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Hi Rose, how are you?

Fine, thank you.

Well, I'm trying to get the car out.

Wow, you're back yesterday.

That's pretty wild yesterday.

Yeah, yeah.

I want to check on one thing that's true, which is quite important.

Do you believe we're going to look back this year?

We won't be back.

I keep checking his girl because the minute he gets back, he'll have a call.

I don't check.

I would check.

Yeah.

He is so invasive.

Probably.

Thanks.

Next week or anything.

Thanks very much.

Thank you, Senator.

I'm sorry, but I said let him off.

It's afraid to flip for John Virginia.

And when he came in to talk to me, you know, he came in to talk to me about this hole that he wants us to have for a passenger.

Yeah.

On the 7th of March, on that occasion, I thanked him for raising money.

I didn't discuss it with him.

I didn't really know that he was, but I didn't.

I'm curious about this, I didn't know about this at all.

And it's not their fault.

Which were personally proper votes, no problem at all.

If they rated something for the and the transfer of the money from here over to the committee.

That was not cool to me either, I didn't get such a life, it's so harsh.

And I just want to be damn sure that Pappas, he's the best guy that ever did this damn thing, you see.

And of course I don't want to have anything indicating that I was thanking him for raising the money for acquiring these vendors.

I think he's smart enough to know that, but you know, uh, you just never know that.

Well, I think he is too, but the minute he arrives back, it's even safe for me to talk about songs that they sang.

I'll call it.

The, uh, the point is that, uh, the column operation in the summer, that he couldn't, he couldn't, he couldn't just, you know, write it again, and he'll get the reason for it, and I was thinking he just couldn't.

And he didn't have anybody left to talk to, did he?

Why?

He didn't have anybody left to hit the conference.

But then, apparently, they got Patterson in the area.

And I say they, I mean, it's a special day.

I didn't know what the hell they were talking about.

You know, I never go behind these things.

I saw something.

But the day he came in, he said,

Good God, I ain't, I ain't heard, ever known about this kind of thing.

I'm going to bolt her right out of the locker.

It's so stupid.

It's so stupid, it's unbelievable.

But, uh, it's just one of those times.

I think I've taken the medicine a lot, but I don't know.

I can't.

I'm going to watch it with the pain, girls.

But I can't.

I can't.

Well, really, I can't.

Or two, way, way outside.

They're crazy dogs.

Creepy dogs, yeah.

We did the scheme, and then after that, then they had to see the problem.

And why is that?

The money was great.

It's not through that, but the fact that they took care of their attorney's fees and other things afterwards.

And it took a lot of the purpose of that.

Well, everybody who worked over there, even if the janitor seems to want to get on with it,

But with the money they raised, we could have run 29 of our other campaigns.

And, um, there was, there was an existence.

Do you remember how you used to talk about the dark money?

Oh, well, first of all, you don't pay people that much to work in campaigns.

They work harder if they're really driving something.

They have a canter box that they're paying.

All, everybody, well, down the line almost, is paid too much in campaigns.

Part of the campaign is feeling that you're giving, that you're, you're, you're doing something, you know.

But, that's the element behind it.

We can't do that much better.

No.

Just that, that kind of thing, though, isn't it, Rose?

The, the, the funny, nice, he's a very nice man, you know.

Yeah.

Works his tail off and everything.

He never...

He was never really great.

I, we know that.

We haven't mentioned it, too.

But he, that's not his fault, but he raised money.

They pulled him into the thing because he raised the money.

He wanted to raise the money in order to get to the red truck, but he didn't.

No, of course he did.

He's a big problem.

He's going to be banned.

He's going to be lost by about seven or eight floors.

Seven floors.

He doesn't make it for a marathon.

No, but that's

I just want to get rid of the jail.

That's what I'm concerned about with these guys.

I know.

That's what keeps you sane.

Keeps me sane, you know, because they're not bad men, right?

No.

Good God, they're not like the Teddy Kennedy elements, you know, and everything else.

And how do you sound like these guys?

It's hard.

Well, all people around me know I'm Teddy Kennedy.

Don't you worry about that.

We're good.

Oh, well, Christ.

It's insane how long he's hiding on there every week for assignments and dinners and so forth.

There are a lot of people who get really tired of her.

He thinks next week is the week to get up really last night.

But he thinks it's been the most brutal, awful treatment he's ever seen in his life.

And he's got a really young wife who really is like that.

Yeah, is that right?

Oh, yeah.

She's like that.

Yeah, he wore many frantic ties.

Well, he's alive.

You know, he's alive.

Isn't that nice?

It really is.

I'm glad he came to do it.

It was so sad looking there.

It was so lonely.

But she is.

I love you.

It's not fun.

Thanks God.

I'm glad you're here.

Well, on the past, I mean, it's just, frankly, I can't believe that the faculty that asked him whatever to say, but, you know, he's been away and may not be aware of this, and I don't know whether he's been suspended or whatnot.

That was something that for sure is the problem, I think.

