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You just can't imagine it.

It looks like what the Midwest and Texas used to look like.

Great, great, thousands, millions, acres.

Remember what they were doing then?

All they need are roads and refrigeration.

By God, that place will look a little like a road.

But your Latin America today sounds American.

That's true.

And most of them were poor.

People said, well, that's very controlled.

Actually, the studies that I have looked at in June, that proper use of oil islands, that even have about half the efficiency of the American environment, they can support 600 million people from outside.

600 million people.

I'm sure that, I'm sure that most of you, from water, from Latin America, all over the world, that what this world needs, virgin water and anything else,

The United States is our expertise in agriculture.

We're just darn good at it.

And the others aren't.

And the damn Russians use our system.

They do a lot better, too.

Of course, we've got so many people.

On the industrial side, I think it's all a bunch of problems.

And also it came at a time that we caught this tremendous

So as a result it was actually phase three was the right thing to do.

It was a way out.

And we had to turn it out.

The goal must be, if we can feel it politically, if we can feel it politically, the goal must be to get out of the controls just as soon as we possibly can.

But I think during the time that you have the program, you really have a golden opportunity to go to the Pittsburgh, go to the Des Moines, go to the Illinois and talk to these corn farmers and say, we've had the program, so let me tell you why.

And just give them a few very simple facts.

But I'm going to turn them loose.

I'm going to turn them all loose.

Because you've got to feed us and you've got to feed the world.

and just say, I'm going to get this Congress, and we're going to turn this, and do the same thing with a lot of soft people.

But you've got time during this phase-out period where you can really educate American people that I can get them on their side, where if we have to spend a few high-income prices, they don't have to.

Because they know it's not all going out, that they're accomplishing something.

If they feel like that paying high-income prices

is helping to pay off our God's penance.

And it's because of bringing those to Japan and to China and to Russia and elsewhere.

They're not going to view it in the sense that they're being deprived for the benefit of somebody else.

They'll view it in the sense that, well, we're sending something.

We've got to send something to get knowledge.

to strengthen the knowledge, to improve our balance of payments, to improve the basis for this country.

And it has to be put to a whole lot of that.

It's not that this year made a simple choice between an American and a Russian .

That's important.

What you're saying is, let's tighten our belts a little bit so we can sell some of this stuff to get some dollars back in here and some hard currencies back in here in order we can build a stronger foundation for this whole economy and for the United States dollar.

I'm tired of seeing it kicked around in every state in the nation's market and in the world every day.

And it has to be just that plainly said.

He said, I want the factories in Paris, Missouri, Geneva, and Bonn to run the dollar down every day.

And I want to make it so strong they keep touching it.

And the only way we can do it is sell things.

And that means if we sell them, you can't get them all.

We've got to have something to sell.

And yet we have to pay a little bit more for meat, simply because we're selling meat and we're selling grain.

We're not giving it away, we're getting something for it.

We sure are.

You bet.

We sure are.

A lot of times, this is good for us.

This coal doesn't take that great deal from Russia.

But it does not start for two years.

But it has to be five years.

Five years, just to be sure that they deal with it.

Well, basically what you're doing is a struggle.

Really, here's what's behind me.

Here's why you need to do yourself.

There's lots of advantages.

But for the first time in your lifetime, in my lifetime, you're going to see the unprecedented prospect of prosperity on the planet.

And in the South.

And in the Midwest.

And in the West.

Because that's basically the great basket of this nation.

the livestock center of this nation and for the first time now they really they really can get prosperous if we can if we can keep such a green one thing or another of the nation this is all southeast with all their peanuts and their soybeans and their corn and their cattle this is all of the southwest this is texas oklahoma louisiana with their soybeans

This is the best part, this is the best part.

This is all of the Midwest, and the bottom of all of the West, and all of the West, because the cattle market is still around.

The main train is out on the moon.

One of the major agricultural markets.

They've all got its largest stockpile in the country.

So what you've just got to say to them is let these people prosper.

This is why agriculture is important to them.

It has economic importance, it has political importance.

If you go and spell this idea,

Because you tend to weld the southeast, the southwest, the midwest, and the west.

Because that's the backbone of the real strength and prosperity of that country.

And you're about to see it in an unprecedented way.

We've never sold cattle for $0.55.

Never is it $0.55.

I sold a bunch of heifers last night.

And it's higher net for lighter weights.

I sold a bunch of heifers last night at the pens

Without any strength, no haulage, no yardage, no commission, for 55 cents a pound.

Well, this is a weaned calf.

Well, she came right off her menu.

She hadn't had any grass feed and no grain feed.

She came right off her menu, weighed about 500 pounds.

Well, she bought 55 cents.

Now somebody will take her to a feedlot, right?

Well, this particular fellow won't, but normally they do.

Yes, they normally take her to a feedlot and feed them up.

And they'll feed a half of her up until she weighs 750 and 800.

Well, listen, it'll be so, I don't know, even a good half, she's going to keep them and grow them out and use them for, oh, mother cattle.

Oh, maybe they'd walk out.

Right.

Use them as mother cattle.

But they'd walk them into the market.

Because I might have recently paid him $65 because he sat there at the market ten days ago when I was there.

And we sold him on the market through the auction range for that much money.

Now that means a weaned cash right off his bank.

It brought over $250.

And we've never done that in our lives.

Never.

And I try to be fair about it.

And I like it.

because our cost is going to be hell.

But nevertheless, we're getting the highest prices we ever got.

We're doing pretty well.

We're doing exceedingly well.

And when you said, when you said corn at $2, they're doing exceedingly well.

They really are.

Well, Mr. President, you're telling me right now there's 94 bushels there.

Well, it may be an easy figure, but let's assume it's at $202 a bushel.

Let's just say it's 90 bushels per acre.

That's a $180 acre yield.

Now, there's no way he can have over $75 an acre of corn.

That's what he's fertilizing everything.

So he's making probably that much, $180.

He's making $100 an acre net.

Now, wheat's the same.

Now, so all I'm saying, Vicki, is that, yes, butts is right, but 60 days, if you want to go that way, it's not going to be disastrous on these people.

Now, export controls, we just don't want to have them, simply because of the reasons you know about that.

But we need to sell that grain.

Right, right.

But you keep those, Torrey.

I keep them until this crop's in, just to give you that protection.

Give you that political protection.

We think the crops are going to be good.

That's right.

