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What do you think?

I mean, I think, I can always, of course,

That gives me more time to talk to these.

They've got some pretty important senators on board.

Oh, boy, I think that's where it's going to end up.

I think it's going to take a lot of time to find back there other than working up remarks.

And they make so much difference, you know.

No, no, excuse me.

Presidents in here.

I'm there.

I'm just reading your remarks.

It's a dedication ceremony.

One thing we have to be a little bit careful of is that you'll notice that Henry, and they overplayed it in the press, so it drew back from the significance of the break-in.

It grew better.

A little bit.

And the reason he did was because the Chinese are very tight backers.

So we've got the problem of threading a very fine line.

I'm saying something nice about the Chinese in here.

Good.

I've got that.

But there are two reasons for not hyping too much.

You did it, and I've done it a little bit.

The historic team is in this meeting.

Yeah.

One is that it does drive the Chinese up the wall when we start a cycle.

The second is that we don't want it to look like that you aren't really working and getting these achievements next week as they come.

I don't think this is too much, but last year I made a historic journey for peace to the city, after which began a lot of my thinking time.

Here we laid the foundation for new peace for relations with everyone important to the world's people.

Now, that lives a career.

Three days from now, I will welcome the leaders of the Soviet Union.

We have already concluded more agreements with the Soviets in the past four years, and all the rest of those are here.

We expect to expand that relationship even further in next week's last meeting.

As we look at the world scene, there are powerful reasons for encouraging that, Mr. President, said recently to the world.

change our approach.

This is no time for us to retreat from world responsibility.

That's all right.

I think I'll read that.

I think so.

Save my time.

Save your time.

I don't read very often.

But you read well.

I can read as well as anybody.

Yes, sir.

We're going to deal with this in the business, get it done, get it done.

And then we'll try to do that all the time.

So just very few can do it when they like.

But I've demonstrated that.

I've demonstrated that.

I'm sorry to bother you.

We have one problem, which I'm going to do something about again.

The vice president, the vice ambassador, the Chinese ambassador, he's just not there.

But they have given him to believe that the Vice President should ask for an integration of China.

And they have asked me for my opinion, and I told them to stall.

I don't see what good the Vice President does against China and defend it.

He talked to us about travel.

You were here.

Yes, I am.

And...

And after the whole world comes to be much more everywhere.

He's never been to Russia.

He's never been to any European country.

I think the thing I would say is that with the Chinese, that until back in the year of Europe, we don't want anybody to go to China.

I don't have to say anything to him.

I'll get the Chinese to that.

Well, just say to the Chinese that we think that would be too high level until I make my next trip.

Well, that's what I think.

How's that?

Yeah.

And then what I would like to do, Henry, Henry's got to work out something where he can go to Russia or something like that.

You know what I mean?

He's not doing any harm there.

Well, we have a problem with the Russians, Mr. President.

We have to be careful next week not to hide away too much.

Well, I've got an electric valve set.

Because I just talked to Ken, sending the Vice President to Russia.

Right after...

It's not how David decided.

Well, he didn't have to go right then.

But he can go to Eastern Europe as much as he wants.

Well, the thing to do is for you to get a hand.

The way I left, I didn't make any problems.

You know, I said, these are things that you can look for in the future.

He is really panicking on it.

Isn't he?

He'd have to be able to do this as quickly.

How is it worse than anything?

China.

Right.

It's crazy to be thinking about it.

He should be fighting that ball without passing us anyway.

But he can go to Eastern Europe.

Well, you should get him in and say, look, we should go to Russia or China right now.

If you go to China next spring, then he can go to Russia.

But we now have to balance towards, we've got to find something demonstrative we can do to the Chinese after the summit.

You're going to August.

Oh, and they're building it.

That's good.

They've already sold the French.

Good.

Well, that's a good thing.

Every time, yeah.

Well, it's...

I'll do something, too.

Maybe for the last guy, but I don't understand anything.

I mean, there's more of his reaching.

I mean, this good guy didn't indicate when he was talking about going to China.

I don't see...

I don't think people should go.

You know, it's just very...

I mean, he doesn't do us any good there because he doesn't know what the strategy is.

He doesn't know.

He's...

He didn't do any harm.

He called.

Well, let me say though, the way that anybody has to send you someplace else.

Yeah, but he can go to Eastern Europe.

He can go all over Eastern Europe.

All right, you figure that out.

Send him to Poland.

Oh, good.

I'm good on that.

He can go anyplace.

Eventually, he should go to the best place for him to go is Eastern Europe.

Tell the Chinese ambassador that I don't mind congressional people going.

I think out of my trip should come some arrangement for an exchange of visits between you and Joe.

