Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 941-007
Date: Thursday, June 14, 1973 at 6:14 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.; Bull, Stephen B.; Henkel, Willam H., Jr.; Brennan, John V.; Bennett, John C. (Maj. Gen.); Scowcroft, Brent G. (Gen.); Kissinger, Henry A.; Parker, David N.; Jenkins, Garry M.; Hyland, William G.; Sonnenfeldt, Helmut ("Hal"); [Unknown person(s)]
Recording device: Oval Office
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/941-007

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[0:01] What are the open questions?
[0:06] Plans, plans, plans, and how's that?
[0:09] You know, I've been in here.
[0:10] All your chairs are on it.
[0:15] You know, I'm on board.
[0:16] I'll take a seat.
[0:17] All the way around.
[0:18] I'll sit here.
[0:28] On the right.
[0:53] This is a crazy conversation.
[0:56] Sorry.
[0:57] Well, uh, I was wondering about a couple of points that, uh, that Mr. Jerome, uh, that the Russians didn't research the country, right?
[1:10] Or ever used the country.
[1:11] And what was done for it?
[1:14] What was your conclusion?
[1:15] How do I go to mandate it to the government?
[1:20] What I want to do there is to go down, and then come down to the Great Dispatch and write a little ceremony.
[1:39] Now, the point is, I can't go off.
[1:43] I can stay.
[1:49] And his wife is not here, so we've got to make sure that we've got to get a very select group that that should be involved.
[1:55] You know, if you have a, let's say, six people in the room.
[2:08] I'm going to hold up the whole thing because it's long and long, but I need what you would like.
[2:10] I don't need a big crowd as well as you.
[2:11] I don't need a big crowd as well as you.
[2:12] I don't need a big crowd as well as you.
[2:14] I think anything would be nice.
[2:14] I think anything would be nice.
[2:15] What do you think?
[2:16] I think anything would be nice.
[2:17] What do you think?
[2:17] I think anything would be nice.
[2:18] What do you think?
[2:19] I think anything would be nice.
[2:20] What do you think?
[2:20] I think anything would be nice.
[2:22] What do you think?
[2:23] I think anything would be nice.
[2:24] What do you think?
[2:24] I think anything would be nice.
[2:25] What do you think?
[2:26] I think anything would be nice.
[2:26] What do you think?
[2:27] I think anything would be nice.
[2:28] What do you think?
[2:29] I think anything would be nice.
[2:30] What do you think?
[2:30] I think anything would be nice.
[2:31] What do you think?
[2:31] I think anything would be nice.
[2:32] What do you think?
[2:33] I think anything would be nice.
[2:34] What do you think?
[2:34] I
[2:36] I would have our side, I would have the...
[2:38] I would have... obviously I would have the secretary of the church, uh... and, uh, everything to myself.
[2:49] That's that.
[3:01] And that way you can have a good calm product.
[3:05] I'll set that up again.
[3:06] Just, I wonder about wind speed for a second.
[3:10] Does it keep going that way?
[3:13] Yes, it's nice to be able to accelerate.
[3:15] How long, do we only have to stay there, just for that night?
[3:17] One night.
[3:20] Return to the next day.
[3:21] All day, return to the next day.
[3:22] Huh.
[3:25] Thanks.
[3:27] writing, signing, agreement, whatever you've got.
[3:31] It's a lot of help, and they have the pricing that you requested, security notes, and your office, and we have a meeting with American Business, especially when you write, where it says, hey, we have just made one of the head signings.
[3:48] After that meeting on the board, after the special, after we get all the bonds, we can do it next time.
[3:59] But, you know, we'll build that push, and we will leave.
[4:05] We'll build it, and we'll be able to do it.
[4:08] I think it's all right in there.
[4:10] Thursday, Sunday, what you do back here in the afternoon is a different location.
[4:16] So we like to try to do it later.
[4:19] And besides this, it's a song.
[4:21] I'm not having a teacher.
[4:24] They did all their system work, so it's a different deal.
[4:32] I think I participated in one of these programs.
[4:35] But I don't think Congress does better than the student department.
