{"conversationCode":"949-014","tapeNumber":949,"conversationNumber":14,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-949-014","startDateTime":"1973-07-13T00:22:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-07-13T00:44:00.000Z","startDate":"12-Jul-1973","startTime":"8:22 PM","endDate":"12-Jul-1973","endTime":"8:44 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Kissinger, Henry A.; [Unknown person(s)]; Haig, Alexander M., Jr.; Ziegler, Ronald L.; Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator;","description":"On July 12, 1973, Henry A. Kissinger, unknown person(s), Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Ronald L. Ziegler, President Richard M. Nixon, and White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:22 pm and 8:44 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 949-014 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 949-14\n\nDate: July 12, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 8:22 pm and 8:44 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nHenry A. Kissinger met with an unknown man.\n\n       President’s schedule\n              -Departure\n\nAlexander M. Haig, Jr. entered at an unknown time after 8:22 pm.\n\n       President’s health\n              -President’s schedule\n                      -Departure\n                             -Bethesda Naval Medical Center\n                             -Earlier trip\n                      -Zulfikar Ali Bhutto\n                             -Spiro T. Agnew, Kissinger\n                             -Thelma C. (“Pat”) (Ryan) Nixon\n                                     -Planning\n              -Announcement\n\nRonald L. Ziegler entered at an unknown time after 8:22 pm.\n\n       Announcement\n\f                                             -49-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 949-14 (cont’d)\n\n              -Timing\n              -Length\n              -President’s health\n\nZiegler left at an unknown time before 8:44 pm.\n\nThe President entered at an unknown time after 8:22 pm.\n\n       President’s health\n              -Rest\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator at 8:33 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 949-14A]\n\n[Begin telephone conversation]\n\n[See Conversation No. 41-68]\n\n[End telephone conversation]\n\n*****************************************************************\n[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]\n\n       President’s health\n              -Treatment\n\n[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]\n*****************************************************************\n\n       President’s schedule\n              -Bhutto’s state visit\n                      -Cancellation\n                      -Agnew\n                      -Rome\n\f                                             -50-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                              Conversation No. 949-14 (cont’d)\n\n                      -William P. Rogers\n                      -Compared to Congress members\n                      -President’s support\n                      -Delay\n                      -Agnew\n                      -Thelma C. (“Pat”) (Ryan) Nixon\n                      -Hospital\n                      -Cancellation\n                             -Humiliation\n                             -President’s support\n                      -Compared to Samuel J. Ervin, Jr.\n                      -Compared to John C. Stennis\n                      -Confrontation\n                             -Hospital\n                      -Cancellation\n              -Signature\n                      -Haig\n              -Staff and family\n              -Bhutto\n                      -Compared to Ervn\n                      -Kissinger’s forthcoming telephone call to Pakistani ambassador\n              -Hospital\n                      -Duration\n\nRonald L. Ziegler entered at an unknown time after 8:33 pm.\n\n       President’s health\n              -Announcement\n\nZiegler left at an unknown time before 8:44 pm.\n\n       President’s health\n              -Announcement\n                      -Dr. Walter Tkach’s diagnosis\n                      -Effect on American people\n              -President’s schedule\n                      -Effect on Ervin and Archibald Cox\n\f                                            -51-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 949-14 (cont’d)\n\n       Watergate\n             -President’s conversation with Ervin\n                     -Ervin’s goal\n                     -Leaks\n             -Ervin Committee\n                     -John N. Mitchell’s testimony\n                     -Richard A. Moore’s testimony\n                     -John W. Dean, III’s testimony\n                     -John D. Ehrlichman’s possible testimony\n             -Gordon C. Strachan\n                     -Possible Ervin Committee testimony\n                     -Immunity\n             -Effect\n\n       President’s meeting with Walter Scheel\n\n       President’s foreign policy accomplishments\n              -Year of Europe\n              -Summit\n              -Vietnam War\n\n       Watergate\n             -President’s opponents\n                    -Rowland Evans\n\n       President’s health\n              -Ziegler’s announcement\n              -White House press corps\n              -President’s schedule\n                      -Kissinger\n\n       Haig’s schedule\n\n       Ziegler’s location\n\nKissinger and Haig left at an unknown time before 8:44 pm.\n\f                                               -52-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 949-17 (cont’d)","filename":["949-014.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Kissinger, Henry A.","[Unknown person(s)]","Haig, Alexander M., Jr.","Ziegler, Ronald L.","Nixon, Richard M. 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