The Vice President can't go because the Vice President and the President have both been to China.

And they haven't been here.

And that won't do.

Just say it would be a mistake.

And then you'd go back.

Good boy.

God, he's gone over in business groups.

Unbelievable.

They mentioned you.

Yeah, we all know that.

I was talking about China.

I was thinking that sometimes in four years he'd go to China.

You know what I mean?

He can.

Oh, sure.

God, he said that.

But God Almighty, he's called a bachelor.

We're going to go to China right away.

Good heavens.

Well, he's not going to go.

The Chinese would have went for it.

Yeah, you could tell.

It's my view that the President of the United States is almost saying that until I go again, that he should not go.

If you're talking to Congress about it, don't worry about it.

Oh, I have no question about that.

But I can see it.

I told him about it.

I'll say some nice things about it today, too.

And that will be the night.

You know, don't be concerned, Henry, about the, about the, whatever play I'm saying, the round, the goal, the goal is very good, but the play on the game, the two teams, or the ice land, or the immigration, low.

What's involved here is a gut political battle.

And these people do not want us to build up in our strength area.

That's all this is.

But we're going to go ahead and do it.

You guys have a big reception up there at the Congress, because those at Congress know deep down that this is the biggest thing that's happened in this country's modern history, right?

No question.

But the lack of objectivity of the press is really not good.

We gave them an hour's briefing yesterday at the summit.

They were five minutes from Vietnam.

The New York Times said coverage at all is a news story.

All they do is they pick up one answer on Vietnam, on Cambodia, and write a news story on that.

They do print a transcript of my talk, of the press conference, but they don't report that there was one.

It's a news story.

Is that right?

Oh, I'm not surprised.

And we haven't gone any times in history before.

Oh, oh, we haven't been in it.

We're going to apologize for the death.

They will not be able to avoid covering it next week.

No, they won't be.

No, we should start covering it.

And the more they piss on us now, the more...

They'll have next week.

The dean will be pissing on us.

We'll be on this, which is all right, too.

I think most people don't understand anymore what the hell he's talking about.

I don't care.

The rest of this, this is respect.

Look, this impression of this...

But what I've done, I've invited him to come out to San Clemente.

Good.

After the president has left.

Good.

And I'll be around.

And that will be very good.

You can get a picture.

Good.

And that will show you, we can have a dinner for him out there.

And I assure you, I assure you, that there is

If he lies, this is where we could have another, uh, a, a, a subject to show along.

And I also had the defense board minister coming out of St. Louis, and he said, you know, that's, uh, that's another of my playlists out there.

But, you, you want to harrow the minister, you want to put the vice president on as his keeper.

I mean, put him on the vice president.

But no, really, who's got the time?

I can't, he can't do it.

You can't do it.

Because, God, every time he pops off, I'm under some rock.

It's unbelievable.

It's president of the Middle East School of... What?

Well, there you go.

I know.

Well, send it.

We may have not taken it as big on the Middle East.

No, thank you, please.

No, no, that's all right.

I told the system.

Well, you're the president of the Middle East.

This is the perfect time to give it up.

It's all over, Joe.

So we've got him on tight strength.

He'll do anything you want.

But let's not feel right.

Right?

Absolutely.

Let's play systems.

This will play ball.

He will.

Let's get out of here.

Don't worry about the time starts in this story.

I'm going to lose it.

Right?

I'm going to lose it.

I'll be able to let you know tomorrow whether we can have some very specific things on Middle East next week.

Because I think I'm getting the interest to move with it.

Okay, thanks.

Good luck.

He is fast moving.

Now I mentioned, I said, I remember very well when I put it upon him in the future, I said, at some time, my God, if he was going to think of going immediately or having an ambassador over, he should ask me.

And he knows that's a big game.

You wouldn't say that?

I don't want to put this dead thing out there so it's safe.

I think we can just go.

We're working out a good strategy now on the House side to see if we can do anything short term.

Yeah, got it.

Scott's side is shocking.

Don't you ever put it off yet, have you?

Don't.

You get the damn thing and get it back to all of them.

God, that's some better talk.

Well, that's all I'm talking about.

That's what it is, son.

Huh?

Well, I just didn't catch it.

You see, that's part of that.

It's that hammering groove over there.

They write it usually, son, but they always have the stick in, son.

No, I hear right out of the water.

I read that.

Well, we knew that was coming.

So he crapped on her thigh.

He didn't say much about why she hit me.

He was very strong and presidential, which is good.

That was good.

That came off.

And it was way better.

And of course, when he hits us, we just got to say, just with a sharp denial, no more.