[4:41] And Hanford is a culture-centered institution.
[4:45] Not it.
[4:45] The two-off in California.
[4:51] That's what I do.
[5:02] I believe they take the best choices they want.
[5:08] They don't want to be too political and get to the ground because they've got to be straight and right in the middle of the picture.
[5:19] They just care about side foot up there, up there, up there, up there.
[5:23] But they strip, put it there, and they've got to get real close.
[5:28] Maybe they want to take the long way.
[5:34] Mr. President, are you considering a collection of sailboats as press briefings at the beginning of the ECHO Interaction?
[5:40] There will be no sort of transactions that will be done on the grounds.
[5:46] So there's no press briefings?
[5:47] I don't know if that's how it's going to be discussed.
[5:49] I was talking about the camp safety.
[5:51] When you're on safety, I mean, for the safety, you mentioned up to 87.
[5:54] The safety is a question not a lot, but it's a big question.
[5:57] This is only a television crew.
[6:00] This allows no certain presence on the network.
[6:10] when I was discussing this, the possibility that we could do the taping out where the sailor is and the space station is.
[6:20] That was fine.
[6:20] You could do the taping out where everybody is at night.
[6:23] It would stand up on its own there, but I don't think it is.
[6:26] Like, you've got to leave the studio in the atmosphere.
[6:29] I couldn't go on.
[6:30] I think that's what you're looking for.
[6:33] It's a great little project.
[6:33] It was right.
[6:34] They gave us a very good loop for our game.
[6:36] I think that's correct.
[6:44] But Dr. Henry could be the reason to go through with it.
[6:48] I was the impression of the reason Mr. Williams could stay in the house.
[6:53] And I know he wasn't necessarily the type of person working for you as a supervisor, Mr. Williams.
[6:58] But on the other hand, both sides, you're going to be working out with Mr. Williams, whatever you want to do.
[7:03] You're willing to do that, Mr. Williams.
[7:07] How many times does that have to do with the state?
[7:14] All right, he's saying it's two.
[7:15] They are.
[7:16] If you're going to make a specific request, this is the most, of course.
[7:21] And that is, Mr. Bursch, that employer stays in the residence itself.
[7:25] Yes.
[7:25] And that should be legal.
[7:26] All right.
[7:27] Thank you.
[7:28] Freshback at 100, saying the actual residence, I think it is a, I don't know, one of them, I guess.
[7:37] Is there anyone in his life?
[7:39] No, sir.
[7:40] No, no, there isn't.
[7:41] Well, how about it?
[7:45] I've got, I've got one free headroom, and I've also got a cottage that I can put in there.
[7:52] Well, please don't make the cottage too great.
[7:54] I know I've got another cottage up next to our house.
[7:57] For as far as I know, he bought the room he called, and agreed with it.
[8:00] Great, all right.
[8:02] And we'll put each in a separate room.
[8:05] So, this is our room for one headroom, and I'll leave it at that.
[8:08] The president says it's essential that this room be...
[8:13] That's good, that's ridiculous.
[8:18] We're all the same.
[8:18] We're all the same.
[8:19] If it makes no sense, can it be better?
[8:21] Now, what if, what if, what if right now, there is a, that cottage is set up, if you know what I mean, in a way that there is another room assigned.
[8:31] Would he like to have that be the other room?
[8:33] He's doing it.
[8:35] It's a part of him.
[8:36] If he likes it, he can do that.
[8:40] He can throw a bed in there.
[8:44] All right.
[9:11] Now with regard to saying, well maybe the other point was, whether or not he did want to have a reception, a poolside reception.
[9:18] He did, whatever he wanted.
[9:21] Yeah, whatever he wanted.
[9:23] Now we could put on a hell of a show, a very nice show, but I had a mindless to do it, which was for you to do it.
[9:30] Yeah, sorry to interrupt.
[9:32] No, thank you.
[9:33] Yeah, he had a good day back, nothing to spill.
[9:39] Uh, if there's a quick show, there's Peter.
[9:42] There he is.
[9:43] I mean, he can't be mocked by a hundred people... ...all trying to...
