{"conversationCode":"931-002","tapeNumber":931,"conversationNumber":2,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-931-002","startDateTime":"1973-06-05T12:28:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-05T12:38:00.000Z","startDate":"5-Jun-1973","startTime":"8:28 AM","endDate":"5-Jun-1973","endTime":"8:38 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.; [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On June 5, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 8:28 am to 8:38 am. 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Ford and Scott\n                   -Preparation\n                   -Tone and content\n                   -Numbers and character\n                            -Newsmen\n                   -Elliott L. Richardson\n                   -Newsmen\n\n       John B. Connally\n\f                                           -7-\n\n                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 931-2 (cont’d)\n\n             -Schedule\n             -Conversation with Haig, June 4th\n                    -Forthcoming statement\n                            -Tone\n             -Role on White House staff\n                    -Energy, economics [?]\n                    -Importance\n                    -Melvin R. Laird\n                    -Frequency of work\n                            -Intensity\n                            -Conversation in coming months\n                    -Significance\n             -Conversation with Haig\n                    -Controversy\n                    -Top-level advisory\n                    -Conflict of interest\n                    -James R. (“Jimmy”) Hoffa\n\n      Watergate\n            -News summary\n            -John W. Dean, III\n                   -Television coverage\n            -London Times story, June 5, 1973\n                   -US press coverage\n\nAn unknown man entered at an unknown time after 8:28 am.\n\n      President’s schedule\n\nThe unknown man left at an unknown time before 8:38 am.\n\n      Watergate\n            -London Times story\n            -Dean\n                   -Statement concerning meetings with President\n                           -White House response\n            -Release of logs\n\f                                             -8-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                          Conversation No. 931-2 (cont’d)\n\n                      -Legal questions\n                             -Ronald L. Ziegler\n                      -Archibald Cox\n              -Cox\n                     -Possible resignation\n                     -Reason\n                     -Ervin Committee\n              -Richardson\n                     -Statement\n                             -Haig’s forthcoming call\n                     -Dean’s resignation\n                     -Dean’s files\n                     -Actions\n                            -Reasons\n\n       White House staff\n             -Laird\n                    -Announcement\n             -Peter G. Peterson\n                    -Recommendations for announcements\n                            -Build-up\n\n       Watergate\n             -Figures [on wiretaps]\n                    -[Scott]\n                    -Scott’s forthcoming statement\n                            -Request for figures\n\nThe President and Haig left at 8:38 am.","filename":["931-002.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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Give it to Lillian anyway, he'll call us on it."},{"start":80.79,"end":86.83,"text":"You've only found one so far, but they, uh..."},{"start":100.3,"end":107.14,"text":"Well, apparently they saw this picture."},{"start":107.3,"end":110.66,"text":"Yeah, I don't know who it is."},{"start":111.2,"end":115.6,"text":"Well, I don't know who it is."},{"start":115.64,"end":118.64,"text":"I don't know who it is."},{"start":118.98,"end":120.91,"text":"I don't know who it is."},{"start":120.92,"end":122.03,"text":"I don't know who it is."},{"start":127.26,"end":130.16,"text":"I had a good talk with him."},{"start":130.18,"end":131.16,"text":"I had a good talk with him."},{"start":131.22,"end":135.65,"text":"He will continue to serve in the energy and that sort of thing."},{"start":135.71,"end":140.33,"text":"You see, it's very important that we look at common ownership on this."},{"start":140.35,"end":141.64,"text":"He said, what does he say?"},{"start":141.68,"end":145.18,"text":"Basically, because we're getting later, he said he's worked intensively."},{"start":145.24,"end":145.38,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":160.15,"end":163.94,"text":"But now, with the kind of regularity that he's been doing it, I can't."},{"start":164.34,"end":168.62,"text":"You know, I've always felt lonely."},{"start":168.64,"end":170.14,"text":"I said, I'm a fan of him."},{"start":170.16,"end":179.19,"text":"In the present, I'm really, really, really anxious to do it in Fort Worth National."},{"start":179.33,"end":187.89,"text":"But without the kind of direct involvement that we have here, you know,"},{"start":196.68,"end":211.65,"text":"Also, I'm not getting involved in the pet company industry."},{"start":211.75,"end":214.83,"text":"You know what's interesting?"},{"start":215.21,"end":219.99,"text":"I will hear the news."},{"start":220.03,"end":223.47,"text":"I'm just the first page regarding it."},{"start":225.06,"end":233.02,"text":"And that's just a big play to that deep traffic accident."},{"start":233.16,"end":239.15,"text":"It's a lot of times they just exploit the American press."},{"start":239.41,"end":239.85,"text":"For what?"},{"start":240.31,"end":240.89,"text":"For work."},{"start":241.33,"end":243.87,"text":"It's just the most unfair."},{"start":244.07,"end":245.85,"text":"It's not the American press."},{"start":245.91,"end":247.37,"text":"It's the American press."},{"start":247.39,"end":250.22,"text":"It's tied in three courts."