Conversation 937-005

TapeTape 937StartTuesday, June 12, 1973 at 9:19 AMEndTuesday, June 12, 1973 at 10:00 AMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Harlow, Bryce N.;  Haig, Alexander M., Jr.Recording deviceOval Office

On June 12, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Bryce N. Harlow, and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:19 am and 10:00 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 937-005 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 937-5

Date: June 12, 1973
Time: Unknown between 9:19 am and 10:00 am
Location: Oval Office

The President talked with Bryce N. Harlow.

[Conversation No. 937-5A]

[Begin telephone conversation]

[See Conversation No. 40-24]

[End telephone conversation]

Alexander M. Haig, Jr. entered at 9:25 am.

     Watergate
          -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson’s statement concerning forthcoming Leonid I.
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      Brezhnev visit
          -Response
                 -Barry M. Goldwater, Hugh Scott, J. William Fulbright, Edward W.
                  Brooke, Mark O. Hatfield, Robert J. Dole
                 -Fulbright
                 -Press coverage
     -Charles H. Percy
          -Resolution concerning special prosecutor
          -Conversation with Haig, June 12, 1973
                 -Support for President
          -President’s trip to Pekin, Illinois

White House staffing
     -Roles of Harlow, Melvin R. Laird, and Haig
     -President’s relationships with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman
           -Ronald L. Ziegler
                 -Sequoia cruise

Vietnam negotiations
     -Henry A. Kissinger
           -Nguyen Van Thieu’s statements
                  -Compared to December 1972
     -Points of separation
     -Congressional briefing

National economy
     -President’s schedule
           -Congressional leaders
                 -Publicity
                       -Financiers
                 -Timing
                       -William E. Timmons
                             -Consultations
                       -William E. Simon’s viewpoint
                             -Cabinet
                             -Market response
                 -Cabinet
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           -George P. Shultz and Herbert Stein
                 -Press briefing
           -Timing
           -Preparation
                 -Haig’s conversation with Stein, June 13, 1973
     -Possible freeze
           -Possible Congressional action
                 -Timmons
                 -George Meany
                 -Stein
                 -Vote

Vietnam negotiations
     -Thieu
     -Kissinger
     -Thieu
           -Possible US Policy
                 -Possible aid

Watergate
     -Speech
     -Archibald Cox
     -Ervin Committee
           -Howard H. Baker and Samuel J. Ervin, Jr.
           -Daniel K. Inouye’s conversation with Peter M. Flanigan, June 12, 1973
                 -Forthcoming Brezhnev visit
                       -Cessation of hearings
                       -President’s response
                       -John W. Dean, III
     -Popular reaction
     -Wiretaps
           -Joseph W. Alsop’s forthcoming column
           -Joseph C. Kraft’s column
                 -John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson
           -Kennedy, Johnson

National economy
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        -Views of Stein and Shultz
              -Opposition to President’s decisions
        -Paul Hall’s views
        -Meany’s views
        -Possible freeze
              -Duration
        -Need for action
              -Compared to waiting for statistics
        -Possible Congressional action
              -President’s response
                    -Veto
                    -Override
              -Labor leaders
                    -Meany
                    -Democrats

Laird
        -Schedule

Energy
     -Preparation of plan
           -Flanigan, Simon
           -Charles J. DiBona
                 -Staffs of Roy L. Ash and Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.
                       -Meeting invitations and attendance

National economy
     -Meeting, June 11, 1973
           -Ash
           -Seeking views compared to decision making
           -Arthur E. Burns
     -President’s economic package
           -Shultz
           -Questions
     -Food
           -Kissinger’s view
                 -Foreign policy objectives
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                          -India - Pakistan
                          -Southeast Asia
                          -Compared to domestic policy
        -Ash
               -Absence from meeting
               -Conversation with Haig

White House staffing
     -Harlow
           -Haig’s conversation with Anne L. Armstrong
                 -Memorandums

National economy
     -Need for action
     -Possible freeze
           -Congress
           -Phase III
           -Follow up

Haig
        -Roles with National Security Council [NSC] and White House staff
        -Productivity