I wouldn't love any more than that, because otherwise you're going to get the position.

Actually, this is turning out.

We couldn't have asked for a better timing.

Well, you understand that the beach doesn't be rough.

Sure.

And, uh, you know, we're living in an archway, so stop panicking, because that doesn't mean we will.

As a matter of fact, I think they're beginning to get a little...

A little sense of balance back there, don't you think so?

Very much so.

How do you feel about all of that, Mark?

I think we are out of the woods, and I think what's going to come this week, and we don't know what the hell any questions are going to be about.

But where are those questions going to be?

We've got a bridge of fear, we've got these other things behind us, energy things, we're going to be good on Tuesday.

As a matter of fact, the whole tone of this stuff on television and everything is different, right?

Except for the record, always.

You saw it, you know, that a few people have it.

Where's the snake?

There's just a paragraph in here.

That's on the water case.

I do not read it.

Well, God damn it, can't you get it back?

That's what we're doing, Mr. President.

Just get the whole thing back.

You saw it.

There's a paragraph.

Okay.

I hope you get it, too.

Well, there's a couple of press efforts.

Okay.

Let it turn out.

We've got to do it.

We live in a time when many people are cynical about politics.

That won't even be picked up.

You see, I told him there, and I want you to tell him again, I would never want to catch any men that can even evade an implication if he were a bird walking.

This is...

I'm glad it's that paragraph.

That paragraph is not...

I mean, I'd prefer it not to be there, but if we attempt to pull it back now, it would focus attention on it.

This way, I think it would be overlooked.

I know.

That's right.

I know.

No, that's...

Quite frankly, when I read this over, when I got it this morning, that didn't even, I just went right over that, which I think indicates what most of the press will do with it.

So they mentioned, they mentioned, forget it.

Go ahead.

Okay.

With regard to, uh, speaking of, uh, as we expect in Congress, you're all arguing about it.

Some of it.

I saw the story of a colleague of his.

Yeah.

But I think that is a story that has come out of something a little earlier.

A little earlier.

He's coming from Texas.

I checked last night.

Bob Toth called me.

He was writing this story.

I said, Bob, where is this coming from?

He says, it's coming from a colony of people in Texas.

So Ann called me last night.

Ann Armstrong.

Yeah.

I had, as you know, a hell of a discussion with him yesterday.

And it's inconceivable to me that he's going to say that.

I think there's little do-gooders under him.

Sure.

Well, there was a third.

There was a third over here.

There was a third.

But now, my God, we're having him do this again.

We're having him on Thursday.

We're having him in San Clemente.

Those three invitations are going on.

He's not having any problems seeing the president.

He sees him more than any other person.

He spent half of last week eyeball to eyeball with the idea.

You know, it's just unbelievable.

On the other hand, the real problem was, let's not get ourselves.

Laird.

That's right.

Laird.

And I think Laird's been tripping because the first story came from heavens.

And Evans is a, is a, is a...

There's no doubt in my mind that Laird's pushing it for his own reasons.

Connelly's people are disappointed that Connelly didn't get a major permanent role.

But that'll come.

It's probably better not to take what I heard from his standpoint, yet from ours, definitely.

Definitely.

To have the idea that Connelly stepped in and saved us.

Definitely.

Sinking ship.

Definitely.

And that's the reason.

You still think we were right on putting our team on and out, even though it was bad advice?

Oh, I talked to Arthur Burns last night.

Great one.

He's not going to do anything.

My God.

Yes, and he said, tell the president I will never, never, never speak against him.

He said it's inconceivable.

He said his one difficulty is he's got to testify, and he's going to try to finesse the issue because he disagrees with an aspect of it.

But he said he'll never, never say anything.

The way we want to talk to this, and I talked to George today, is the solid line is that this is, we're using this to catch our breath.

That's right.

So we are building.

I'm never getting the hell out of this business.

I believe we are.

Because I have how much control over this.

George's morality is better than this.

Yes, it is better.

I put him on the- He knows.

I told him he would be the only one I could discuss this.

No, I've put him on this official receiving party for one thing.

He's coming to the dinner.

Now he feels bad.

He was a little upset about that.

Actually, it was a... God, you see, he's so sensitive.

But he's coming to the dinner.

There's only three cabbages coming.

Well, a bunch of cabbages.

And he's also going to the Sequoia.

Yeah, he'll be any time.

There he goes.

So now he's...

He's much better this morning.

I can see that.

I understand that what happened was he had lunch yesterday with Dr. Burns.

Two of them just commiserated with each other.

Hey, it's all right.

George is a decent man.

He just overloaded.

I guess we probably should have told him our direction.

George, you're going too much.