We think the crops are going to be good.

That was low.

That wasn't as low as they made out.

No, it isn't low.

It's high, as a matter of fact.

It's above last year.

Last year was an enormous year, and it was enormously above the year before.

But they estimated 6 billion bushels.

6 billion to 6.2 billion.

Well, the figure came in at 5.9 billion.

Well, that's 100 million short.

But even at that figure, that's going to be about 300 million bushels more than we had last year.

So we've got a crop, baby, we've got the biggest crop ever in the history of the United States.

Now, it isn't just quite as big as we would like, or quite as big as we'd hope for, but God, everybody's grumpy.

Well, you know, when you grow up that figure, it's not a lot for me.

No, that's not what he said.

No, he said that.

Now, the reason he said that was because he didn't plan on the Council of Economic Advisers.

He said, well, if the forecast comes out between 6.3 billion and 6.2 billion, we clearly ought not to have export control.

If it comes out 5.8 billion,

And that means we all have controls.

No, you can't do that.

Well, so it comes out in the middle.

What?

Now that's where John Doe got that.

Well, I mean, he got good, but he's less than the $6 billion one.

You can't figure that out.

In the first place, they underestimated the problem.

This is what the President was trying to say.

They underestimated the problem last year on July 1st by $500 billion.

Now, if they make the same mistake this year, it will produce not $5 billion to $9 billion, but $6 billion forward.

I don't know that they'll do that, but too much depends on the weather and insects and storms and everything else.

But the point is, no human being knows today, Mr. President, what it's going to be.

And all I'm saying to you is that I know corn is not bad.

I'm glad you should price it.

Dan and others have already said it.

They're watching the corn.

If the price is too high, if the supply is too short, they're going to put export controls on it.

So leave it at that.

You don't have to remain objective about that.

And hopefully we can ride it out to the end of the crop year, which would be November of 2020.

I think it's going to happen on the labor side.

You guys continue with your response.

We've had no surprise.

I'm amazed.

Yes, I think they are.

You know, I think maybe, you know, jobs, maybe that's what it is.

It's jobs.

It's satisfaction.

It's real income.

Remember something that you pointed out, that in spite of all this inflation last year,

And that means food, everything.

The average worker's real income, disposal income, after taxes and everything, what, a 4%?

Well, this great financial outcry about, you know, food prices, you know, 700 or 100, you know, Poland,

And of course, our efforts got hit very, very hard.

I didn't grow up, but a lot of them are also stimulated by it.

You take food.

I don't eat every day, do you?

No, of course you don't.

I mean, I really didn't grow up.

We used to have a roast on Sunday.

Or a chicken.

And the rest of the week we have bread and milk, or we have, what happened?

We had red beans.

Beans.

We ate beans.

We had a lot of tomatoes.

Tomato gravy.

I mean, things like that.

Right.

And we got very healthy on that trip.

But today we're just in a position.

We're going to increase the production.

A median would have increased.

Consumption would have been about 150 pounds.

As I said, an ice bench in this decade would have reached 150 pounds per capita consumption a year.

We need more.

So we've got a hell of a job in producing.

But it's there.

It's in the world.

And we can get more here, too.

What about the farming program?

Because I was throwing off on that.

I'd say that.

I'd say that to the country.

And just say, I'm signing it.

Because I don't have any real choice.

But I don't like it.

We ought not to pay any.

And I think we ought to do away with all of it.

Say that to Bill Boyd.

Say, I didn't want to turn it all loose.

I don't think we're going to lose it.

I think we've reached a point in time where we've had to have foreign programs to pass the code.

We have surpluses.

I thought the rest of the world and even the United States couldn't afford to buy what you do today.

We think you're going to have to do everything you can.

And I'm going to be free.

You're going to make more money.

You're going to do better in the free market than the law.

And that's where we're having these, you know, target prices and all that sort of thing.

All these people, a lot of work is based on fears.

That's right.

Fears that they'll go back to the 30s.

We're never going back to the 30s.

We're never going to go back to the 40s.

That's everything.

It's just people who've got to get, you know, they've got to think of the world.

They've got to grow.

They've got to know what's going on.

The people are what's going on.

Well, I'm going to say that because I feel that about farmers.

You know, I've supported parity and all that jazz.

Good God, I remember in 1968, while Huber was talking about 110% of parity, I was talking about 90 or 98 or something like that.

We were both wrong.

But we all tend to have these programs, and you never get rid of them, and you always try to justify them.

But we've outlived these farm programs, frankly.

And we just don't know how to handle it.

Let me give you an example.

This is, give me an example, right at the back of these farm programs.

And this is multiplied a million times over.

I've got 15,600 people.

I've basically always been in this farm program, soil conservation, trying to support soil conservation, so I made it.

I've got a green base, and I don't know a damn thing about it, but I've got one.

So, I planted high gear in this 50, no, it's a green, it's a small green.

A girl that's tall, a guy that's big, primarily chickens.

They love good chickens.

But I'm not into it, so I told her, be sure to combine it.

Well, my accountant said, well, you can't if you combine it.

He said, that finishes your acreage.

He said, we're training program.

He said, that's the nerve.

He said, you can't use it to make a lot of money.

And I said, well, okay.

I said, hell with it.

I said, let's do it anyway.

I said, well, it's a cost.

I said, well, you won't collect it.

We have to pay you back $982.

I said, okay, let's pay it back.

I said, I don't want to be in that program anyway.

I said, I'll not be getting any farm checks.

But here's a year 52 acreage that I've produced grain on.

And in effect, they're paying me not to produce it.

Right now.

And the rules are,

that I can't harvest that grain.

I can't graze that grain.

If I do, I lose the penguin.

Now, this is going on the right stage at a time when we've got export to the ocean on feedstuff for a program.

Well, it's a soil concentration.

It's a deferred migration program.

Now, they say, well, we released 40 people today.

Well, it may be the dead, but I don't know what the hell it is.

I didn't see any impact on our country.

But this is ridiculous, you see.

Now, I could have a maze on it just as easily.

Because I've got a maze, and I feel that they're coming, so if you get away, it's hard to get out of the spectrum.

But we're working across purposes.

This is my point.

And that program still exists this year at a time when we're crying for more production.

That's what we call it, soil conservation.

It's a deferred grain program.

It's the Department of Agriculture.

And it's just a grain program, and I think it's on the soil conservation person.