Watergate
     -New York Times and Washington Post
     -Ervin Committee hearings
           -Jeb Stuart Magruder, Dean, Haldeman, Ehrlichman
           -Dean
     -Dean
           -Alsop

Alsop
        -Conversation with Haig, June 12, 1973
             -Forthcoming Soviet summit
             -Wiretaps
                   -Harry S. Truman
                         -Stewart and Alsop
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                             -Alsop
            -Wiretaps
                 -Justice Department records

                 -William C. Sullivan
                       -Possible testimony
                             -Dean, William E. Timmons
            -Plumbers
                 -Kraft
                       -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]

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[National security]
[Duration: 9 s ]

    FBI

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    Alsop
            -Kraft’s house
            -Brookings Institution
                  -Ehrlichman’s conversation with President
                        -Haldeman
            -Plumbers
            -John F. Kennedy or Robert F. (“Bobby”) Kennedy
            -Sullivan
                  -Possible testimony
                  -Possible conversation with Joe Alsop
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President’s schedule
      -Vietnam negotiations
            -Kissinger
            -Cancellation of meeting
      -New meeting
            -Economy, Kissinger
            -US-Soviet Summit briefing
                  -Trip to Illinois
      -Kissinger’s possible briefings of Congressional leaders
            -Soviet Summit
            -Vietnam negotiations
            -Year of Europe
            -Republicans, Democrats
            -Timmons
      -Forthcoming Brezhnev visit
            -Briefing books
                  -Kissinger
                  -Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft
                  -Timing of arrival and reading
                  -Quality
                        -Compared to one day of discussion with Kissinger in Key
                         Biscayne

Forthcoming Brezhnev State visit
      -Security
           -Watergate
           -Kissinger’s conversation with Anatoly F. Dobrynin
                 -Alexei Kosygin
                 -Possible Jews, John Birch Society demonstration in Orange County,
                  California
                       -Houston
      -San Clemente
           -Reasons
                 -Work
                 -Avoidance of security incident
      -Washington
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            -Camp David
            -Agreements
                 -Kissinger’s preparation vs. State Department’s

      National economy
           -Stein, Shultz
           -President’s meeting with Labor-Management Committee
                 -Shultz
           -President’s goals
           -Food prices
           -Possible freeze
                 -Wages
                       -Labor, business responses
                 -Stock market response
                       -Psychology
                 -Hobart Rowen’s and economists’ possible response

      Vietnam negotiations
           -Forthcoming telephone call to Scowcroft
           -Possible statements in Paris
                 -Agreement
                 -Saigon
                 -Kissinger
                       -Draft
           -Popular opinion
           -South Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos
                 -Setbacks
                 -People’s Republic of China [PRC]

