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Now the fire can't get them in.

We're still ready to take the first move.

Our game will relax for a while, even on extended unless the fire is about to get a little bit very complicated with some of you, but we'll let it mend it.

Thank you.

And I thought instead of coming back here and David, that I would go to Florida and eat this game and spend a couple of days there.

studying materials and so forth, and then come up Sunday night to be ready for a hearing.

And I thought it would be good if you could arrange your schedule to come down there, except for the fact that you, not to the sanction law, you feel you should go up to Camp David for a little .

I think that's very useful, too.

And I think what I could do, Mr. President, if you approve, is to go to Keepers Gang with you on Friday, right?

and then I'll go out and write instructions from you to the Greek president on Sunday afternoon.

Right.

Well, with regard to Paris's stance, as you told me in the phone this morning, but the way it essentially stands, exactly as you say, as we discussed, what we have done in the meantime, we've exchanged the human messages.

We have said it's no longer possible to make any changes.

It is possible that we will make a unilateral declaration explaining that we interpret the communique in the same way that the treaty ends us.

And that we will make three declarations that you recognize, you repeat, I mean, on your behalf, when I breathe.

I repeat that you recognize that GBN is the sole government of South Vietnam, that we do not recognize any territory as permanently occupied by Turkey, but only because there are troops there, but not any recognitions.

And the third point that we believe that the provisions of Chapter 4, which are the political provisions, should be maintained.

This was the area of discussion

without asking what do we plan to sign it.

I mean, the document is ambiguous on that point.

I called White House, and White House has already taken it up with the Foreign Minister.

The Foreign Minister has talked with you, and he thinks it will go.

But he won't know until I'm actually there.

So we're really playing a game of chicken.

I'm getting on the plane, not knowing whether the GVN agrees.

And there is a chance that I may be sitting in the back on my face tomorrow.

Well, with the GVN having revealed the interaction and what you say, what they're not saying, then I'll have to give a press conference explaining why it's there.

I don't think it will go to that point.

My fear was that if I...

First of all, that if we ask for a 24-hour delay, Hanoi might break it off.

Because they told us this before anything else.

Second, I feel that if I get a 24-hour delay in Saga, we'll have to run us a trap against it tomorrow.

I think the chapters are tender ones, though.

Well, I'll tell you, I put the economic email to Winston.

Oh, so you're in touch.

I think that's really nice.

Then we have to meet with the leaders tomorrow morning and tell them about this darn thing Jesus could have done.

Yes, you cannot.

Because of the ticklish nature, let me do something for you.

You can tell them there's an agreement.

You can't tell them too much of what's in it, because when you meet, they won't have signed it yet.

Oh, really?

And given the- Why don't you meet with them later then?

When will you sign it then?

I'll sign it at 11.

11 o'clock o'clock?

Your time.

11 o'clock o'clock.

I can meet with the leaders in the afternoon.

But if you could meet with the leaders in the afternoon,

I can meet at 11 o'clock.

It will be signed then.

Be signed then?

Yeah, I guess.

I'd try to make it absolutely sure we would meet at 11.30.

11.30, yeah.

And then I can leave for you a pretty good summary.

Which I'd like to give to them.

If not, I might push it off until 2 o'clock in the afternoon.

By 2 o'clock, it would be absolutely safe.

I had a dinner last night at Joe Alstom's house.

It was a good, totally outraged.

British television producer there, Margaret Jaye, who's really left-wing Labour movement, and she is beside herself with the American press and how they treat you and how they treat their government.

They are absolutely outraged.

I think that you can reach for that editorial a lot of times at some effect here.

Shut up.

No, he called me about nothing.

So I took, he called me about, just to inform me that he was going to see the Chinese ambassador about taking the trip to Israel.

And I took the occasion to say that I wanted him to know, on your behalf, that nothing was being done at the summit that hadn't been planned.

We've got six agreements and possibly seven of them, you know, we've got to communicate them for one sentence, which I've finished as we've done.

It's really nothing to do with our mission.

It's every dream of this job.