I mean, they're bigger.

It just doesn't fall down over them.

That's kind of what I'm talking about.

You notice that, I don't know, the FAR bill has an 80 cents, 80% parity for value.

I guess that's our model here, so perhaps that would make any sense.

Yeah, it's not, I don't know, you know, it's too much of an 80%, it's down to about 75, and I haven't talked to them in a long time, I haven't checked in, but I guess it's down to 75% parity.

Here again, here's the thing, they don't build me with it.

But these folks produce that milk.

They've got the co-ops now.

They're strong enough.

You see, you've got to price support on milk.

At a time when there was surplus in milk and when the farmers weren't organized and when you had tremendous milk for the school system

The guy helped to go overseas and every other thing.

But this is the hangover from the old days when you had a surplus of production of milk.

And therefore butter and cheese.

Now some of that still exists today.

That's one of the farm commodities where you still have some pressure from production.

A little market became...

But we liquidated about 400 million pounds of butter.

I don't think the Department of Agriculture has got any stockpile of butter at all.

If we get out of the Senate and market these things, we'd get rid of them.

And this is what the dairy farmers ought to be turning loose like everybody else, because these dairy co-ops now are strong enough, and they're well organized, and just like the Cubans, they can protect themselves, and they know what the demand's going to be pretty well.

They know better than anybody in the Department of Agriculture.

So you really ought to be able to hold a support price on dairy farmers.

But if you can't do that, and it's in the law, you probably can't do that, then I wouldn't argue.

I said what I have to say.

Well, it's all right.

I said what the deal is.

The deal is the second.

You know, we're a great God.

Carl Curtis, I mean, more and more of that kind.

I mean, we moved there from Curtis to Charleston.

The house was cleaned up considerably.

And the Pope told me that he came through the line in the impression of signing sacraments on Friday.

He was going to give you a good fire bill.

He's not a Pope.

He's it in the house.

There's no way I can beat you, Lamar.

I can't do it because we just need both of us.

You can't beat me.

Not all of them.

Well, it has to be.

They might not know you, but you've been just hurting an awful lot of good, very good friends.

Well, I didn't mean to do that.

Y'all are not good, so we'll take it.

And I didn't just, I didn't just get out and make you fight in the country to go away with it next time.

Go away with this sport for us.

But I was looking for that bill last year.

It's not that bad.

Let's just try to... Well, that's all right.

This is the whole bill I'm talking about.

Anyway, what we'll do, what I'll do is to, I think, cite it.

But then I think you'd indicate that we should be on a roll on how to get out of this thing.

It's a little overdone.

It's done.

On the farm.

It's done.

We have to do something.

One of the few things that will appeal to our eastern friends...

They've always stopped for wrong reasons.

The firemen are getting too much.

Now, right now, we're in a seller's market.

It's a seller's market.

It's all changed.

Well, I think we'll know what that is.

We'll...

You couldn't just whack it off.

You couldn't do that.

Because it would make what we had done a month ago look totally not terrible.

And it would dissipate a lot of addiction.

I mean, that labor mansion, they made it all clap.

And a few smart economists clapped.

A lot of the others were thirsty.

They were very stale.

And the people down there were terribly disturbed.

Apparently, certainly, because basically, the government is saying, you know, this real problem we've got in this country, real problem, we have to press ourselves to do this and go on and on, is the fact that the American people have been, you know, babied, led along, problem solved for them for so long that, uh,

And that includes a lot of business people with the Congress, as well as average people.

So we're sure that they are rather afraid to walk alone.

Now, fortunately, we are near the place that our European friends are.

They're French.

British, French, and German.

And you know, they've got a hell of a bigger question problem than we have.

And their labor rates are going up, I understand now, every 90 percent a year.

They're going to black out.

So they're going to have their problems in that competition, too.

But when I see it being finished, the Europeans are finished.

The Germans have still got some pizzazz.

The Japanese have.

And the Russians, the people have.

The Chinese, the people have.

But as far as people are concerned, people are dry.

We don't have enough of that in this country today.

Now, in this country, of course, they're everywhere.

But where they are the most, you can see, is that we have a space that's in the heartland.

There's still a lot of folks out there in the Midwest, in the South, in the far West.

We've got a lot of guns.

There's some out in the South and the East.

The eastern deteriorated a great deal because the eastern establishment is control minded.

The eastern establishment doesn't believe in people.

They don't believe in these qualities of these people.

I'm sure they do now.

The problem with leadership at the present time is to

Some of that.

And one of them, the iron base of this physical watergate thing, we lost about four months when we could have been doing it.

I mean, I could get out and make a goddamn speech, and everyone would be waiting to pay attention right there.

I got away till, uh, an hour and a half ago.

An hour and a half ago.

That's not as far as I can go, sir.

Well, the neighbor from there, too, was for this night's competition.

Sure.

Well, let me tell you about their plan.

I don't know, I mean, you know, I mean, uh, Lee Harrell, in fact, he came in very disturbed.

He didn't, you know, I don't know how he stands.

Believe it or not, he was out there all afraid.

And, uh, I think he had a little go of a joke, which, of course, rocked a lot of rockers, uh, quite a few years ago.

He was all afraid.

And Frank, by the way, was

after all, people, George MacArthur, and a few other guys, he says the plan that they had, they realized that they didn't make it, they're being popular and all that kind of thing, which is interesting.

They didn't think of that.

I think we can work over it more.

It started vaguely, but now,

clear out the truth, and they're going to investigate, because every campaign contribution was made, every contributor, so on, so on, so on.

And the best they think will be, not with embarrassment, but with distraction, they will be able to maintain the public interest and keep us from moving on.

They may have succeeded in that question.

I can't.

simply because the American people are already sickly and weak, and, and, strangely enough, tragically, uh, they can't succeed, largely because the American people don't have that degree of confidence in politicians to begin with.

They think they're all great, so that's where a high percentage of them, therefore, they're not interested in this.

They say, oh, well, that's even worse, that moves them.

They can't sustain it on that basis.

No one thing they will not have.

Of course, John, it's the big stars.

No, that's the thing.

If you see anything, it's going to be all of Earth.

It's going to be all of Earth.

Great number of people are going to care about some guy that gave a million dollars.

They're not going to give.

They may, they may, but what if they do?

The country's in hell.

You know, Johnny, the problem we have is this.

The problem we've got.