I'm going to lend you this message.

No, I told him that.

He told me he had too much to do.

I don't know if it's really, it's Mel, and I'm feeling... Yeah, well, yeah, it's you.

There, Mel's thicker than I thought he was.

Thicker than I... And we've got a control now.

And also, he's very, he's almost...

I don't know.

He's rabid on that issue.

I didn't realize he was as strong as that issue.

But Roy's alright.

Huh?

Roy's in good shape.

But I mean, why is...

Why is Schultz so furious at Ash?

Ash is a fast operator.

He kept doing things around him, not coordinating with him.

Now he's got that.

We didn't do the right thing, right?

Yes, I know we did.

We got all kinds of bait breaking on the subject, and that's very helpful.

I don't know if you want to describe the whole tone and the way it has stayed.

Rose, I didn't want to tell you this.

I think you better have a heart of the church for that Russian party.

You should call in yourself before you leave.

Say the president called you and he looked at the list, but they don't have, we're only in government having counterparts because the Russians have so many coming.

they don't have anything counterpart of his but the president said put birds on anyway because uh they will be discussing economics and uh that uh we'll feel that president probably won't be able to take the trip sometime over there

building the right to even know.

It may have been bad economics.

It may not have been the worst economics.

The way this thing was going, I don't know.

Maybe that we needed it, what do you think?

As a non-conference, we have the luxury of having an interview.

I believe it's all conference.

I think you've still, the wave of what has become normal is panic criticism.

We've stopped that.

We've got people debating about the issue.

Now, George and company

Understand that they've really got to get down to work and come up with something.

Stop the Congress.

That's another thing.

Stop the Congress.

What was the Congress?

You've got labor working for you on this issue, rather than again.

I think you've foreclosed a major confrontation on wages that have come out of several negotiations.

Responsibility for labor on wages.

You've provided a basis now for retailing the wage.

No, I think he did the right thing.

Well, at least the clients, we, we at least got the attention.

What did you say, no back setters, no loot around?

No, Dan Radler did this morning.

Did he?

You know, he is a real chef.

He's a chef.

He just came out and he said, new people, new faces, new activity, a new sphere of openness and cooperation among the scientists.

He was very plaintive.

Now they're going to do it on 60 Minutes.

You know, they were doing a television show on Sunday on the issue of stagnation and everything grinding to a halt in the White House.

And the governor started calling it better.

The economic story.

Oh, by the way, that's the color they stripped of it now.

Yes, they did.

So they changed it.

They came around, they looked around, they wanted to get to George and myself and Henry.

and throw little squibs on it, and carry it.

It just went with the wind, I guess.

I was devastated, basically, fortunately, not the President, but it simply had been what most of us suspected, that Mitchell was new.

It sank, actually.

And it was very hard on Bob.

He didn't necessarily sink it, because he said he could have known.

Uh, it put in a major competition with Strawn.

And Strawn, I say, now I'm seeing an enemy.

Strawn goes and the enemy heals him, Bob.

Do you understand that?

Oh, yes.

I'm sure.

See, there's just a different attitude.

And, uh, Stammer's stuff is paying dividends.

Reeder took off a little early.

Pretty hard.

There's a report that we finished my meeting first of July.

I'll have a hearing on that, which is good.

We'll get off to Platinum and may not have a Tuesday and Wednesday.

So we have to deal with the pressure of the version of the visit that we have.

It's all right.

The later in the week, the better.

It's all right, Austin.

Good to have you.

It isn't too bad that, I think, maybe there is a two-section of that issue.

It's roughly the same amount of money.

And they're not going to pay a lot of money.

There's nothing wrong with it.

It's very decentralized.

I think, as a general rule, you should have the same amount of money as anybody that bought and went to the same amount of money.

Because I know that you're the president, the president I am.

And I know it's hard for people to think that we know all these people.

That's the way we operate.

People don't come to me and babble about things.

I can't go, there must be things going on I don't want to hear about right now.

You know, I work in a very tough shop.

Nobody's going to do anything to you this year.

They just don't.

They're going to have to.

These are the very big things they're working on.

They forget to set the tubes.

They're going to have to.

Nobody's going to have time to say, look, you're going to want to do this.

You're going to want to do this.

You've got to cut out these places.

You've got to.

I think we can all do this.

Yes, sir.

I will say.

Well, you read very well.

Why?

Save your time.

I need to get some guys on this aircraft down here.

I've got to get them back.

I've got 45 minutes for those squads.

You know, we'll keep them gussied up.

Yeah.

You know, everybody when you've done that to a bird, you know, he's been, since you had him on the plane, he has been 100%.