Haig left at 10:00 am.
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There's no way, there's no way that what we do could sound like anything.
Sound like nothing, without anything.
Isn't that what we're talking about right now?
That's what we're talking about.
I'm just saying, however, there is no way, no way that this thing cannot be done.
Tim said, you could, they could vote today, the 98th, across the board on the Senate side, or tomorrow.
I told him, without showing our hand, it would be well to do what we can to prevent that vote.
Because he's confident that the President would be
It would pass.
And I think it's better to have you out in front of that rather than reacting to it.
Well, there you are.
I'm 17, so maybe he says something, sir.
Right.
That's what Scott said this morning, and Bill Evans said that's the only thing he should do.
We just about won that vote with a lot of absentees that favored us.
Two months ago, they said we needed a chance at a vaccine.
Well, the House would be
I can't just believe my shoe is going to a poor old man right over there, wrestling around.
I don't see a poor old man here.
It's his job.
He's going to come back and go into the last shoe.
We don't see him.
He really has no alternative.
He knows what he's up against.
I'm afraid he has no alternative because I know he's the conclusion and he doesn't go along on this.
And the time has come to let it fall.
I really, uh, without, I mean, I mean, go through the logins, trying to get the eighth one.
But, Al, we're not going to break our backs.
We're just going to have to draw a line someplace else.
You know what I'm saying?
We're going to have to do it.
We can't, we can't.
We can't.
Just look at it.
That was a hell of a speech, it was, well, we got it done, and didn't ask the Senate to knock off, but said, well, if there are reasons for any questions, well, the greatest question is no archie conscious mind to, you know, as the first operative in that committee, and it is the last.
We may be going to talk to the committee before this is over, later, and we're just going to, as you would expect,
And, uh, if we get the dog right, then maybe we will end the process here.
There was a new way to get in contact with Pete Flynn, who's most advanced, and they would be willing to, uh, support the White House if we were to make a pitch to close off the hearings during the period, the origin of this hearing.
Mm-hmm.
The one I was gonna ask was, you know, sir,
They should do whatever they think is right.
That's what I think my image is.
I appreciate that, Senator.
But the committee now is that we will not interfere with the committee.
It's always been our proposition.
They make up their own minds.
But let me tell you, they may catch a little help right in here.
What do you think?
It's excellent.
It doesn't go anywhere.
Heck, it doesn't have to be nothing.
I haven't seen a ring around here in two years.
I hope so.
Oh, I think so.
I think they are.
There's one.
Al South is going to do a strong piece on wiretapping.
We're going to get some statistics from the reader, because Kraft came out today and said that Kennedy's and Johnson's never wiretapped anybody.
So he's laid it out and asking for it.
Did they do it?
She's denying it.
So Joe will take down the run and then we'll be talking about a little discredit and so on and so forth.
Well, we didn't tell them to take the figures, did we?
They're giving us what they promised, didn't they?
I've been over the names.
I've been over the names, and these haven't completed.
We're bugging them to get through, except they're bugging us all the same.
Mm-hmm.
That's a good exercise, huh?
I like that.
Is this one important?
Yeah, those are all, uh,
They're all just terribly against what we're doing.
And they aren't trying to curse or get any, knock me out of anything, but I just simply play the political one, those two leaders in there.
They're all against it, except for, basically, this was for doing something for you to go to that group.
Actually, Paul Hall was doing something, you know, he didn't know why.
You can't just go ahead with the state's quote, and all the businessmen went ahead
The meaning, the meaning is playing a double game.
He says after the practice games to knock our brains off the public with.
And by golly, this isn't the way it's going to be played anymore.
We've got to move on this darn thing before we get knocked out of the box.
And it's 16 to 80 degrees.
And though without hurting us, it'll raise restrictions at the end of it and so forth.
But they just got a right in terms of slipping into the other, the second phase anymore.
Chapel Way.
That's right.
And I, uh...
They just have to make up their mind if you want to manage this room.
We're the kind of care and sensitivity that we need.
How about moving the section to the third floor?
I think it should be sixth.
Don't you?
I think the sixth is the only thing that's different.
If there are reasons along the way that it becomes shorter, we have that option.
These kind of parts are shorter.
Right.
But to announce that you're doing it, I don't think it's going to happen.