Don't even touch it.

We're all going to talk about the IRS and all the other things.

You know what we found on that so-called enemies list?

I'll be dead if I don't know.

I never heard of it.

Never saw it.

You never saw it.

I never heard of it.

God had people out there like DeVayne, your friend DeVayne, who's been in the White House.

I saw him the same way.

He spoke about you, of course, in his background.

He's a great supporter of our future.

He's in my country.

He's the greatest foreign policy in history.

My great-grandfather, he's a beautiful man.

I found him.

He called the enemy with us.

But anyway, there it was.

The president said, he says,

The question was really concerned me as to whether or not some person was done in a stupid way or caught over.

Here's a list of 200 people that are having a list and we want you to give a full field presentation to the IRS.

Now, that has been done in the past, you know.

I was investigated in 1960, about in 1962, unmercifully by Bobby Kennedy through the IRS.

And all of my shit will catch your attention.

I agree.

It will remain published by the IRS.

Pretty roughly.

I didn't realize this was a big book.

Oh, here it is.

Oh, I know this is a big book.

No, no, no.

Everything's on it.

Everything.

It's a rough deal.

Well, it's not a issue.

It's politics.

I don't know.

You know, we found it.

They had found the name on there.

They found the name of all the people.

In October, sent over some names to the IRS and said, we'd like you to look at these names.

This name is Dean.

So this guy apparently was in the district office.

I thought he was doing, you know, he was a little, you know, operator and all the rest of it.

Well, of course, the IRS didn't do one damn thing.

No, no, no.

The IRS didn't touch one thing.

They won't investigate.

The IRS has never investigated a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,

Yes, sir.

Who would investigate?

Yes, sir.

I don't know who did it.

Well.

And I never had found out.

But I know that's true.

You know, they're being investigated.

They can take a follow-up on this.

Like our, like our insurance.

They're most probably going to pull the field on it.

What?

They're doing it on baby credit.

Baby credit?

And then they do it on the doctor.

Do you remember?

Right.

Sure.

He's under a doctor.

Yeah.

Every day I wanted to keep touch.

Everybody was around us, man.

If we hadn't been in the force, we would have... That's what I'm talking about.

Well, so I heard that at this point.

And what our heads have been doing through, you know, this administration, I'd say, have both of them together.

Well, anyway, Walters turned out to be doing that.

There we are.

But here we are going after these people.

Well, I digress.

What I mean to say is that you're not a single real dealer.

You take capital off them.

Let me tell you a story about that.

I don't know if you saw, but there was a little story.

It's a long story, but it will happen in our own way, and so forth and so on.

First of all, they put out a story with regard to the property in San Clemente, to the fact that the president had a major dollars in campaign funds in that property.

We crushed the back of the total lock.

And we repeated this story over and over again, which is the truth, that I had, that my entrance was only at 4 1⁄2 acres, $340,000, that the balance was held by friends and trust, which they were hoping, because they didn't want anybody else to be up there.

They're bad at cursing.

The people put that up.

But the way it worked was I had a lot of that money to pay the 340 myself.

But the people who owned the property,

about a week and a half for a whole piece.

Wonder if he won the mortgage.

So back in the law, the law reminded me, reminded me, he paid for it all.

In fact, so I gave him the loan for it, and then I gave him off the number for an hour.

Now, that went on for the present time.

And I tell you, Mr. Chisholm, how vicious the press is.

That went on for the present time.

He holds the balance himself.

He's in his trust.

All of us.

And Avalon does no business with the government.

And I am going to pay the 8% interest on what I have.

That's what you're aware of.

You might start to have a chance to release it.

And then I want to do business with my assistant.

Well, it's 5% to 8%.

They say, who's the other one in the trust?

Must be somebody else.

And Avalon won't vote it out.

And I'm like, who the hell is in the trust?

Traboso.

Traboso put up, you know, because he wanted to, he liked Delaware, and he says, well, I'll take a piece of it.

So, two friends, neither of them has a damn bit of business with the government.

All for the balance of that property.

There isn't a network campaign on the Senate.

I mean, how else did the Los Angeles Times have a story to the effect that there was too much money in it?

What do you do about all that?

Well, that's not a big story, but I think that the, uh...

TSA, it's been a lot of money.

They had, you know, I didn't want to hear about the Secret Service.

It's just, you saw the fence around there.

They put a big fence around the damn place.

And they put in all sorts of communications equipment.

And they put up a, you know, they put up a thing that said, around the house, and so forth.

They put up five of the things, you know, the watchtower and so forth and so on.

And it cost me a whole lot of money.

They didn't save a part of it.

So under the freedom of information, this speaker's got that out.

So everybody's screaming, I got the secret mission.

Our good friend, Tom C., who was a great critic, came before his committee.

He said, I approve where you've been going.

He said, one president's been shot, and the other president's been killed.

And we need this kind of protection, secret service assistance.

Just to give you an idea, not to give you some justification, to give you an idea,

They say that they don't have that damn fence.

They would have to have at least 100 Secret Service in order to provide any protection there.

And also, it gives you an idea that it does pose a problem.

The railroad tracks, I mean, one week before Russia and I were there, there were 50 wetbacks come up the railroad track.

We were on the bottom of a parking sub-property.

Quick.

The Secret Service had to get along.

Now, what in the name of God do you do in such a situation?

You can't answer.

You'll say, no, I'm honest.

I didn't steal the money.

Nobody believes that I did, I don't think.

But it's that kind of stuff, you know, that you're going to hide.

I have no answer to it all.

They say, well, put out the fact that you need to have it.

What do you do in such a time?

You know, the other thing is, which, of course, I won't do either.

They say, well, get out.

The fact is how much the air is dribbling, John, is as far as it comes.

I'll be damned if I will.

It's a perfect department.

They need advice on how to get in there.

got a lot of money so that they built on these ranks the air strip and the houses and the station stations and the communications it all cost a fortune but so far it did cost a fortune it was very well the difference though is that apparently the expensive statuettes there are so well hidden hidden away from us that's right and as a matter of fact I didn't have nobody to defend me a lot of times

Is that all right with you?

And take Eisenhardt's farm.

You've been there.

The question, when I got home, I thought, wow, they've got them all over the place.

But the point is, and I'm sure that I asked for it, but the point is that everywhere has been a thing done.

