{"conversationCode":"948-007","tapeNumber":948,"conversationNumber":7,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-948-007","startDateTime":"1973-07-11T16:09:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-07-11T16:17:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Jul-1973","startTime":"12:09 PM","endDate":"11-Jul-1973","endTime":"12:17 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Humphrey, Hubert H.; Ford, Gerald R.; Hanson, Arthur B.; Timmons, William E.; White House photographer; Members of the press;","description":"On July 11, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Hubert H. Humphrey, Gerald R. Ford, Arthur B. Hanson, William E. Timmons, White House photographer, and members of the press met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:09 pm to 12:17 pm. 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(“Buck”) Humphrey\n                             -Williamsburg furniture\n\n       [General conversation]\n\n       Presentation of medallion to President\n              -[United States Capitol Historical Society]\n              -Design of medal\n                      -Capitol Building\n                      -George Washington laying cornerstone\n                      -“1776”\n              -Cost of medal\n\n       [General conversation]\n\n       [Photo session]\n\n       Spiro T. Agnew [?]\n\n       Humphrey\n            -Vice presidency\n\n       Unknown man\n\f                                      -13-\n\n            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                     Conversation No. 948-7 (cont’d)\n\nUS Bicentennial\n      -Legislation\n      -Need for celebration\n      -City Tavern replica in Philadelphia\n             -Terms of lease\n             -Marine Corps War Memorial Foundation\n             -Location\n             -Cost\n             -Gen. Robert E. Cushman, Jr.\n\nPresentation of gifts by President\n       -Oval Office flags\n       -Gifts to wives\n       -Golf balls [?]\n               -Humphrey’s schedule\n                       -University of Minnesota\n\nHumphrey’s schedule\n     -Williams Scholarship Fund\n\nFootball\n       -Minnesota versus Michigan\n       -University of Minnesota team [?]\n              -Legislation\n       -University of Southern California\n              -Law School\n              -Rankings\n       -Nebraska\n       -Rose Bowl\n              -University of Southern California, Nebraska\n              -University of Southern California\n                      -Previous Rose Bowl victory over Ohio State\n                             -Woody Hayes\n              -Nebraska\n                      -Previous Rose Bowl victory over Notre Dame\n       -Washington Redskins\n\f                                               -14-\n\n                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                              Conversation No. 948-7 (cont’d)\n\n                     -George E. Allen\n                              -Upcoming season\n                              -Mark Mosely\n                              -Ken Houston\n                                    -Trade for Mack Allston and others\n               -Minnesota Vikings\n                     -[First name unknown] Bloomberg [?]\n                     -Mascot\n\n       US Marine Corps\n\n       Leave-taking\n\nHumphrey, et. al., left at 12:17 pm.","filename":["948-007.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Humphrey, Hubert H.","Ford, Gerald R.","Hanson, Arthur B.","Timmons, William E.","White House photographer","Members of the press"],"prevCode":"948-006","nextCode":"948-008","transcript":[{"start":3.19,"end":4.33,"text":"All right."},{"start":4.61,"end":7.46,"text":"All right."},{"start":19.52,"end":21.58,"text":"Well, you heard the big shots today."},{"start":21.88,"end":22.18,"text":"I know."},{"start":22.2,"end":23.3,"text":"That's right."},{"start":23.34,"end":28.23,"text":"The president and senator was admiring the new cabinet table."},{"start":28.29,"end":30.05,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":30.13,"end":37.37,"text":"He said he hopes that his wife doesn't see it."},{"start":37.66,"end":40.12,"text":"I think we're right."},{"start":46.05,"end":62,"text":"That's why I said my heart is that Williamsburg, she's so crazy about Williamsburg, right?"},{"start":62.16,"end":66.84,"text":"She made a lot of minutes."},{"start":66.96,"end":69.82,"text":"That's right."},{"start":69.88,"end":72.34,"text":"That's right."},{"start":76.02,"end":80.64,"text":"Well, I'm doing this to ask the rest of my friends, friends of ours in Europe and Asia, and this is one of my, I don't know if you're kind of told, but this is an artist who did a lot of medicine."},{"start":80.66,"end":82.62,"text":"I don't know how to explain it, but this is something I'm doing to our audience for you."},{"start":96.25,"end":97.61,"text":"And we are presenting to you this medal of W.O.S.S."},{"start":97.64,"end":100.04,"text":"I'm going to put this here to show us the capital on one side."},{"start":100.06,"end":101.52,"text":"So George Washington laid forth the name W.O.S.S."},{"start":101.54,"end":102.32,"text":"on the other."},{"start":102.34,"end":102.92,"text":"That's the number 1777."},{"start":117.72,"end":122.28,"text":"Gary and I were, uh, presented with a medal in my conference, uh, and he had the best swing, and said, it's 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right."},{"start":246.7,"end":253.92,"text":"And he just picked that up when he was a member of Congress."},{"start":253.98,"end":260.66,"text":"We only have three and a half years, but two and a half."},{"start":261.58,"end":262.1,"text":"That's right."},{"start":262.12,"end":264.34,"text":"The year begins in January of 76."},{"start":264.66,"end":268.37,"text":"Well, we've got to have some kind of celebration."},{"start":268.41,"end":287.14,"text":"What I have to say is that, Mr. President, both of you gentlemen, is that with my Marine Corps hat on, we have just signed a 50-year lease for a dollar a year for the city of Philadelphia, and we're going to, through the Marine Corps Memorial Foundation, build a replica of Cunt Tavern."},{"start":288.53,"end":294.05,"text":"And we're going to put it up there right near the centennial buildings and right near Independence Hall."},{"start":294.09,"end":296.43,"text":"And we've got the land that's all 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kind."},{"start":364.52,"end":369.55,"text":"Oh, you're a Russian now."},{"start":369.67,"end":371.77,"text":"I don't play very much, really."},{"start":372.01,"end":373.69,"text":"This is the Wiggins."},{"start":373.81,"end":376.11,"text":"They've got a Wiggins scholarship."},{"start":376.65,"end":378.57,"text":"They get all those blokes up who can't play."},{"start":379.89,"end":390.16,"text":"Yeah, this is the athlete's scholarship to the University of Minnesota."},{"start":390.4,"end":391.88,"text":"Oh, Melissa!"},{"start":391.96,"end":392.87,"text":"Melissa!"},{"start":399.93,"end":400.59,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":400.69,"end":401.13,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":415.42,"end":418,"text":"We've got to get a football team."},{"start":418.26,"end":420.96,"text":"I said, you're having trouble with the legislature."},{"start":420.99,"end":425.11,"text":"He said, where are we trying to develop a high-quality university?"},{"start":425.13,"end":427.21,"text":"I said, by God, get a football team."},{"start":427.25,"end":432.25,"text":"Well, I have to say, University of Southern California, that's a great school."},{"start":434.1,"end":436.4,"text":"It's a great law school."},{"start":436.66,"end":437.46,"text":"They're number one."},{"start":437.68,"end":439.52,"text":"Nebraska's a great university."},{"start":439.86,"end":440.6,"text":"You can have both."},{"start":442.5,"end":449.51,"text":"And that's not our first idea."},{"start":449.57,"end":452.13,"text":"We had to take that off."},{"start":452.19,"end":458.62,"text":"Even though we took it off, I agree with you, they lost a couple of games."},{"start":458.74,"end":462.08,"text":"But at the end of the year, they played on that ball."},{"start":462.64,"end":466.78,"text":"For real, the two best teams were Nebraska and Southern California."},{"start":466.96,"end":475.91,"text":"Nebraska was big enough to have the USC, the kind of... 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