I don't agree.
I'll tell you, there's no way these men can just sit and wait for statistics.
Uh, they sit back and wait for statistics.
Uh, eventually they will.
We've got to imagine now, we were going to reinvigorate them even though they're option one.
I can't see that this step is that fundamental as a departure from option one.
Marking it back again is going to be very tough.
But there again, we've got to make the decision on a critical basis.
If you try to write it down, you've got another month or two months of bad statistics, which you're going to get.
And the Congress then votes that they overpopulate Iowa, make it look like they overrated, and then every time there's some horrible thing, they grab it.
That's what we are.
He says he's unspecified.
He's not interested.
I don't know.
He's lazy.
He's one of those people.
He's not that part of the Democrats.
They want to embarrass us.
They'd like to have the president embarrass us.
I think that's the case.
Well, I'm sorry.
There's...
There's...
You know, I think I've got the energy package on.
I appreciate the hard work that these guys have done.
But that will be ready for Thursday morning.
Who was Simon's working plan?
No.
No, I gave it to Simon.
I'm working with the Ashes people and Ken Cole's people.
But a couple of people are professionals.
They'll keep it.
Cole's people do the best job.
When I asked you if you had a watch, you said he was the only kind of gentleman, because he wasn't in the league.
Having been the one that I bet he should be.
Yeah.
I just wanted to get the views from you.
I said the president knew your view, and it was close to his, so he wanted to work with people.
Right.
And you said that I couldn't be.
I didn't want to argue there.
Did you point that out?
and I wanted to get him sent off, but he is used so clear, and frankly, you can say, Roy, the President's coming down on your side, and you don't mess with him.
How do you want me to deal with him?
I feel like he's close to you.
Have him in there today.
God, I don't know.
I just don't have arm to be injured.
You have arm to be injured.
God, you'll miss me on it.
I'm not going to tell them what I'm going to do today anyway.
I don't know.
Mark said we're just going to... Just spend a lot of time.
It should be an in-house thing.
And then you've got to have a chargeable salary going on.
I don't know if you'd like to see it.
Yeah, I'm sure there'll be three or four more questions when we start releasing it then.
Well, why else would I do it?
But I think they finally have the material for exactly what he wanted, whether that food stuff or anything else is important.
Zero in on that now.
I had this goosey back then when I told you about it.
He's not told me to make a consultation schedule so that we can immediately move him.
Of course, Henry's a goosey on that.
Everybody in his own shop says do everything for me, Mike.
at the present time, whatever our foreign policy objectives are, for India, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia, et cetera, they are indefinite compared to our domestic policy, et cetera.
And we are going to have a foreign policy on the border, et cetera.
We can do this.
That's right.
It's a consultation.
We can just do it.
And that's the best way we can get that worked out.
We're talking points and how we do it.
And it isn't something that these people want to work out.
Let's move on that.
We would.
I'm confident we can handle that.
Sorry I thought that way, but we should have told him before the meeting.
See, I talked to him yesterday, but he's still a little...
There's no question about keeping him out because there's nothing to talk to him about because of Hillary.
And excuse me.
No, I'm sorry.
He's very much a big kid.
He's all right.
I don't know how many, but he's good.
She's got good teeth.
Yeah.
They all run a potty job.
I've talked to Ann Armstrong.
She's had this big, I don't know if it's funny, but it's horrible.
So she's a big friction there.
Oh, she's done really good in her life.
She loves to have a political person position.
And she's really enthusiastic about it.
She's a great person.
Great intelligence.
I can't remember.
I think she's very good at this.
This is Department 17.
hanging in there.
We are, in fact, hanging in there philosophically.
We're just saying we've got to have a 68 freeze.
You know that old story about hitting the jackass over the head to get his attention.
You know?
It's really what it is.
We've got to get attention focused on what we want the Congress to do and what we are doing in phase three.
And it's darn tough.
I know they'll say we can't move in the freeze.
Basically phase three.
And my answer is why not?
Why not?
What do you think?
Yeah, that's, that's... You know, the thing is, I'm a lot stronger now.
We were in the strength of the summit.
We were trying to get a big move from 60 days to day two.
That's what they put up.
Wait, it's around here, huh?
Yes, sir.
You thought everything was in that stuff over at Henry's shop?
Or you had a personal idea that it was a little more difficult than I had?
That's right.
Please be there.