[9:48] I don't know if they're receiving money... ...and come through, and they go out and drink... ...and we just go around standing with each other, you know?
[9:58] Well, but not so that a hundred people can catch up, you know?
[10:02] They can't do that.
[10:02] We won't find out exactly.
[10:04] I mean, that's what to me is said enough.
[10:06] If it's said enough, like it was if they said two or three.
[10:09] Oh, I understand.
[10:11] You know what I mean?
[10:13] I understand.
[10:14] Right.
[10:14] I'll take you through that.
[10:15] But what I was wondering, wouldn't he like to meet probably some of the Hollywood celebrities?
[10:21] But he might have to meet some of the top business people.
[10:25] What do you think?
[10:26] It's a combination.
[10:26] What do you think?
[10:28] I think it must not look too privileged for him to accept it.
[10:34] Or our employer should be loyal.
[10:36] I think you should do it.
[10:37] It's an empire for your own good.
[10:40] It's an empire.
[10:42] I mean, uh, I think you did that, you got that combination of seizures.
[10:47] Yeah, I think that was, and I don't know if anybody has a chance, but I just, just have a private figure for you.
[10:55] I think I've had a party.
[10:56] All right?
[10:57] I think you should have seen the indigenous people, the true political people, and some of the new Hollywood people up there.
[11:07] Why do you think the Hollywood people, like the Older Stars, you know, that are known in the changing stores, count as eligible to rule about as good as that?
[11:17] We were hoping to build them up tremendously.
[11:20] So it was very hard to take the piece, you know, right now, that we were going to hand them.
[11:25] So I knew we were going to do that.
[11:28] All right, fine.
[11:28] Now, what kind of men did we want on that angle?
[11:32] On Saturday night, we were looking at the, what we, you remember, right?
[11:34] We had the Hollywood party.
[11:35] They, we met them.
[11:36] They came to, you know, the party was very long.
[11:39] And all of them went out in that area.
[11:41] So we went out and stood around by ourselves.
[11:45] He chatted with each other.
[11:48] I'm glad.
[11:48] He used to give us a bowl of toast, and we liked it.
[11:50] If you can't sort a good thing, the only thing that would worry me is if it were a big rush towards you and him.
[11:56] But you came up, and if you could set it up so that maybe you'd stand under the canopy, and each make a little speech.
[12:06] So the people don't get it.
[12:19] Alright, we're going to get that boy to start being very, very careful about it.
[12:22] Richard's got to be there for one of us.
[12:24] Would that be a safe there?
[12:26] No.
[12:26] He doesn't care about that.
[12:28] I think he'd prefer it not to, okay?
[12:31] I have to love him, he said to him.
[12:33] And I have to really, he said to him, because of the heat that he was in, he had a bad spot.
[12:38] He had to be careful.
[12:40] And, uh, well...
[12:45] Oh, they want to say we could make it a demarcation if you see some of the women, all of the gals, and all of the men.
[12:50] Fair deal.
[12:50] Well, the thing is that we might be bad at the list.
[12:57] And as far as the businessmen are concerned, they've got to be the real, real topics and not just the computer viewers.
[13:04] So that list is going to be very, very common.
[13:14] What would you like for $100,000?
[13:16] That's a half off.
[13:19] Half off.
[13:20] I think $100,000 is about right.
[13:24] $100,000 is around $100,000.
[13:26] Okay.
[13:33] Thank you.
[13:35] Thank you.
[13:46] God will work this list out.
[13:47] This is very, very important.
[13:50] And I'm really grateful for that.
[13:53] And, uh, I guess you can put it on the 30th or whatever.
[13:56] Well, if I, uh, if you have a question, I'm on the motion.
[13:59] Here's the slide.
[14:00] I have Sandy Davis.
[14:01] I'm on the motion.
[14:03] I'm on the motion.
[14:07] I'm sure he's a good one.
[14:09] We are having a hell of a time getting our team in because of that.
[14:11] It's not because there aren't some of them, you know, that are kind of Jewish because of their flag or something, but they're managers.
[14:23] I think that's very good.
[14:25] That's going to be great.