I checked on Eisenhardt's farm, on Johnson's place, or at the places that I had, my agency of state, that was ordered by the Secret Service

I couldn't think of anything to do with it.

God can disable some place.

I don't like a fence.

I prefer not to have a fence.

You know?

There's a problem.

Well, I just don't know what you can treat me in one of these days from now, and you will be this tall next spring when you make the speeches at some of your...

I don't know where they think I stole all this money from.

You know what I mean?

Exactly.

But just saying, this is, this is how an actual suicide escape goes up.

But I can use it somewhere just to not move on.

Just hit it that way.

Do it in his feet somewhere.

It's the same ability that you see, Sean.

It's the same ability that you do to all of our friends.

Oh, it'll kill us all.

They're going to try.

I don't know how to stop it.

The best way to do it is to struggle with the attack.

But you can't do that now.

Well, I don't let me hurt you what I intend.

I intend not to say a damn thing about R.D.

until I finish, until Paul is gone.

And I will have something to say about it.

But I'm not going to address it to him directly.

I'm going to lay out a few things.

I don't believe in being.

I'm not going to wring my hands.

I mean, you know that's just terrible.

But I will address it properly.

I will.

Then, I'm never going to revert to it again, but then from then on, the fight is done.

How the hell do we handle this?

This, frankly, persecution of our people.

Let me tell you about that in a moment.

This will interest you.

You know what his company is.

He makes the best vows in the world.

I think there's a man over there.

But what happens in a late 17th century, there's Jews, and you might have guessed it, doesn't mean that somebody has a house right now, because there's Jews in the yard.

Because that one all had a total market, or 8% of the market.

And because, and he doesn't have any money.

But he makes the best bell at the cheapest price.

who tried to bring a panic press suit against him because he was convicted, basically.

In other words, he had the mark.

The Justice Department just threw it out of my hand.

I never heard about it.

Nassimol never told me.

I'd imagine his lawyer didn't bother him with it too much.

And then a huge congressman

The other day, in the house, it's up and says the next administration killed an anti-crust case against Anaheim.

What?

Thank God you didn't know that.

Really?

Isn't that something?

Sure is.

And the man, you see, it's just a bad man.

It's a bad man.

I assure you, you know old men.

You know how they are.

And all the time, I don't know if they've ever asked or won, but many of them refuse to ride the damn plane outside of the city.

You know, there are men like that in the city.

The only way you can protect a friend like that and protect other friends is to begin at some point.

You can do it now, but this fall we'll get out and make some of these appearances, which I hope we do.

I hope that you just say, now it's fine.

If they want to attack me, that's fine.

But frankly, I get fed up with taking out their other friend.

I always say, leave them alone.

They've got the right to citizens too, and I just say it.

And I just think you have to meet these things, and if you can't do anything else, you can at least build sympathy for Applebop.

And just think this, because you have to speak.

My friend's going to sign me.

I ought to have to be exposed to the crudeness of this type of census.

And I think you get a hell of an applause.

You get it from your crowd.

You get a tremendous reception.

And it'll stop these damn people.

It'll make them a little more cautious the next time.

And at least you build up something to be practical about it.

Or maybe revulsion.

And I'd call them up and say, what have they done?

They've asked us.

They've got us.

They've just been a friend to me.

Now, he's not a crime.

He's not a bad crime.

You take me, you know, what a terrible thing he is.

You know, he has raised money and had the person fall off through the stands and through a friend who was huge.

He got the contribution of 70, which would have been well reported to 100,000 Hughes, Hughes Company and so forth.

But when Hughes began to have troubles and so forth, he thought it would be embarrassing if he didn't have any.

He just wouldn't turn it over and so forth.

And he turned it back.

He turned back the whole time and said, let me show you how clean it is.

Well, let me tell you about that.

It was $100,000.

He thought he had never touched it.

But some say that some of the light she was over, and he thought they were moving, but they didn't actually move any light.

He asked her, did you ever come by the curbs and turn back?

But they asked him.

He walked out.

He said, since you've come over, it's enough.

I got him, and he went to the safe and he lost his mind.

I got the bad one out.

I got him back, you know what I mean?

I got him.

It was $100,000.

$100,000.

In other words, you guys get an extra $100,000.

Wow.

At every bill, you have to touch it.

Can you imagine a master doing that?

It's that kind of, like, that's how they had to lean away.

We earned all the money we could have gotten.

I mean, to be honest, we didn't have some good intentions.

I think that we had bad intentions.

We should have gone after some of these people.

We should have.

Sam raised $48 million.

But good God, MacArthur raised $34 million.

Now, where the hell did that come from?

I wish I had some of the people who gave that or not, but I'll save very long.

I had to at least try to get a business people for the most part.

But, oh, that's not.

But it does show you what the problem is.

But if I realize that it's not going to be not seen, I mean, once this Watergate thing is over, I am going to go on.

We're going to do this business in Wisconsin.

Let me tell you what the advantage of this program is, you can get out.

Just getting this buggy, you see, the one thing that we're going to have to do now in this country, we're going to have to openly talk about these contributions.

And you're going to have to, you're going to have to buy humor, you're going to have to

sarcasm, you don't have to take this press on to dig into all these people, these frenzied people who contribute, because we're going to run into great danger here.

Congress is going to magnify it by drawing up contributions from anybody with any money.

And they're going to try to run everybody out of public life that has any sense of decency or honesty about anybody that's got any sense.

Now, they're going to try to run that.

They're going to try to make it so that

It's so unpleasant.

As a matter of fact, John, some of our contributors, you know, I don't want to want some of that in charge.

I just give it back.

Why?

I want to do it.

I said, now, we don't want to get a $4 million.

I said, what is it?

Give it back.

I don't want the damn money.

I'd give it back.

I'd buy the money and give it back.

Sure.

But that's really the problem.

If people were that concerned about it,

These are all decent people.

That's right.

It's a blue ribbon.

That's what it used to do.

You were kind of uncomfortable.

Remember, these are wonderful people.

Apart from that, the problem is that if the decent people, let's be frank, if the business people, if they can't support their candidates without being persecuted and made to look very much gross, because God, I mean, it's just unbelievable misery.

Well, the only thing that I know to do is perhaps encourage people to give money and say hello and just make it by the public record and say, sure, I'll give you $10,000.

Yes, I'll give you $50,000.

I wish I had more.

I'd have given you more.

And I don't think it's going to have to be that old.