I think it's buzzing around here.
No, we're getting things done.
People are moving out.
They're getting the job done.
The press has turned.
There's no question about that.
Okay, so Washington Post, they get ready to report it to me today.
It was all substance.
New York Times, all substance.
They didn't have a way since last Friday.
Since your appointments.
In case you need to get a headline on the road with revelations that comes out of the earth.
Okay, it's on my reader and it's on Facebook and all over.
So...
Okay.
No, at this point, we don't care about that.
We're not shooting those.
We're not going to be knocked out of this box.
I understand that you're denying the letter.
You're running that right.
That letter came out of the press that I told you about.
Yeah.
They cut it out of the way.
Although they're trying to keep Dean credible, but...
You saw him last night?
How was his temperature?
Yeah.
His temperature's excellent.
He's just, first of all, he's a very good son.
He's a man.
He's a son.
He's done that for us all.
Yeah.
Which is pretty helpful.
Yeah.
Incidentally, did you tell him when the wire kept in the section that this is, that we had it?
I wouldn't have put the name on it, but we had a chapter and a verse that I was in for information.
I didn't know.
People I'd heard did, and they lied.
What did he say?
He says, what a surprise, wasn't it?
No, no, it wasn't a surprise.
He said he knows he was attacked by a troop, and he and his brother both were attacked.
He said he expected it.
I don't think he's captured.
But that's why I wanted to get the safety out of the decam report.
Because what was taken out of justice?
See, one whole year, which was from 61 to 58, just dropped off suddenly.
We haven't gotten 61 this figure yet.
I wonder if we should get Sullivan down.
They just called him down and he tested positive.
They told me he was tested positive very well.
Did he tell you that?
He ever tested positive?
You know, I don't know if he should.
And we get somebody to, and we just say, attendance, you get somebody to do your act for an investigation here at the firehouse.
The only thing on our house, they have one thing to worry about.
Yeah.
Just the one.
I think the closers did it.
No, I know about that, too.
They ordered it, but it did not work.
I know.
And broken was ordered, and it did not work.
This is what Irving told me.
All right, I'll get through your information.
that both were for him.
But I don't know.
That's the only reservation I have about going full bore with this thing, because if it...
Ultimately, it doesn't have any task at that time.
It was outside of the...
The Attorney General didn't approve it, but I approved it.
So I am writing to you.
We did, and of course I have a question about it all, but I'm just wondering how the bastards were using... Yeah, if they're going to use it, then we have to build a backfire that Kennedy and Senator were using to tax.
There can I go again.
Oh, I think we've got to do it.
We've got to do it.
I don't know that story.
I'm not sold on the story, but I'm not sold on being justified about what happened before we ever came here.
Anyway...
I just did an investigation and I can go to the numbers.
And I can just get to him.
That's right.
That's what we're here for.
All right.
Let's get to him.
Hey, Joe, I was talking to you.
I was talking to you.
I was talking to you.
I was talking to you.
I was talking to you.
I was talking to you.
I was talking to you.
I was talking to you.
I was talking to you.
You know something?
You could call him and say, I'll stop and try some stuff here.
Your customer totally wants to talk to you.
He just wants you to know.
Could you do that?
And then say, yeah, I'll stop.
I suggest you talk to him with someone and get information.
He will be very guarded, but he knows a lot about this.
Well, it looks like...
Just as well, just as well.
That'll make a story.
That'll make a story.
That'll have a meaning tomorrow night, as you said.
It'll be economic.
That'll be two-fold.
That'll be an economic subject.
I don't have the time to think to be given a summit briefing on 30, or could we look for any lines before going to Illinois?
I don't know what the time is on Illinois, but it doesn't go over the 10.
We can use another system.
We could use another system.
Henry would come down and read the leaders and whatever else they like on the summit and on Paris and on the Earth.
How's that?
Let's send that up so that Henry can do that Thursday.
How would that be, Al?
I think that's a good idea.
Fine.
Let's do it that way.
I shouldn't be meeting with these guys every other day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It looks like a good idea.
Could you do that?
That's a good idea.
We may have to do it twice.
We may have to do it with the Republicans separately and the Democrats separately.
But if you would work, have Dennis work that out, then Dr. Kiffin will be back.
He'll be back for Thursday, yes.
And then set up the reading and then...
whatever Democrats they want, and whatever Republicans they want, you know, House and Senate.
That's correct.
And we, with the project in operation, we have broader names for it.