},{"start":250.24,"end":254.44,"text":"The great jury in the Senate in"},{"start":255.25,"end":257.01,"text":"My impression is very public opinion."},{"start":257.55,"end":257.65,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":257.67,"end":260.53,"text":"It's just a very strong story."},{"start":260.69,"end":262.83,"text":"Supporting friends."},{"start":262.99,"end":269.07,"text":"Oh, look, I have your mind on some things."},{"start":269.09,"end":273.01,"text":"I mean, I would try to be quite realistic."},{"start":273.54,"end":276.34,"text":"The Dean thing wasn't handled too well by our press people."},{"start":276.36,"end":279.94,"text":"I think they are being suppressed and carrying it directly."},{"start":281.26,"end":286.06,"text":"They admitted that we had met a number of times since January."},{"start":286.08,"end":297.05,"text":"The fight is, I don't know how I'm getting the truth out because I haven't been in a meeting since January."},{"start":297.07,"end":301.01,"text":"There were two mistakes made yesterday."},{"start":301.07,"end":304.23,"text":"They made a mistake on these logs."},{"start":305.33,"end":308.63,"text":"Yeah, they definitely built a little consultation."},{"start":311.26,"end":313.84,"text":"How come they didn't have a legal officer?"},{"start":313.86,"end":314.84,"text":"Well, I should have said that."},{"start":314.86,"end":317.92,"text":"I agree that it was wrong to have that way of thinking."},{"start":318.9,"end":322,"text":"Why don't we get a leadership meeting?"},{"start":322.04,"end":322.86,"text":"We've got to get that."},{"start":322.96,"end":325.04,"text":"You know we have to stand for ourselves."},{"start":325.1,"end":333.05,"text":"I still believe we should take the goddamn word game out of our press in here where we've got legal questions, where nuance is so fighting."},{"start":344.43,"end":345.96,"text":"It's not counterfeit."},{"start":346,"end":348.63,"text":"It's the kind of person that has to be addressed to it."},{"start":354.21,"end":355.77,"text":"Well, I guess we can survive this."},{"start":355.97,"end":357.19,"text":"We've got to accept the loss."},{"start":357.25,"end":358.67,"text":"We've got to accept the loss."},{"start":358.97,"end":362.21,"text":"We can't give up on that."},{"start":362.23,"end":365.85,"text":"We've got to start getting out of that."},{"start":365.89,"end":367.93,"text":"We don't want to build a competition."},{"start":383.5,"end":385.5,"text":"What the hell did Michael Richardson say?"},{"start":385.52,"end":390.81,"text":"He said it was self-serving."},{"start":390.93,"end":392.05,"text":"It was necessary."},{"start":392.35,"end":396.61,"text":"I don't know what the hell he was thinking."},{"start":396.73,"end":401.24,"text":"He said it was not a common matter."},{"start":401.26,"end":402.88,"text":"It only is."},{"start":402.9,"end":404.9,"text":"I had confidence in the president."},{"start":405.6,"end":406.44,"text":"How much is that to do?"},{"start":413.34,"end":415.86,"text":"by saying that, wouldn't it be better just to say no comment?"},{"start":415.94,"end":420.92,"text":"But he will not comment on that, especially across the figure, but that he had personal accomplishments."},{"start":421.2,"end":424.8,"text":"He couldn't take the job unless he had a job."},{"start":425.74,"end":426.48,"text":"He knows that."},{"start":426.58,"end":427.08,"text":"He knows it."},{"start":427.22,"end":428.58,"text":"He knows it deeply."},{"start":428.64,"end":430.32,"text":"He knows it."},{"start":430.56,"end":434.9,"text":"It was a council design to get him to this."},{"start":436.06,"end":436.94,"text":"So I'm waiting now."},{"start":436.96,"end":438.62,"text":"We've got to get across to the brigades."},{"start":443.78,"end":448.98,"text":"Again, I don't know why the inertia of the people all the time, but goddammit, can't you or somebody get across that?"},{"start":449,"end":452.72,"text":"This whole B-thing thing is a..."},{"start":452.74,"end":455.74,"text":"There is a piece of paper in this whole file."},{"start":455.82,"end":458.64,"text":"You've got to get across some of that thing."},{"start":458.9,"end":463.69,"text":"Why we're doing the paper thing, but you've left it at once."},{"start":466.09,"end":467.19,"text":"What do you think?"},{"start":467.29,"end":467.37,"text":"Or..."},{"start":467.39,"end":469.63,"text":"I don't think anybody else is in it."},{"start":469.67,"end":469.79,"text":"I am."},{"start":469.83,"end":470.73,"text":"Well, are the others in it?"},{"start":471.17,"end":472.27,"text":"The others are doing very well."},{"start":473.39,"end":474.47,"text":"I thought they were for a while."},{"start":474.87,"end":475.69,"text":"They were hitting layers."},{"start":475.71,"end":476.03,"text":"Still going."},{"start":476.05,"end":476.39,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":476.41,"end":478.98,"text":"I guess not so much, yeah."},{"start":481.28,"end":485.92,"text":"Peter said we're having problems with... No, I don't see anything else yet."},{"start":485.94,"end":486.1,"text":"Oh, sorry."},{"start":486.12,"end":488.02,"text":"I just couldn't care less."},{"start":488.3,"end":492.05,"text":"You know, I just... Well, I just want more."},{"start":492.07,"end":495.81,"text":"I guess he's..."},{"start":495.85,"end":498.81,"text":"He's playing a little game."},{"start":498.83,"end":500.11,"text":"You know, it's been built up to two weeks."},{"start":500.17,"end":501.51,"text":"I said, Peter, we're going to do a job."},{"start":501.54,"end":502.42,"text":"I guess he's just waiting."},{"start":502.44,"end":503.02,"text":"Well, hey, you know what?"},{"start":503.63,"end":513.29,"text":"Uh, over here when they have those tickets with these cops over here."},{"start":513.47,"end":513.91,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":514.21,"end":525.94,"text":"I mean, with, uh... 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