He's made a speech for me on the floor.

Great.

And it just takes a little, a little patting.

The wave of activity has become almost patting.

Just want criticism.

Stop that.

We've got the issues.

We're debating about the issue.

Now, George and company understand that they've really got to get down to work and come up with something.

Stop the Congress.

You've got labor working for you on this issue.

I think you've foreclosed a major confrontation on wages that have come out of several negotiations.

Responsibility for labor on wages.

You provide a basis now for a retail mean wage.

Wage?

No, I think you did the right thing.

Well, at least the miners, we, we at least got it in.

What did you say, no back setters, no moves around?

No, Dan Radler did this morning.

You know, he is a real chef.

He just came out and he said, new people, new faces, new activity, a new sphere of openness and cooperation among the scientific community.

It was very clear.

Very helpful from that pastor.

Now they're going to do it on 60 Minutes.

You know, they were doing a television show Sunday on the issue of stagnation and

I mean, he grinded into a halt in the White House when he was governor.

That's what they called him, by the way.

The economic story.

Oh, by the way.

He's still governor now.

Yes, I know.

So he changed it.

He came around.

He looked around.

He wanted to get George and myself and Henry, our little squibs on activity.

Just what we're doing, I guess.

That's what he said to him, yeah.

I would never say basically unfortunate about the president, but it simply invented what most of us suspected.

But it simply invented what most of us suspected.

That Mitchell was new.

It didn't necessarily sink him because he said he could have known.

It didn't necessarily sink him because...

Uh, it put in a major confrontation with Stalin.

And Stalin, I say, he said he couldn't help sitting in the interview.

Uh, it put in a major confrontation with Stalin.

Stalin goes to the interview, he goes to St. Bob's.

Do you understand that?

I'm sure.

And Stalin, I say, I'm sitting in the interview.

Stalin goes to the interview, he goes to St. Bob's.

and uh stainless stuff that's paying dividends the reasoner took off on the early pretty hard there's just a different yourself to do it there's a report that will be finished by me first of july i'm hearing on that which is good we'll get off and it may not have to

Stainless stuff that's paid dividends or even took off on Wednesday.

So we have to deal with the pressure of the original visit.

It's all right.

The later in the week, the better.

It's all right.

First of all, I haven't had a hearing on that, which is good.

It isn't too bad.

No, no, I think maybe there is some sense to it.

I mean, I had a Tuesday and Wednesday, so maybe, you know, the pressure of raising a visit.

I don't know.

I know it's hard for people to know all this.

It isn't too bad.

No.

I think maybe we're in the way of the opportunity.

People don't come to me and babble about men trying to tackle it.

There must be things going on I don't want to talk about right now, you know.

I've already sent people on this trip.

It's a very tough job.

Nobody's been proud of me today, you know.

I say it on the tail, but I'm not going to do it.

They just don't.

It's a very big thing they're working on.

They forget to set the tubes, the gears, the cars.

It's a very centralizing thing, I think.

As a general rule, we're going to throw everything on top and say, look, you're going to water me.

I'm telling you, I'm going to water you.

You've got to cover up these windows.

Good job.

Thank you.

I dare you, you're the president, the president I am.

And it's a, I know, it's hard for people in this government to say, is it alright for you to read this?

Yes, sir.

I, I will say... You might impress the college by not reading all of it.

That's the way we operate.

Well, you, you read very well.

Why?

He's just saving my time.

Save your time.

I need to do this.

I don't want to be in a battle about that kind of capital.

There must be things going on.

I don't want that about right now.

You know?

I don't want this aircraft down here.

I've got it in the back.

It's got 45 minutes for those squads.

You know, we'll keep them guessing that.

Yeah, we're in a very tough shot.

Nobody's going to do anything to you this way.

We just don't.

It's going to happen.

You know, everybody when you've done that to that bird, you know, he's pretty, since you had him on the plane, he has been warm 100%.

He's one of the biggest creatures for me.

Very big things they're working on.

They forget to set the tubes in the air in the dark or in the paint.

We've had that a couple of times before.

Great.

And it just takes a little, a little, a little time.

You've got to say, look, you've got to water it.

You've got to water it.

You've got to cut it up.

You've got to do it.

Yes, sir.

I was saying.

Well, you read very well.

What?

Save your time.

I need you to get some guys on this aircraft down here.

I've got to get them back.

I've got 45 minutes for those squads.

You know, you keep them guessing, don't you?

Yeah.

You know, everybody when you've done that to that bird, you know, he's been, since you had him on the plane, he has been warm 100%.

He's, well, made a speech for me on the floor.

Yeah, great.

And it just takes a little, little patting.