I mean, the rock, they don't come.

They don't come.

I wouldn't do it.

I wouldn't get that.

Oh, I guess.

But I was thinking of it.

It may happen.

Well, that's not great.

We do it right at the beginning.

We do it, we keep it open.

We wouldn't announce at the beginning that it's canceled or something.

They say that we got so tied up we're going to Camp David again to work because we've got so much work to do.

But I can go up there and spend the time there rather than going to San Quentin each Saturday.

I don't think, and the more I thought about it, Mr. President, I think Watergate is the smallest factor, the big factor there is.

uh... uh... uh... uh...

the White House, and they are my gosh.

So basically that is, but I think the same for many things.

We don't, we don't, something white out that we're just, when you're talking to Green, it turns out that they don't want to go, tell them not to announce anything regarding that at this point.

Or even push it.

Maybe we can't hold it.

Let me check.

I just don't know.

My feeling is it would be best not to.

The trouble is we'd have to make preparations as if we were going.

Like inviting people and so forth.

And then if we... Where's that one?

I think we're just having a private dinner.

But weren't you planning a reception this morning?

Well, let me see first what his accent is going to be, which may be fine.

We can wheel it either way.

We can wheel it, you know what I mean?

We can simply say that because of the number of items that we have to discuss, he would prefer to meet a candidate rather than San Clemente than Davis.

When you meet with the congressional leaders,

You have to stay away from Laos and Cambodia.

You should just say that there was some discussion.

No, I think you shouldn't.

Why shouldn't you give them good news?

And just saying that Cambodia is a very complex diplomacy still going on, involving both the Chinese and the Russians, and the North Vietnamese, and we've had extensive talks with the North Vietnamese in Paris, but you cannot go into it through it.

It allows you to be hopeful that now there'll be some movement without specifying what it is.

And on Vietnam, they'll give you a summary of what it is.

I think if you measure it at 11.30, it would seem as difficult as on a 30-minute house in Santa Barbara at 12.00.

Well, they can come down for two.

If they can come for two, that would be idealized for my foundation.

That's another reason.

You were thinking of 11.

Well, we can think of 11 and I can keep him there.

I don't think he's got a break out there.

At 11, they're going to go to the side.

That should be a nice thing.

That's the reason he needs to be in the room.

At 11.

And you won't make it a very long meeting.

No, I can say this is a very brief meeting.

I know you've all got to get back.

And I can turn it to 11.30 and get him out of there.

That's right.

Then I will do it.

Eddie, that's it.

We released the text at about that time.

We released the text at 11-3rd, but the signing will be all done by 11-3rd.

I think that would be best.

Oh, good.

And then we'd have two books.

Well, we have to write a lot of things, haven't we, Henry?

Well, Mr. President.

No, President.

Well, you know, when what happened to us is the things.

Well, and also what is it really?

I mean, these guys did things that should not have been done.

But most of it was minor league.

Minor league stuff.

Colton has been going S.

He's saying that I've run the plumbers, which really he shouldn't say, because I didn't know a damn thing about the plumbers.

And it doesn't do any good to get me inside.

I really don't know.

They don't pay much attention to Colson, do they?

Let's not believe.

I mean, they will believe, I'll be darned.

Don't you, we have a hand in the top.

We survived, but we have been through a very difficult situation.

I remember it was perhaps about April 1st, and you told me that you didn't know much about this.

It was my body, and I mean, you said that it would be all safe, and we should, because it was so important.

That's what I'm hearing more of.

It was terrible for me on April 30th.

It's not for them and terrible for you.

And then, April 30th, until now, there's the continued bombardment and harassment and leaks and source stories.

It's almost unbelievable.

But it's the most unbelievable character assassination.

Any son of a bitch can say anything.

Get the front page of the coast and one of the tides, one of the networks, one of the networks.

But we mustn't be down and out about it because basically, you know, we've got to remember we've done some great things and we were reelected to continue to do great things.

And therefore, we've got to toughness and true, persevere, continue to take the slide.