[14:26] No, I'm making my clear.
[14:27] John Lane, Jimmy Stewart, the guys in East Coast...
[14:34] Hey, I'll work that out.
[14:35] I'll work that out.
[14:35] Listen, I'm not here to talk to you.
[14:41] I'm not here to talk to you.
[14:42] On to the place you're going now.
[14:44] Does he want to have, does he want to have a great show and a great show and everybody on it?
[14:50] Does he want that going on?
[14:51] He doesn't care.
[14:52] As long as he doesn't say.
[14:55] Yeah, the thing is, the more we have, the less chance of it.
[15:02] Well, the reason is that was, that whenever, now that we go to the public bureau, I mean, whenever you go, that's easy.
[15:08] No, not necessarily, but it's easier to say, when the two foreign ministers travel together, why don't the two foreign ministers go and do something?
[15:20] Yeah.
[15:20] And to have pressure.
[15:21] I see.
[15:23] So we put another thing.
[15:24] Well, I think that makes a much more problem.
[15:26] But it is a problem.
[15:27] And I think there are people who have figured out logistically if we can have them on.
[15:37] And I'll bring them in.
[15:38] I mean, I'll bring them in.
[15:41] Pressure up behind the little compartment that leads up there, talking to the gun.
[15:48] You probably have a very, very, very, very, very,
[15:56] Well, you'll have to throw me the ground, which I'll explain to you tomorrow.
[15:58] But you'll have to take me there.
[16:04] I'll see you home.
[16:04] No, but you'll have to say, or you'll have to sign certain things to the board of directors, because I'll have to throw me the ground, because if I don't do it, he can't take me around.
[16:13] Well, that I can't do.
[16:14] All right.
[16:15] I don't know why.
[16:20] All right.
[16:21] All right.
[16:21] Anything else you need to know from me about this?
[16:25] I just want to know what the party, now on the party, Henry, what would you like to do next?
[16:32] Would you like to have a, say, Henry Munch, Henry Munch, Henry Munch, Henry Munch, Henry Munch, Henry Munch.
[16:39] Uh, would he like, uh, would he like a king or two, or chasers, or would he like, uh, a Spanish guy, or...
[16:45] Which I think, my impression of this, I guess, is that he doesn't know this sort of thing.
[16:51] He could have chasers.
[16:52] I'd have more chasers.
[16:54] Chasers, and, uh, more chasers, I'd argue, because...
[16:59] I don't want that strength.
[17:03] I don't want that strength.
[17:04] I don't want that strength.
[17:07] I don't want that strength.
[17:09] I don't want that strength.
[17:15] I don't want that strength.
[17:22] They're awfully good.
[17:23] Awfully good.
[17:26] They're really well done.
[17:27] Well, sir.
[17:28] Sit down.
[17:28] Sit down, sir.
[17:30] Be alone.
[17:31] They're playing with you.
[17:33] They're used to order.
[17:34] I don't think they're going to do it.
[17:38] I think it's anti-crime.
[17:39] If you sit down, you're going to have a problem.
[17:43] It gets bored as hell out here.
[17:46] It amazes you.
[17:47] That takes a lot of time.
[17:48] Now, we will not sit down, but have food around so the food table is where anybody has to sit down and eat.
[17:54] And if you order, it's like a party.
[17:56] It's like a party.
[17:57] It's good.
[17:59] And, uh, did I take care of that?
[18:01] Now I do, I do need an eye for our jokes up there.
[18:03] We can get out there Friday night.
[18:04] Well, uh, big one.
[18:06] Saturday morning.
[18:07] Well, that's really all that's needed.
[18:11] And Sunday, what happens then?
[18:13] Uh, Sunday's secret, uh, is that, uh, if I don't, uh, well, one thing we want are, which is very, very important to us here, I don't think you will want, there's plenty of pictures of us in San Clemente.
[18:29] I think that he heard of us and the reason for that is the first of that was a scene on this visit with his husband.
[18:35] I haven't seen that in generally a lot of events.
[18:41] The walk along by the beach and so forth and so on.
[18:47] um i'm referring
[19:09] And I'm referring just to stills.