We can go to them.
We can go to them, too, around the convenience store.
That's right.
That's very good.
Well, your folks should be ready Wednesday for regiment.
Uh, you know, I told, uh, I told him I don't have to do it with many medals in case it's so gross.
No, no use putting the rush.
I will not look at the books until Thursday morning.
So therefore, I don't want the books until, uh, Thursday morning, say, 9 o'clock.
See, I'll be working all day, but I'm just trying to get this speechy shape out.
Always give them a day when you can, and then they make better books.
And to be perfectly candid with you.
I can get those books and I can one day keep the screen.
We're talking to Henry, I don't know what that means.
You know what I mean?
It's going to be a very good deal of trouble.
I don't know.
I don't know.
They're going to go to keep the screen.
I'll have to learn.
But the reason, you know, Henry, in the dark, says it's Watergate.
He likes it in Watergate, but as he plumbed the brain, it's secure.
I don't want that sort of thing happening.
I think they want to keep it in a closer controlled area.
Some of them, they don't need to be over on it.
Because I think we've got to get that out, that that's the reason for us to go to Santa Monica, rather than that we just had to work.
That's the truth.
That the, just that the president didn't want to have any, any incidents, you know, or that they didn't want to have any incidents, you know, or somewhere.
There'd be no incidents.
And we had a lot, two reasons.
We had a lot of work to do.
We thought we could do it better here.
We'll spend a little more time in a cafe, but that's, you know, two or three days.
Spending the time of the day with my work is a very good idea.
That's right.
We're in trouble, Declan.
We've got it there.
Declan, you're a hell of a lawyer.
You know, good or bad, you're the greatest.
Dan, that's just going to be great.
What did you say?
I'm the greatest.
But what are you greatest at coming out of this?
Oh, conference is just going to be great.
It's going to be seven.
Declan's done a fantastic job.
This is where it is indispensable.
The state would never have had any dark dreams.
They would have had a bland evening at the end.
We'd gassed around for three, four days and had a lot of dinners and toasts and so forth.
But Henry's marvels and sessions were marvelous.
Well, as we now move to the commander's side, I don't know.
I don't know if you can get a sign.
They were trying to reach, of course they watched everything.
I listened to these guys in the meeting.
Hell, I was the green one.
Schultz, he's sophisticated enough.
He made a very appropriate reference to you when he said that they all went there thinking whatever he does, he took their advice.
Do you understand?
Of course I do.
I didn't rule out a freeze.
I didn't rule out, although I said I had great doubts about it, I didn't rule out a
You all want a free economy?
And they said, yes.
I said, well, that's my goal.
The question is, how do we get there?
You all want to do something about food?
Yes.
How do we get there?
Now, that's what we have to do here.
Exactly.
Make sure you have a victim.
Consolidate.
Don't be harsh on them.
Not be at least sympathetic.
A lender will support the free.
It affects the market increment.
So it affects the market increment.
What the hell difference does it make?
America's up and down and, you know, we go with the excellent psychology of the country.
But one day it's going to go up again.
It really is.
Because the economy's strong.
You know, I think the psychology of the country is going to be improved by the act, first the act, right?
That's another thing.
The market people will piss on it.
The economists, Rawls, and all that bunch.
They always have room.
What, if anything, do I do well now?
I guess there's nothing new, just waiting.
No sir, as soon as we get word that Brent's meeting now, he's waiting for that call.
Or he'll message and he'll call me first.
So, what will happen at 11 o'clock today?
If it breaks off, then we'll go out and say we've failed to agree and he comes to sign off.
That's what I'm saying.
I hope that what Henry will say is that most of them we haven't completed, but there have been differences and we're going to continue to work.
We've made great progress and it's all been outstanding.
Yeah, we have that.
We have things that we can sign on up to this point and now we're going to take some time.
I hope we can go that way.
The country, as I said, isn't waiting with bated breath as to whether or not this is going to go through.
It doesn't make that much sense.
That's absolutely correct.
That word is a deep-fused issue.
The only problems there are are really problems of the real substance of it.
Yes, sir.
We know.
You and I know.
South Vietnam, Cambodia, and Austria down the tube in the next few months.
Our whole policy in South India is a very serious problem.
It affects the Chinese economy, etc.
With that, we have to leave.
They got on the pipeline.
I guess that's it.
I hope they're very, very warm.
Henry's marvellous assumptions were marvellous.
