir.

All right.

Thank you.

I'm not going to do it.

like so

Okay.

I just thought the government had fucked it up.

The government had fucked it up.

I wish I could have gone.

We were, uh...

I wish I could have gone.

I wanted this meeting so that I could come out and reassert your continuing high priority interests in the Middle East.

I have heard many, many times during my stay in New York, assertions from Eric that the last particular meeting, but we have now forgotten about the Middle East because we are now administering to Europe.

And privately, I'm always pretty sure, too, I thought that this was not so, that we had not put the Middle East on the back burner, so that they needed to say, well, why don't you do something?

I said, well, let's continue to work very carefully, but the President still has a very deep personal interest in that.

some kind of settlement that our group is still to seek direct or indirect discussions and to concentrate on the intercept that we've seen in the camp.

And my call to you is to then come up, reassert this, and to do it in a way that does not invite the United Nations to play a mischievous role, but at the same time to give us a public relations posture that I can then point to, and which will also assist the NDP backstage to show its trust with the IRS and so forth.

Well, I think the addictive point could be made is this.

After our Moscow and Chinese summits, the Europeans said we were paying attention to Europe.

Now that we are paying attention to Europe, if we talk about Europe, our Asian friends and our Latin Americans say we are paying attention to them.

God knows, as I've said on a number of occasions, the major, major hotspot in the world, potential hotspot in the world.

We all know that.

But without embracing any false hopes,

We all know there isn't, as far as the interest is concerned, as far as the ability to play a constructive role is concerned, there's nothing higher priority here than the name of the show, because we know the base, we know all the forces at play, we know how great the stakes are, and it's also a very, very great power.

We're going to try very hard to avoid anything that would sound like a veto.

This is a veto.

I have five votes out of a security council since arriving.

The box score is two vetoes and three abstentions.

I haven't voted yet.

Well, I'm ready to find a resolution on motherhood pretty soon.

I could be for that.

Stop it, too.

But I'm not in a position to actually catch 50% of the United States vetoes.

And Mark Russell is one of the numerous here in town.

And it's a skit.

She doesn't have a job veto scamming.

Could you say this, sir?

Yes, sir.

We'll just put it on the record.

This is a private intervention.

Every time I can do it, just say it publicly.

People are missing.

Why don't you say it?

It's just reassuring.

We should have a very, very inexpensive currency.

Your horizon is a road right now.

What is the reason?

June 4th.

Hopefully.

The reason I'm starting with June at the time of this impression is that we're not sure.

He's going to speak before him.

No, he's not going to be fine.

No, he doesn't want to go into the real business of the shoes.

Oh, of course.

They could kill him with them.

He's just ready to put them to bed.

He's right.

They'll come out in the droves.

I guess he's a goddamnedest demonstration.

I think we can handle this.

That's the duty of some of the Can-Ravens and all that.

Well, we're going to put in the most restrictive area.

That's what the Jewish...

Troops are planning a demonstration here on Sunday.

Unfortunately, they're not going to be in the country.

I feel that there should be a relatively polite, orderly demonstration.

I don't see how we can stop them from doing such a thing.

They're taking a terrible risk, folks.

They're very serious, that's why.

And I'll see you at noon.

I don't think they can stand anything.

You know, the responsible Jews are not for this crime, too.

You know, Max Fischer and all those guys have all written me and said this is all about you.

You know, it's, I think these are the sort of, don't you believe the...

I think this includes some responsible ones who are doing it in order to fulfill the obligation of any kind of something, and then to be able to start demonstrations, respectively.

And it's supposed to be an orderly one, and they've promised us that there'd be no other demonstrations anyway.

I mean, I didn't think she was today.

Okay.

Don't worry about that.

I just thank God we got in the can.

They will fly over.

I'll tell most of the people out there to cheer.

I've been discussing this with at least probably a fair amount of these guys at the Security Council.

One of the more unbelievable moments came.

That's very clever.

The Chinese are clever people.

Well, you know, it's very interesting to me that, uh, you know, Bill went to the Fulbright program.

He got the Chinese put up.

Oh, yeah.

Fulbright.

I called Fulbright on Saturday.

Uh, he called me in the course of it.

Well, he was beside himself.

Father Mark was trying to stop him.

And he said, you put children lie out to tell him, Michael Charles, we have to keep our troops in the room.

I said, Senator, he was on the long march.

Okay, I put him out.

I didn't know he was going to see Michael Charles.

He said, well, we're going to get the troops out of the room, no matter what children lie.

I said, no matter what deals you have with children lie, to this Lord's American public of business.

And then, you know, it was really, well, I said, I've never heard it nasty before.

Then he said, you'll never approve Gray, Martin, Sullivan, or God's sake, no one who's ever been associated with Vietnam policy will ever get through this committee again.

I said, Senator Gray, Martin, was in Thailand in 1967.

That's the last connection he had with it.

He doesn't have a department in Thailand.

You know the foreign service is going to be wrecked if that policy is followed by every foreign service officer.

That's to worry him ten years from now.

He gets punished for following orders.

Oh, and for coming out successful.

But no one has accused any of these fellows for having done anything other than carry out orders.

He can't.

He can't make it, but it's really...

I thought it was your advice about the need for the United States to keep its troops in Europe.

Isn't this the first time he's ever said this?

Probably.

First time he's ever said it.

Didn't he say it a moment ago?

Yes.

And he looked more challenged.

I'm doing enough for NATO depends on the understanding of the American situation.

Oh, but he said it privately.

He said it privately.

He didn't want Congress to know that.

Well, I mean, this was a Q&A.

Well, Mark is a columnist, and so he didn't recognize the news, and he's got the news in a tail end of the story.

Okay.

And the French are doing some good defense.

So we have to try to make everybody believe in security now.

But if you don't like him, that comment you were already producing kind of a thing.

Well, he's home for the world, sir.

That's where Charles didn't recognize him.

He kept it on page 39 of his column.

It's too damn bad.

Because that's what it says.

Are they ready?

Uh, just about.

We're waiting for Senator Young and, uh, John Paul.

Okay.

Give us, give us a call when we find someone.

Okay.

Bring out these presses.

All right.

I want to tell you, I was at a, uh, dinner.

Uh, study event.

Okay.

All things gave up.

I need to tap into the light bulb.

You'll pay for that.

I need to tap into the light bulb.

I don't know.

There wasn't a light bulb.

I didn't do a lot of things.

But it's the most exclusive Italian club in the United States.

And this is really the top drawer of Italians.

Lawyers, doctors, businessmen, artists.

And I can't tell you the mood and warmth and respect and affection that exists for you at that time.

I was so proud of you.

And each time they got up to make some sort of little speech, you know, we've always included some expression of support.

Why was this, just so this is best we can pass it on to the cast?

You know, part of it, of course, is this, you know, we're taking quite a beating.

And the last couple of months, they'll take some of the cast from the project.

And I know it's miserable, but we're taking quite a beating on that.

But the curious thing about that is that while it temporarily narrows the support of whoever is taking the meeting when he's the president, it also deepens the support at the same time.

Basically, I think what has happened is people want to show who's in charge.

And they get it.

I mean, I'm referring out to our potential planners.

They see it with a rather significant accomplishment.

I was surprised, actually an overreaction, I was surprised and deeply proud of their action, their early action towards you.

Well, that was a question, it was there, and I liked your, I liked your, I liked your conversation during the

Yes, sir.