It may not, because they had quite a few over there raising money.

They had the... Well, for the dependents,

Oh, I don't know.

Oh, that's what I mean.

This is what this is.

Raising money this year.

Oh, since the first day.

That's what I think it is.

Because they were picked up last year.

Yeah.

I know.

Paterson's raised money.

See, the first combat apparently raised five pieces together now.

And after that, I bet you thought Paterson was the act, you know.

Yeah, and I know you all knew of Mitchell, but I'm not hiding it from him.

He never wanted to come down here.

He wouldn't have done anything.

And I think I remember about him too, as far as this case is concerned.

He has a problem.

They are going to have a very difficult problem because of that circus in the hill.

Yeah, for Pete and Meyer and for the Vesco case.

Well, the Vesco is another one.

There's just hope.

I just hope that they can get out of that.

Oh, this circus up on the hill.

It's destroying the rights of anybody.

They've convicted all these men already.

And here's the evidence.

Losing the president.

Yeah, if we had all the evidence, we would.

But if we had only one guy who wasn't running through to the race president or president or president or president up there with some backbone, who would each time a witness finish saying, now you understand that's hearsay.

Because the great honorable public does not understand the difference between hearsay and... Well, the news, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to show you.

All right.

They play this, then.

And I think John is a lawyer and writer than that.

John also said, in one of his things, that Magruder told him that Liddy was, told him that he was going to kill him.

Well, frankly, if he'd killed him before he ever got a job over there, we'd all be finished off.

That's, I mean, but that's again hearsay.

Well, that's not a suit.

That's not a suit.

I guess they have to get everything out.

I don't understand what an attorney's doing on that.

It's the quietest person they've had on the stand yet with Liddy's secretary yesterday.

Yes, sir.

I do not remember that.

No, sir, I do not remember the contents of that memo.

Yes, sir.

No, sir.

These other bees they got, they had some jackass who was a...

Researcher.

Yes.

He just talked all along like he'd taken a pill, a talking pill.

Who did he work for?

He was McGruder's assistant, and that was McGruder's, that was McGruder's team, I guess it was his.

It wasn't the act, none of it.

It ain't about campaigning.

That's the big thing.

It's about just taking the kids.

The thing is, the bringer of the rose would have checked those stalls.

I couldn't.

It was too late then.

Huh?

What do you mean?

He was supposed to put on a ball and have a nap.

I know, but Mr. Ritter had controlled that committee before.

Mr. Ritter had been there.

He'd been there, you know, a year and a half or more.

He was so facile that he could, he was a troller.

He was a troller.

I guess what happened is that he convinced McGregor.

McGregor said, oh, well, it's nobody else involved.

Right.

And he, before he ever came back here, he was involved in that crooked business of some called Med Company.

It was crooked stuff out there.

He was a slippery little guy.

And he had, I'm sure he looked like a little boy, he took a little while.

I'll call and get the call on dispatch.

I'll call and get the March call for you.

I'm sure they said maybe you're in that group.

I'm trying to think of a way to tell his dimensions.

Gee, everybody reads everything.

Yeah.

I'm afraid he doesn't.

That's right.

Okay, there's a leaf.

All right.

Door open.

Well, you understand, he is, though he's been in and out of here so much, they're really... Oh, there's no problem for me to see him.

I saw him on March 7th.

Yeah, but my plan is that I've got to see him.

I can fly him to New York with me.

There's no problem for that matter, but I just need to get him back here, and he may well be avoiding coming back.

Per se, he just had this new...

He may be in an internet government deal right now.

Maybe that's it.

If it is, I hope the crisis stays over there.

I don't want to get him involved in this thing.

See, he may stay over there.

Everything's gone for him.

You realize the brother that ran the company died during this time.

In the period that he was raising money, that he spent almost the last year and a half of the campaign.

I mean, the first raising money for the campaign, maybe later the other one.

He worked night and day over there.

That's all I wanted to tell you.

That's all that needs to be told.

So I told you at the end of the day that when you came in, it was a brief call about the handicapping of the Ambassadors.

And the President thanked you for all of this, for his work.

All the work he's done for you?

That's right.

And did you discuss Watergate with him?

No.

He made a commissary about it.

But if he would come back, for example, and say something like this, the president thanked him for raising money for John Mitchell to pay off the defendants.

It's that sort of thing.

Thank him and Mitchell.

That would be very damaging to me.

We need to fight back.

We're running out of time.

I'll take them as soon as you get them, Anthony.

Keep me posted.

Before they get down.

Anthony, we're all friends.

I forgot I did anything.

You ought to have asked, but I... No.

No.

What are you going to do with this girl?

Are you going to take her away?

I'm going to stand her down.

She's there to cry.

When he's coming.

Yeah.

You just want to see him in person, right?

If he could give you some time.

Yeah.

She won't come.

She may think I'm in it.

She won't come down here and file anything.

See, if I take it personal.

She won't.

There's no problem.