Well, it's a renownable view of the economics.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I didn't give Stein and Schultz any impressions.
They were trying to reach the first.
They watched everything.
I listened to these guys in the meeting.
Hell, I was agreeing with them.
Schultz, like I said, he's sophisticated enough
Yes, he made a very appropriate reference to you when he said that they all went there thinking whatever he does, he took their advice.
Do you understand?
Okay.
Carson, I didn't rule out frees.
I didn't rule out, although I said I had great doubts about it, I didn't rule out, I said, do you all want a free economy?
And they said, yes.
I said, well, that's my goal.
The question is, how do we get there?
You all want to do something about food?
Yes.
How do we get there?
Now, we...
They, uh, that's what we have to do here, exactly.
Make sure you have a business.
Consult with them.
It's going to be hard for them to not be at least sympathetic.
A lender will support the freeze because it's on wages.
Business will go up the wall.
It will affect the market increment.
So what if there's a market increment?
What the hell difference does it make?
If the market goes up and down, you know,
We go with an excellent psychology of the country.
One day it's going to go up again.
It really is.
Because this economy is strong.
No, I think the psychology of the country is going to be improved by it.
Of the average person.
The average, right.
And that's another part.
The market people will piss on it.
The economy will roll up all that much.
They always have to.
What if anything, do I do well now?
I guess there's nothing to do, just wait.
No sir, as soon as we get word, Brent's meeting now, he's waiting for that call, word of message, and he'll call me first.
Well, what will happen at 11 o'clock today, if it breaks off, then both of us, I mean, if we fail to agree, it becomes a sidewalk.
That's what I'm saying.
We haven't completed, but there have been differences, and we're going to continue to work.
We've made great progress, and it's all been outstanding.
Yeah, we have that.
We have things that we can sign on up to this point, and now we're going to take some time.
I hope we didn't go that way, but we got them.
The country, as I said, isn't waiting with bated breath as to whether or not this is done and everything goes through.
It doesn't take that much time.
That's absolutely correct.
That word is a deep-fused issue.
The only problems there aren't any problems.
There's a real substance of it.
Yes, sir.
We know.
You and I know.
South Vietnam and Cambodia will also be on the tube in the next few months.
Our whole policy in Southeast India is a very serious problem for the next 20, 30, or so years.
They've got it on the pipeline.
I hope they're very, very warm.
Oh, are you right?
Now that's why you're the old smoothie.
I talked to Al yesterday, and, uh, I want to say two things.
One, I'm just delighted to be able to do this.
And second, that I will call Robert, uh, his assistant, uh, Robert Jackson.
I know him, and I met him before he started the round, round and face-off.
Right, and about six foot tall.
Finally, the six foot to me, I shrunk.
I didn't know I hated my old age, but I came after him.
What should I say to him?
Am I going to call him today?
He'll be in about an hour.
Right.
Right.
All right.
In the interest of country.
Good.
Good.
Yeah, he told me, but I don't want to talk about this, because I'm going to order the whole thing.
Frank, it's not going to play for you that you're going to love it.
I mean, we need, you know what I mean, the idea that Al told me that he's going to, because of Mel, the situation.
that I had in mind for Mel and that was over.
I don't have in mind for you to just leave.
I want you to be a political man.
You know what I mean?
A political man and also advice and acceptance.
You know, on the basis of the two of you, Mel and I, starting to sit down and have these things around.
And that is what we need.
We just need your wisdom.
And I'm not going to let you go down on your own.
Excuse me.
No, no, it is very, but then you see, you would, frankly, you'd be the man to talk to Bush, you'd be the man to talk to Hagan, and there's a few some others that I might want you to do, like Rocky, for example.
There's just so many plays that shouldn't be made, certainly by Al, and probably not by Mel.
due to the fact that, you know, you know the reach.
It has to be somebody that is known to be very, very close to me on a very personal basis.
Great.
Now, as a matter of fact, I'd like to have an understanding if that's all right with you.
Good.
But, well, when you come in, good, that's great, that's great.
And, just right, because we will have finished the freshman students for that time, despite the scooch of action suggestions and post-mortem.
Boy, these guys are getting pretty partisan.
Good gosh.
Yeah.
Well, I don't know what I mean about it.
I don't know.
I mean, we've had to do it for two times.
But in the first act, the other night, you know, when things were a little lower, they were, hey, you know, it's got to be like steel or whatever it was you're carrying around.
