Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 20 › Conversation 020-086

Nixon phone call with Kissinger on Vietnam War and Peace negotiations

Wednesday, February 9, 1972 · 3:36 PM–3:38 PM ET · White House Telephone · 2 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.Conversation020-086 on Tape 20 (tape position 02:33:55–02:36:20)StartWednesday, February 9, 1972 at 3:36 PMEndWednesday, February 9, 1972 at 3:38 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 020-086 ↗ · National Archives Catalog, NAID 417192853 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discuss the need to clarify the administration's stance on peace negotiations in Vietnam, specifically regarding recent reports of U.S. "flexibility." Kissinger explains that Secretary of State William P. Rogers and press secretary Ronald Ziegler inadvertently sparked controversy by appearing to soften the U.S. position. The two agree to publicly emphasize that South Vietnamese President Nguyen Van Thieu's offer to resign was entirely his own initiative, thereby distancing the White House from the perception of making unauthorized concessions.

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NARA Description

On February 9, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger talked on the telephone from 3:36 pm to 3:38 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 020-086 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 20-86

Date: February 9, 1972
Time: 3:36 pm - 3:38 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.

     Vietnam
          -US stance on negotiations
               -Patrick J. Buchanan memorandum
               -William P. Rogers comment
                     -Question to Ronald L. Ziegler at briefing
                     -Los Angeles Times coverage
               -Kissinger comments at briefing
                     -Kissinger renouncement of reported official comment
                     -Nguyen Van Thieu position
                           -North Vietnam response
                     -US stance on terms
                     -Thieu offer of resignation
                           -Administration handling
                                -The President’s speech of January 25, 1972

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Hello.
Mr. President?
Say, Henry, just to be sure, I'm right on thing.
You can't have sent me something over that said that a White House spokesman had said to you that you appeared to be flexible or something.
No, no.
He said on Tuesday.
Well, maybe it was Tuesday.
I just want to be sure, but I thought it was Roger we were talking about.
No, it's Roger that they're complaining about.
Yeah, I know they're complaining about, but this is... No, Ron was asked at a press briefing in which we had told him not to comment.
He was asked, do we stand behind the Secretary of State?
And he, in fact, said, well, we've always said we've been flexible.
I see.
It says that the White House spokesman said the United States is indeed flexible on the issue.
Well...
I see what you mean.
That's how it came about.
That's how it came about, Mr. President.
I pulled away from it yesterday at the briefing, a little dance with Times characters, no other favorite characters.
What did you say?
Essentially what we recommended to do.
That it was a very generous patriotic gesture by the Jews that the other side hadn't responded to it.
The Jews...
that you is raising an issue of if there's no point making these concessions, but the other side has made it, and that these were not our concessions to make, and that this was based on his understanding, because obviously we had always taken all positions in conjunction with him, and that on the political issues, they of course played a big role.
Right.
As a matter of fact, the offer to resign is.
That's
He made the, you know, his idea.
It was his idea.
Well, why don't we say that?
Give him credit for it.
That's right.
You can say, as you pointed out, it could be.
Well, you know, that's the way we wrote it.
We all know how it came about, doesn't it?
It was his idea.
He came to us and said, I offer to resign.
Therefore, clearly, it is not a proposal he would make on our own.
And they say, well, if you flex the ball on it, I'll say we're not going to get any ground.
So you see what the other side does.
And then they will get everything for them.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 020-086, February 9, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives (NAID 417192853). Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/020-086 (accessed October 31, 2026).