And in the end, if we survive, if we well and boldly survive, as we survive, we'll do some other great things.

I'm never going to do it, but then we will look back on this and say, well, it was tough, but I wouldn't have missed it.

Well, with all this, with all the dirt that they're throwing now, we're going to have a good one.

It is this year that we have this report.

We will have a successful summit.

You may well have a Chinese return visit.

And you will certainly have a successful European trip.

All those things will be done.

They're not betting on what we're planning to do in Europe.

They're betting just on everything that we do.

And it's going to work, I guess, all the time.

When had we ever done anything that they didn't announce ahead of time?

It was a phase.

Incidentally, there's a very interesting book out by a fellow whom we helped none of you know, John Luther Soule.

And he, and when Nicholas von Hartmann read it, who, as you know, killed us, he wrote an article saying, after all, Kissinger and, I mean, the president and,

It's cool.

At least they were trusting us.

That's my impression too.

I'm talking about a break with the Vietnam negotiations and talking about Watergate.

I'm talking about the economy and about Watergate.

So I have arguments.

It's all right.

Everything must go smoothly.

It's not news.

It's a whole discussion.

And that is a good

Otherwise, would it fit, would it fit?

Yes, you just boxed and put it in the most, as gently as you can, but just like you want.

We went right down to the wire last time, Mr. Mitch, and this son of a bitch is, is just, uh, I mean, he is bad news.

He's Vietnamese and a maniac.

Both sides.

He might be.

I don't know whether I told you about these negotiations with the lieutenants that are out there.

Yeah.

But these sessions are like with these guys.

Unbelievable.

Okay, come on.

Listen, I'll, I'll tell you as soon as I know when you're going to call the meeting in the morning.

We will know in a way long, sure, but then you'll say it.

Because we will know by age and what.

And each time, no matter where it is, it will work.

It will work.

Just saying that Cambodia is a very complex country.

It's really nothing to do with our religion.

Well, that's number eight.

You can be hopeful that now there will be some movement without specifying what it is.

We do it right at the beginning.

We keep it open.

We wouldn't announce it at the beginning.

Let's see, I guess it's only 11.30.

We'll simply say that we got so tied up we're going to Camp David again to work.

The House and Senate will open at 12, and that's when the leaders and so-and-so have so much work to do.

When I go up there and spend about a dollar and a half to leave, well, they come down to two.

So I've been there.

If they come down to two, that's 10.20 each Saturday.

I don't think.

You were thinking of.

Then I will do it.

Well, I... Basically, we met at the crime scene.

I think that would be nice.

Tom Manning was in the Kremlin with the dachshunds.

Oh, good.

And later it was Louie and him.

And the defendants have two good stories.

Well, you know, there's the White House and quite a lot of things.

I mean, they are my dachshunds.

So, Emily Henry.

Well, Mr. President, no president.

Well, you know, my father had a dachshund.

He's just a dachshund.

But most of it was

The trouble is we have to make preparations as if we were going to.

Then if we .

Well, let me see .

which may be fine, but we can wheel it either way.

We can wheel it, you know what I mean?

We can simply say that we finally, because of the number of items that we have to discuss, we would prefer to meet at Camp David rather than San Clemente or San Diego.

How about you meet with the congressional leadership?

You have to stay away from Mars.

You can't talk to him.

You should just stay.

Really, you shouldn't stay because I don't know a damn thing about it.

It doesn't do any good for the sun.

No, I didn't mean that.

No, I think you shouldn't be.

You're sorry.

She doesn't know.

They ought to give him good news.

I think the best course will demonstrate the Chinese and then have the Russians and the North East and the East.

We've had extensive talks with the

don't you go into it with lousy... We've got our hand on top.

We've been through very difficult situations.

There may be some movement without specifying what it is.

Perhaps, and I'll leave it up to you, this is probably the first that you told me that you didn't know the sum of the information that you had.

I don't know.

It's not for them and terrible for you.

Well, they can come down to earth, too.

If they can come down to earth, that would make a period.