Yeah.
Sometimes, sometimes, but... We all kind of know that.
That's why you ought to hear what I go through at night.
I guess no president has been through anything like this.
They'll have to go on the same basis.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I didn't do it.
I might look back, but I didn't in his case.
I don't know.
In fact, in any case, I wasn't afraid of that.
Yeah, I was a candy witch.
Good heavens, I didn't come up where I didn't teach them the truth.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Remember to leave off on the time of the plane about that, Frank.
Frank, Frank, I'm just talking to Bryce.
Apparently, he made a civil right now.
He said he would make a civil, so I'm taking credit, so I can hold myself.
Well, anyway, this is it, but don't expect to be on board until the second.
If that's all right, is that all right, Al?
You gotta have a little, you gotta have a little
Good.
Well, we had Scott Fulbright go on.
Ed Brook had the old Dole take on Jackson.
Well, the first, what do you call it?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But they've all, each one was taken on strong and in trouble as a precedent.
That's why Goldwater's giving his this morning.
What do you think?
Hugh Scott, Fulbright, Goldwater, Fulbright, Jackson on the opens, on the postponement, Ed Brook and Mark Hatfield and Dole's.
Those are the best I can think of.
Did you explain the fact that...
I have the impression that he's pointed out in his resolution, Senator's report, he says, yeah, it's pretty true that I was curious of him only to be done such a damn thing.
Right.
He said he was just very, very honored and pleased that you stopped to pass that information on to him.
He knew it had to be something like that.
He looks forward.
He's totally behind you.
He's always been.
And he looks forward to seeing you.
He's making special efforts to be there.
That would be a good sign.
He may not come to us because I think he was out of the city and couldn't go away.
Well, that's good.
I don't want you to have a burden too much.
Not that kind of a call.
You can make it when it's very important.
You should make it very important.
Some of those are made by the guys at Harvard.
Harvard's going to be secure.
That's going to be fixed.
And later, you know, the tree that you were going to be holding.
Let me tell you.
I said, hold on to her and we'll call the security center.
didn't mean that much because in a strange sort of way, as I told you, I was never close to them, so yeah.
Because they seemed to me to get out of generation.
You know what I'm saying?
And that, you know, that makes a lot of these people.
That's why one of the reasons I kept saying, oh, that's not true.
I thought that he had shot across the bottom of these guys and said, you're still on the team.
That's right.
No, that was very good.
It really was because they're all watching us very carefully now.
We've got to keep going.
On the lead, half a lap.
Well, they're still waiting.
They wait a second at the end of the lead.
It needs 30 minutes.
It doesn't look better.
No, because there's some tough stuff coming out of sight.
I don't know the wires.
But you said the distance is not good enough.
not going to be able to fight alone if he has to, and all that crap that came out, the senators came out this morning.
Well, on the other hand, they were wrong.
There are only two points that are separate, and they're conceivable, they're comfortable.
But we've canceled the congressional thing, and that was all right because they were told it was sort of a tentative thing.
That's right.
We'll talk about what we'll do tomorrow.
Is it your thought tomorrow to have the thing ready?
I think if you do it, we'll be all over the place with these guys.
He's in with the original people.
I talked to Bill about it very early, so it looked like a question that kind of comes
We had to do this late for reasons that are obvious.
We had to do this late for reasons that are obvious.
We had to do this late for reasons that are obvious.
We had to do this late for reasons that are obvious.
We had to do this late for reasons that are obvious.
Yes, they were reworking the thing.
They still, I could tell from Stiles, you know, when I talked to him privately, he had to see how much he might relate because of the meeting yesterday.
I said, you get that package together, that's exactly what's going to be done.
I haven't been very early, so there's no question of coming.
We had to do this late for reasons that are obvious as far as all the activities that we were working on.
Alright, it took a lot for that.
We can't have just the four of them.
Right.
And that's it.
We need to show some sign, take care of the press, put the anchorman separately, and bring in some experts.
That's kind of what we had to go on.
Yes, they were pretty work with the thing.
They still, I could tell from the silence when I talked to him privately, he had to see how much he might relate because of the meeting yesterday.
I said, you get that package together, that's exactly what's going to be done.