Because they're going to try to destroy everybody that gives money to them.

I've been running into it in the history.

Some of the fellas, fairly unspecificated, gave me some money.

God almighty, they went down there and hounded them and checked it on them and wanting their records to hold hell.

And they just did the boom IRS under our committee.

They contacted the committee.

And in the 20s, 79 more years, we got free.

And so anyway, I talked to him, and I get a guy like George Brown, who didn't make all that big of a contribution, but that's a burden to say, well, George got that in his name.

They tried to park him north to see if he had a big statement.

He had an excellent statement.

Of course, he's been through this language enough where he knows what to expect.

Once he found out that others are good, just others are good, and they've gotten in good shape, and they don't like that about us.

So God says, good work.

I'm just going to make sure you get your money straight.

I wish I could have done it twice.

And I said, that's better, because I'm talking to you.

But this is infomercial.

What's happening is the press knows this, and the press knows this, and the committee knows this, and they're trying to hound everybody and make them look like they're a bunch of crooks.

We're going to have a constant private time.

We don't need to do that with him.

But at the private time, if he continues this harassing of him, he ought to get an off year on his diet.

He hasn't been brought down here to conduct a damn investigation.

No.

He's down here for the purpose of conducting this prostitution.

Well, I was, uh, tell me about your, this is what I want to talk about, your, uh, your plans for the trip, Rob.

I don't have it set.

Uh, I thought it was a reference.

I'm saying I'm not going to pull a third one.

Oh.

And what I'd like to know is .

No.

And I could be gone in August and either go there or go somewhere else out here.

And I guess that's what we talked about, about the whole business of how to do business with these people.

I don't know what we can work out from that chapter.

I said, yes, there are some task forces.

that we are worried about the wrong Western, the wrong real science, and they think well of this idea, and we will pursue it.

I think you ought to go to Russia.

I think you ought to go to, and I think you ought to, it would be good to drop in, if you could, to Romania.

Oh, that's a lot.

I hear you almost.

I don't know.

I don't know what to do.

What do I do in that case?

What do you do in regards to that initial situation?

What do you have in mind?

You've been there a lot.

I don't know.

I don't think I need to go there right now.

Probably I'll not go there without some purpose.

I had planned to go.

One, we're going to take this long 70-day trip just because it's on the way.

It could blend in very nicely.

Now it all has to be a special trip perhaps for Doug, which I don't think I ought to do.

I think the only trip now that I need to make is to Soviet Union.

And then, just for personal reasons, I want to later in the year go to China.

But as we discussed, I want to go to China before I go to Russia.

And you should do on the same trip.

No.

Let me handle that.

You should do Russia first, because Russia is best.

And then I think you should go to China.

And at that time, you should also do Japan.

But I think that would come maybe in November.

Well, I'm really looking forward to that.

Well, save yourself.

I used to tell a lot of people.

But save yourself a couple of weeks in November, probably later than I heard.

And that's it.

And then if you could, I think if you could get back, make yourselves, make some talks.

It's a paramount program.

What I plan to do, frankly, is to be out in the great field right after the campaign began.

That's what it is.

They require more.

But I'm getting at it at a cost.

I'm going to be speaking to all of you.

It's going to be approved constantly.

I'm going to be speaking in all of September.

I've got a bunch of meetings all over the country.

I'm going to Florida for a change right now.

I'm going to Kansas for Bob Dole and the Republican Committee there.

I'm going to Oklahoma.

I'm going to Arizona.

I'm going three times to California.

I'm going to Harvard.

I'm going to Illinois.

All the stuff that I really got a hell of a schedule for.

Ohio?

Not in Ohio yet, I don't think.

But you've got to get Ohio in.

I think you also, I've got a server in New York.

I think you ought to, I think you've got to get on in.

You ought to get Ohio in Pennsylvania.

Ohio and Pennsylvania are so basically, basically heartland states, you know, that you need to help the reception.

You know, if you go to Ohio, for example, the

Frank Dale in Cincinnati, or Jackie Rosenblum in Atlanta.

They put on a hell of a show over there.

They're good over there.

Or Preston Wolfe in Columbus.

That's a big deal.

That's good.

Well, I was planning to go home in August.

August is the best time.

And go to Russia and get that behind us.

And then the others would come along.

It's not anything I'd have to do.

I would hit Russia, but I didn't swear you were very nice.

I would hit a couple of Eastern European countries.

What I'd like to hold up would be good for whether the next...

I'm worried I'll have it wrong now, but I'd like to get out some kind of an announcement, tie it in with the planning period, at least, and go and read it on the law firm, but I'd have to

Well, what I was thinking, I was worried about it.

What I was thinking was maybe a week before you go, or two weeks, or whatever you want, let's just work out that you're going to take this trip and that you're going to, and so forth and so on.

How would that make sense?

So that the announcement is not that you're regarding the law firm, the announcement is that you're going to take the privilege and you're going to take the various activities that we were speaking about and so forth.

I would like it to be an issue that you pass this speech I have tonight, which I will not be, not Tuesday, either Monday or Wednesday.

No, that's no problem.

You know, I'm not hurt.

You know, your idea, though, of making Jamaica safe, I saw today that that damn Nassau had become a country.

Yes, 200,000 people.

That's right.

They're going to ruin it.

Absolutely.

Is there anything we can do?

We ought to be moving.

Are there not?

Gosh, we ought to be moving.

You're the best thought to recommend something to people.

Well, if those 186,000 people are doing less than 200,000 people a day, then there's just no more odds.

That's right.

These beings are subjected to poverty forevermore.

And also, what they do, they go to the Navy, Air Force, Ambassador to the U.N., Ambassador to the United States, and others.

But that's ridiculous.

And also, the other thing they do, you know, is this.

The great tragedy is they drive the tourists away because they tax the hotels, they tax that mall that exists because it's a little far out.

They don't quite get out of the mall.

I think if you do, it would be good for you, it would be good for the country, it would be good for the dollar, it would be good for everybody.

And frankly, I think that's the only thing that's needed right now.

I think you have to wait until...

Water games are going to become increasingly less important.

You feel so.

No question about it.

And I don't say that because people are just circling with it.

Even though it's very exciting to see Mitchell on there and they tell him, well, all of it earlier than that would be funny.

I know, but the minute that's over, then people will have had that emotional experience.

Then they don't want it anymore.