But it may be that he's got the word.

He just may be having a little bit of a doubt.

It's nice.

It's nice because you see his company's over there.

As I say, his wife died, his brother died, his two brothers died in the past year.

Poor guy.

He's a very healthy man.

And a very good man.

Oh, probably a member of the 60s.

The pride of Austin.

He always wants to help me just once.

Did you see the Santa?

Did he take over?

Oh, I looked at it yesterday.

I thought he would take over.

You think so?

Yeah, for everything that's done.

Not just the newspaper, but for Mr. Schroeder and others.

K.O.

and stuff.

Not K.O.

and stuff, but everybody around him had gotten into it.

Well, I guess you can say the same about me, can't you?

That's the problem.

Good.

You know, there's always a possibility

See, this thing is so different.

There's joggers on finger and tail.

No information.

I never, when I was in Florida, I'll never forget when I read about this.

I was so shocked.

I was like, thank God.

I thought it was a joke.

I just can't stop doing that.

Because I am convinced that McCord worked for Jack Anderson.

And he's getting a book out now, and if you, you haven't watched David Herring, I watched that guy, I don't know.

My brother called me too.

And then that Alps, the first lawyer there, who came down and testified, and then Alps went to, not anyone he knew, but to a

Good firm, a reputable firm.

He took advice from himself.

But not McCord?

McCord wouldn't take, but neither would that awful Fensterwald.

No.

Well, Fensterwald, look at that there.

He was, oh, he was Henning's A.A. And the days of Henning's used to be such a drunken name.

Call him out as a capital member, not as a fat man or something like that.

I think it's really the good guys.

He's also out for all the good causes, but it could be caused.

Yeah, yeah.

Whether I'm president or not, they're not going to succeed.

And look, this all, never seen you, never met you, doesn't know anyone in the White House.

He was tough as man.

I liked him.

They tried to say, oh, well, you're just saying that anyway.

I went to the convention hall to say to him, we are after the president of the United States.

And he repeated it.

And all she was saying...

anything but unbelievable on his band.

I tell you, I've heard more people say if they ever got in a jam, that's the lawyer they'd want.

He was tough, he was polite, he was smart.

Some of those guys tried so hard to mix him up, but all they got was to be fun.

The drum committee, for the most part.

A couple of brands.

You know, the bigger problem for a school worker

Well, I think Baker's problem, frankly, is that Baker looked great on television.

And I think that Baker, and I'm just guessing, I think I know him well enough.

Baker looked more handsome on television than he is because of his size.

He looks big sitting there, you know, tall.

And he is apparently the idol of the soap opera people who watch.

And I think he has gained a friend because I spoke to him on this thing.

Because I talked to our friend who also would have liked to have said hello.

Well, he isn't doing that, I guess.

He isn't running.

But I keep saying that to our friend because we did a text talk.

Well, I keep repeating that this is hearsay.

He does it occasionally, but not often at all.

Our friend wanted to come in and see you.

I told him the other day it was too, it was too apparent.

Oh, he wants to come see me.

He just wants to say hello, say hello.

Oh, she's a grand delight.

I've told you that for months.

I know, I know.

Tell him I'm all right, though.

Listen, let me tell you, I'm, I'm just, uh,

We've just, we've got a lot of work to do and we're going to do what it rubs.

Don't let anything get in our way.

What's this?

Yeah, this is the rub.

It's been a terribly difficult time for me doing all these things.

I know that.

Sorry.

I need to have, you know, this whole thing started.

It's kind of, that was not from Dean's interest.

You know, we find it from his lawyers.

Lawyers are left-wing also.

But it indicated that he started to meet me and I never saw him again.

i didn't see the 27th of february but uh we were sitting here he'd come in after not telling me a darn thing for 10 months on march 21st and he said

I said, what do you mean?

What's been happening here?

He said, how much have you been paying for that?

I said, we've been paying for it for many, many years.

He said, well, I've worked on it.

Well, I said, if you pay this, how much would it cost to do this if you had to do it for four years?

He said, about a million dollars.

I said, well, we can get a million dollars.

I said, damn, I don't know.

And then I, fortunately, got home at 10 o'clock.

So we got to 10 o'clock.

And I said, John, how would you get into it?

And then he said, well, you'd wash the money.

He said, that's the problem.

You'd wash the money.

It's over and gone.

And then the standard story unfolded to me that he'd been doing basically the bad thing.

And now he looks like this.

If this is how you can't stop them, it's going to be nice looking.

And if you solve any of the questions, we've got an answer right away.

Believe me.

And believe me, everyone who asks how you are, I'm just fine and great.

Absolutely.

But he said, no, that's good.

Yeah, well, he, she knows.

The minute he lands, or even strikes back, I don't want to know, but I'll remind her again.

All right, thank you for your support.

Okay.

But tell everybody to keep their chin up, girls.

Oh, they have to.

Don't let everybody get down to the mouth.

I know, everybody does.

No, not now, you've been in there.