[19:11] One who told the camera, and maybe a couple stills, where they take pictures of us walking around town.
[19:23] Now, uh...
[19:26] And he also suggested to me that he approached her, uh, to see if she was out by the area.
[19:31] But that won't be her house.
[19:32] They have to be prepared.
[19:33] They said we'll have to leave.
[19:34] We'll do it early in the afternoon.
[19:36] That's right.
[19:36] Yeah.
[19:37] This is why I told you about it.
[19:40] Because we didn't fix the thing.
[19:43] That you might like it, but there was a time when we thought I'd stand it.
[19:46] Yeah.
[19:46] We didn't have the opportunity to support you.
[19:52] He wouldn't like to do it, would he?
[19:56] No, definitely not.
[19:57] He'd like to go out and vote, but not to do that.
[20:00] That's a problem for a place to go and vote.
[20:02] You could have done that, see?
[20:04] But we need to do it.
[20:07] No, no, the other person, well, we can't take him out.
[20:11] Well, something you might consider is to go back to your thoughts.
[20:15] Let them go.
[20:29] The difficulty is, you've got to be very sure of whether they're going to take that procedure.
[20:38] It's not a common thing.
[20:40] It's like, what?
[20:41] You've got to have the trust.
[20:44] I hope it's not a natural thing.
[20:53] What do you like to do this with?
[21:12] Would you like on a very cold base?
[21:14] We've just got a fire to the right of the coast so you can see.
[21:22] Well, that's better.
[21:23] He would like it.
[21:24] But we might have to make it a little bit more security.
[21:27] The bringer has told me that what he likes best is if you say something that looks very spontaneous.
[21:34] Yeah.
[21:35] And I think it might be a good idea if it was.
[21:37] Saturday morning, you don't really have all that much left.
[21:40] Okay, sure, we've done it.
[21:41] We've done a big part of the work.
[21:42] If you just set it in, why don't you take it?
[21:47] I'll show you.
[21:47] Yeah.
[21:48] Is that what you said?
[21:50] Yeah.
[21:51] What we could do would be to take him up the coast to the point there and let him see the marina below and then come back.
[22:00] It's perfect, we'll say.
[22:03] It's a beautiful drive.
[22:04] There's no security problem.
[22:06] But it shouldn't be planned in this house.
[22:11] It's outside.
[22:13] It's not an house.
[22:13] That's right.
[22:13] And he, uh...
[22:14] I'll leave this however it is.
[22:15] The Savior will be with us.
[22:16] Don't be surprised.
[22:18] They'll come following us.
[22:18] Uh, it... Yeah, but...
[22:22] It must be laid on as a convoy of security people that I...
[22:24] I'm not sure how it's actually...
[22:26] It is what it is.
[22:30] I'll just deal with it outside.
[22:32] That's all right.
[22:33] It's one of those things that organize stress and quiet.
[22:36] And let them follow you.
[22:37] Yeah, okay.
[22:43] We'll try to still get along after we get there, huh?
[22:47] He said if he stopped driving, we could have something closer.
[22:51] We could have something close back home.
[22:52] Yeah, that's right.
[22:54] We could get a small pool.
[22:55] We might have a very, very small pool that we're just going to take a drive across.
[23:00] Because I think that will give him a chance to say that he found that he saw a little America.
[23:05] If he did that otherwise, he would have seen nothing except flying over it.
[23:09] Except that I'm just very slow, but I can just find it.
[23:11] I've worked with savers.
[23:12] It doesn't have to be three.
[23:14] My parents is multiple regards, not one more.
[23:16] I don't care how much, I'm like Scott.
[23:17] My dad had been great at what it was like.
[23:22] Everything he told me was very grateful and grand.
[23:25] But suddenly it broke my sense of it.
[23:30] All right.
[23:33] Thank you for all your hard work, fellas.
[23:35] If I made any mistakes, I was part of the Henry West team.
[23:36] That's a good thing.
[23:37] Well, we appreciate all your work.
[23:39] We'll see you next week.
[23:40] Cheers.
[23:58] We'll be right back.