You ask them, well, I don't know why they're interested in all these contributions.

You know, you can satiate people and get so much in there.

You can get so much chocolate cake or ice cream.

You can get so much of a campaign or sex or anything else.

You can get enough.

And they don't have enough.

They don't have enough anymore.

They're all in at that point.

How do you think about love?

John's going to be kind.

He's going to need encouragement to take on missions because this is his first experience in the federal government.

He's going to be very uncertain.

He's not constipated.

I tried rescuing him, driving him, so on and so on.

So he's underneath, encouraging him.

But he's sound, he's good, he's decent.

He's articulate.

I've got to give him all the encouragement.

But somebody's going to have to drive him.

I don't know.

I told him, I'll help.

He said he just wanted to visit with a shot.

He asked me if I could come up and visit with a shot.

Excellent.

And I told him, sure.

You're coming to that dinner anyway.

Yes, sir.

Thank you.

It's no big deal.

We appreciate it.

Hi, how are you?

How are you, sir?

Well, it looks like you were driving more on this morning.

Yeah, I was, yeah.

So, you know, in case I'm wrong, I'll knock this off.

It's really something.

I don't believe it.

Where was it?

Well, I wanted to get them all in.

So, do you have any information or so forth on that subject, uh,

You know, there really isn't any answer to this thing.

There really isn't any good answer to this thing, you know.

And, uh, I think that, uh, the American people have a lot more real estate to try to restart the world.

And this area, you know, we didn't have.

We stayed out of this.

And also, I think now, as distinguished from when we did this a month ago, we're in a stronger position in this room.

Just to knock it out and go through with it.

Well, you are, although I don't really think you can do that.

I don't really think you have to taper this thing off.

To taper it, yeah.

Well, I agree with that.

From what I had, I'm down in terms of our sharp and long-term objectives.

Well, I can get rid of the goddamn things.

Well, I think that's what we're going to have, John, is a feeling in this country that some of the government companies are going to control the price of food, particularly the food and so forth.

but we're not going to be in the middle of them and we shouldn't leave the people with that impression.

We shouldn't leave the people with the impression that probably they're going to come down.

They're not.

Uh, we hope they are.

We hope they grow some, if they will grow some, but we'll see.

We'll find out soon.

But do you think that we, uh, take the red meat?

You know, he's about sixty-eight.

He's too far.

He's about sixty-three long.

Well, I don't know what's wrong with him.

It is fine, but let me...

It's a way to taper off, and we're not hurting the wheat production that much.

And the farmer that I'm talking about, they're talking about beef, which I'm sure they're hurting much, but about pigs.

Oh, pigs.

All those decisions are made very fast.

Pigs are now, they said this morning, about $0.37, $0.40. $0.40.

In the last three years, I've seen pigs as low as 18.

Yeah.

Rose, will you tell, uh, Zemel there that I haven't made it with the Senators since 6 o'clock?

You know, I haven't made it since 7 o'clock.

Aye.

They'd like to wait in line, but if you're doing a little longer, they're not going to take any of the issues with me.

Aye.

I'm going to be in the library, and I'm going to be talking to 10 Senators.

All right.

Bye.

It's a fast-moving time.

When prices were up 28 to 30 cents, and this was before this last big push, this was three or four years ago, everybody wanted home production.

You get an oversupply, and you drop down to 18 cents.

And it's just, it's a hell of a cycle.

I mean, all of us like it.

But the 60 days is not going to be deceptive.

And I just think, and basically, first let me say to everybody that really missed it, and is for that package, essentially, and we all talked around about it, we were afraid when it was all over, you got the impression, that everybody was pretty much excited about what we really wanted.

Everybody was kicking it apart.

No one first agreed that everything needed $100,000.

What I was trying to do was

search out the facts to be sure that they weren't simply taking my own prejudices.

Well, honestly, a lot of people do that.

I know that.

I have to be very sure of this.

Now, Martha was the one who was taking the most exception to everything, but this is... That's Arthur.

That's Arthur.

And he's going to start against everybody, so they don't have to watch him.

So, unless you just buy his program, which I don't think you can do.

The program is not a bad program.

It's a good program.

I really think that you ought to look in terms of getting out of these controls for the first few years again.

You do?

Yes, you can.

Now that's five months.

Five and a half months.

You can certainly get out and under some of them before then.

You can exempt some industries before then.

And they can do that tomorrow.

Or they can move on the longer term.

He'll fight others.

They'll function on it.

If you have to go in the next unit, you do it.

But the only thing that I think the only American people is to do is to graduate this thing.

The principal thing that you acquire seems to be, as a result of gradually phasing it out, is that you maintain and re-accomplish.

You turn this thing loose.

without the 12th of August.

Just take it all on the chin.

Or the 12th of July.

Everybody would simply say, what have you done?

Everybody would say, well, we've got no fight against inflation.

Even those who are not now inflating their prices would tend to do so then.

But if you phased out,

you tend to encourage those who are really not in blazing their places.

You tend to keep them in line, you tend to keep everybody in line, except the worst offenders, and you've got them under control, and you gradually relax those controls so that you don't have any raging of psychology applied to the American people.

So that's the principle of managing blazing their places.

My only concern is that we may not be striking the others, and that I should face it out.

Well, you're not, are you?

But the good idea is that you've got to prove the decision, John.

Where does it affect supply next year?

We've got to be thinking hard about it.

You don't think it will?

No.

60 days is not going to affect supply next year.

Well, it wouldn't affect, uh, beef at all, would it?

No.

Should beef people make their decisions at all over two years?

Two years.

It takes nine months to conceive a calf.

If she stays on her mammy for another nine months, eight months, that's 17 months.

Then they normally go to grass for four to six months.

That's 21 months.

Then they go to feed life for 140 days.

That's another four months.

So you're talking about four to two years.

What about the boxes?

Well, there's a couple of facts here.

There's one fact here where they've got a bunch of private sidewalks now.

This may be, and obviously they're finding with corn prices what they are, and grain prices what they are, it's tough to feed out these homes to the right money.

I actually believe they do it at 40 cents.

I can't remember how much it's worth.

Forty cents, but it wasn't 40 cents a pound.

Forty cents a pound.

That's a hell of a price for a home.

Hell of a price.

That's the matter.

Yeah, yeah.

These hogs are fed by little feeders, by and large, in the corn belt.

That's where they market their feed.

They market it through that hog.

