{"conversationCode":"943-005","tapeNumber":943,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-943-005","startDateTime":"1973-06-18T14:35:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-18T14:40:00.000Z","startDate":"18-Jun-1973","startTime":"10:35 AM","endDate":"18-Jun-1973","endTime":"10:40 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.; [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On June 18, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:35 am to 10:40 am. 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(“Bob”) Haldeman\n     -White House statement\n     -David R. Gergen\n           -Raymond K. Price\n     -June 18, 1973 Washington Post story\n           -Ronald L. Ziegler\n\nPresident’s schedule\n      -Leonid I .Brezhnev visit\n            -Signing of agreements\n                  -Schedule\n                        -Economic agreements\n                        -Sequoia\n\nWatergate\n     -Dean\n           -White House response\n                 -Colson\n                 -Ziegler’s views\n                 -Buzhardt, Charles Allen Wright\n           -Haldeman’s possible testimony\n           -$12,000\n                 -Colson\n           -Possible Larceny of $4,000\n           -Fred D. Thompson\n           -Colson\n                 -Buzhardt’s view\n     -Story concerning President’s role in break-in\n     -Internal Revenue Service [IRS] audits\n           -Lawrence F. O’Brien\n           -$200,000\n           -George P. Shultz\n     -Dean\n           -Forthcoming Ervin Committee testimony\n                 -Buzhardt’s view\n                 -Thompson\n\f                                            -17-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                               Conversation No. 943-5 (cont’d)\n\n                       -Edward J. Gurney\n\nAn unknown man entered at an unknown time after 10:35 am.\n\n     Brezhnev visit\n          -Weather delays\n\nThe unknown man left at an unknown time before 10:40 am.\n\n     Brezhnev visit\n\nHaig left at an unknown time before 10:40 am.","filename":["943-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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They evaluated potential legal and political risks, including reports of financial irregularities involving Charles Colson and concerns regarding IRS audits of Lawrence O'Brien. 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