Until now, just to continue bombardment and harassment would be the ideal time to bombard them.

No leaks.

It's not a story.

It's almost unbelievable.

Eleven is another piece of money.

You were thinking of 11th?

Of its the most unbelievable character assassination.

Any George, any 11th, I can keep him there.

I don't think any son of a bitch can say anything.

He's not great out there.

I did think.

He doesn't make the front page of the code, or of the Times, or of the Network.

He'll sign.

That should be a nice issue.

That means he needs to report it.

He needs to do that.

But we must be now involved about it, because basically, you know, we got to go make it a very long meeting.

And all I can say is remember, it was a very great meeting.

I know you've all done great things, and we were reelected to continue to do great things.

And therefore, we got to 1130 and get them out of that tough one.

That's right.

Then I would do it, listen through, persevere, continue to take the shot.

And in the end, if we survive, which we will always, because we'll release the text at about that time, as we survive, we'll do some migrating.

We'll release the text at 11.30, but the signing will be all done by 11.30.

I think that would be nice.

But with all this, with all the dirt that's growing now, we're going to have a good quality policy.

It is still here that we have it.

You may well have a China.

And then we'll have two goods.

They're now pissing on what we're trying to do in Europe.

Well, you know, when one anodizes the things...

They pissed on everything that we did.

And it's going to work, I guess.

And also, what is it really?

I mean, these guys did things that should not have been done.

When have we ever done anything that they didn't announce ahead of time?

It was a failure.

But most of it was minorly... Minorly...

So, and he, Colton has been going, has been saying, and when Nicholas O'Hartman read it, who died from the plumbers, which really he shouldn't say because I didn't know a damn thing about the plumbers, who, as you know, killed us.

He wrote an article saying, after all,

And it doesn't do any good to get me inside.

They don't pay much attention to culture, no.

That's not what they do.

I mean, they will believe Bob, you know, I cannot say that.

I think what I'm going to do is, in that focus,

I think the best course will be Mr. Hancock.

Congress.

It's cool.

Well, at least they were trusting us.

That's my impression, too.

Don't you...

but we have been through very difficult situations

Discussion.

But, in any event, in these weeks, I'm going to see some of the other names in both sides of the page.

Both sides, people, characters, assassinations, any codes that I'm going to use, any son of a bitch can say anything.

Well, get on a wider front page of the code to see all of the times, all of the networks, all of the networks.

But we mustn't be down and out about it, because basically, you know, we've got to remember we've done some great things, and we were reelected to continue to do great things.

And therefore, we've got to tough this one through, persevere, continue to take the slide, and in the end, if we survive, which we will always do, as we survive, we'll do some other great things.

We're going to do it, and we will look back on this and say, well, it was tough, but I wouldn't have missed

Well, with all this, with all the dirt that they're throwing now, we're going to have a good one.

It is this year that we have this report.

You may well have a Chinese return visit.

All those things will be done.

They're not hitting on what we're planning to do in Europe the way they pissed on us the day that we did.

And it's going to work, I guess.

was a failure.

Incidentally, there's a very interesting book out by a fellow whom we helped none of you know, John Newton, Saul.

And he, and when Nicholas O'Hartman read it, who, as you know, shows us, he wrote an article saying, after all, Kittinger and, I mean, the president, and with the help of Kittinger did this,

That's my impression, too.

But it isn't.

Actually, this .

Actually, this is not good enough.

The Congress isn't talking about it.

Right.

I've been talking about a break with the Vietnam negotiations and talking about Watergate.

That's right.

I've been talking about the economy and about Watergate.

So I have arguments.

It's all right.

Everything must go smoothly.

It's not news.

We have a little discussion.

Excuse me.

Otherwise, they would have...

Yes, Q just boxed and put it in the most, as gently as he can, but he won't put it in.

We went right down to the wire last time and mentioned this son of a bitch.

It's just, uh, maybe it's bad news.

He's a mania.

Both sides.

Well, while you're...

I don't know whether I told you about these negotiations.

uh... uh...

Whatever it is.