If the corn prices are $2, they'll feed that hog anyway.

They'll sell their corn.

Because it's easier.

By feeding hogs, you've got two ways to go.

If you're coin buyers and wheat buyers, it's not what you want it to be.

Then you feed it to your hogs, or you feed it to your cattle.

So then maybe meat prices are better than corn prices.

So they've got that flexibility.

Now, but if corn prices are $2, the damn corn farmers in my village are going to feed that corn mulch, even though they make a profit from it.

Well, let me ask you, Buck is a very decent artist, man.

So do you think that he simply represented a certain farm?

Well, I think that's right.

And surely he's honest and he's decent.

And he may believe that.

What you think would be wrong was that part of what we could really...

The real problem on the other side, as you say, is that this is...

Frankly, I've come down on the subject of the program myself.

I don't want to say it, but I don't know what you think we're thinking about.

But nevertheless, Dave Buck's...

He's really making...

making an argument there for, and of course, errors, maybe the legislative leaders making errors in several of the election candidates.

And so we had a difficult path.

But I think the problem, the real problem,

basically out of this great, big, darn country.

There are a lot of farmers.

Thank God.

And there are a lot of businessmen.

There are a lot of labor leaders and so forth.

But there are a hell of a lot more people that just consume.

And those consumers are for some kind of control.

That's the problem with society.

And if you could rip it off, they'd say, oh, boy, we're going home.

And I think he's asking for trouble.

I don't think 60 days is going to be that disastrous.

Now, my instinct and my every crush is to take it off the foodstuff.

You know that.

Yeah, I don't do it personally.

But frankly, I don't think you ought to at this point.

Now, Bud's is right.

He's got a lot in his heart.

You can't serve the industry.

The poultry industry.

Believe.

You remember what I was going to tell you about the price of eggs?

Yeah.

You remember 23 cents a dozen?

Yeah.

You remember that dollar?

Yeah.

Well, we weren't under price control.

It's a cyclical business.

And my neighbor was costing me 28 cents a dozen to produce those eggs in his breeder house with 6,000 hands.

And he was selling them for 23 cents a dozen.

So he's going broke.

Now, and Purina owns damn near all the chicken places in America now, but they're all into such a cyclical business.

They're overproducing, overproducing, overproducing.

You mean that they have to be average for the environment, for the chicken space, and so forth?

No.

Very, maybe for their own business.

That's all.

The big production is this huge, huge brother of ours.

It's 100,000 chickens.

It's 140,000.

500,000 chickens.

And they're there.

Oh, they're there.

60 days, my God.

Again, their own body and soul are Purina.

Purina feeds them.

They subsidize them.

They're feeding them.

And that's where they get it.

They stalk them.

What about the sergeant?

John Broderick's shirt is flying out because of a problem.

That's not right.

And for that matter, uh, uh, Ripley don't broilers, that's it.

Tree Pogs don't broilers ever.

Or Tree Pogs, they change their name.

That's not what they do.

It's because it's meat, it's no sign it's the same thing.

And if you need to, uh, uh, I don't know what that means, but I'm a bunch of the chickens.

Well, this isn't right.

I mean, they closed a bunch of poor packing houses, but let me tell you this, brother.

I don't know what the facts are in any case, but I'll bet you that if you dig into it, you'll find a little inefficient packing house.

It was on the market just about full growth.

But more than that, it was not a sanitary, it was not a packing house.

that had renovated and upgraded its facilities before it could meet the sanitary standards.

Now, a couple of years ago, the Congress passed a dang strict sanitary law with respect to packing houses.

And a lot of them got dismissed.

And a lot of them didn't ship.

I suspect that a lot of these fellows that are now closing these packing houses

We're going to close it anyway.

We're using it.

We're going to stay using it as we speak.

I don't know.

I can't prove it.

But I do know that what hit the packing industry was these little, big packing trucks all over the country.

Because a bunch of them closed in my part of the country.

But there's no reason why.

Cattle and chickens are two different things.

So if you want to move on chickens, that's fine.

Now, they both are in certain minds.

I think they're doing that.

They're moving on chickens.

They both consume water.

Well, they both consume mild maize.

They both consume grain.

But even so, you can justify it on the kettle.

Leave it on the kettle.

And I talk about that stuff.

I talk about that answer.

Because I could do it as soon as you could.

I'd leave them on through the end of this crop here until you can see.

what production for the factory is going to be.

They're going to have some iced coffee.

They're going to have some iced tea or coffee, if I can guess it.

They're going to have iced tea, too.

Yes, sir.

I wait until fall, late fall, to leave the controls on the jet.

And you've already taken a rep for it.

Whatever damage has been done, it's been done to the international fleet.

It was great damage.

It's not so much that an eye on the crop, as it is the fact that we have clearly demonstrated that if it comes to choice, it's going to be them and us, and it's going to be them first.

There's a question of whether or not we can supply the world.

That point of order is raising their minds.

I would think that you wait until the end of this crop year.

It's going to be a damn good crop.

I've told them to go out and do that business.

It would be disgusting if they still didn't.

These 40,000 union-makers are going to use every damn acre to re-initiate this market.

Well, every third of that's going to get re-initiated.

Yes, I think the truth.

As long as we live, there's going to be a demand for certain.

I mean, we can never produce.

No question about it.

And we're invested.

That's what the worst situation is about.

That's what you said this morning.

The only point you didn't make this morning was a theory.

But probably what you said is that the world is more prosperous.

And they can afford it by that time.

Or you know, you take something like Russia.

What is happening is that Russia has made a command decision.

They have a command decision to help the consumer, to help the Russian people who live over there in China.

Well, China hasn't made that decision yet, but they are moving from a very crumbling economy to

And it'll take years, or 15 perhaps, for them to be, uh, to move into any kind of an autonomy that's in there.

John, believe me, I think, demands those people are going to have everybody be trans.

Of course, how the hell are they going to pay for it?

It's something else.

They don't produce anything, either by protections or something.

But they want it.

They will.

Well, look at Taiwan, it does.

But anyway, there goes the whole food thing.

But what the answers in the world for the Chinese, of course, is yes to the United States.

It's another thing.

Correct.

You take Latin America, you know, I don't have a little service on Latin America.

You haven't made it to Brazil.

Brazil isn't you.

I don't have a little service on Latin America.

You haven't made it to Brazil.

Brazil isn't you.