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Start Date: 17-Mar-1972 12:00 AM

End Date: 17-Mar-1972 9:54 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Richardson, Elliot L.Kleindienst, Richard G.Shultz, George P.Mansfield, Michael J. ("Mike")Scott, HughByrd, Robert C.Griffin, Robert P.Javits, Jacob K.Hruska, Roman L.Eastland, James O.Albert, Carl B.Ford, Gerald R.Quie, Albert H.McCulloch, William M.Ehrlichman, John D.MacGregor, ClarkTimmons, William E.Korologos, Thomas C.Cook, Richard K.Morgan, Edward L.O'Neill, Paul H.Buchanan, Patrick J.Dam, Kenneth W.Garment, LeonardKlein, Herbert G.White House photographer

Recording Device: Cabinet Room

095a.mp3

095b.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 17, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Elliot L. Richardson, Richard G. Kleindienst, George P. Shultz, and bipartisan Congressional leaders, including Michael J. ("Mike") Mansfield, Hugh Scott, Robert C. Byrd, Robert P. Griffin, Jacob K. Javits, Roman L. Hruska, James O. Eastland, Carl B. Albert, Gerald R. Ford, Albert H. Quie, William M. McCulloch, John D. Ehrlichman, Clark MacGregor, William E. Timmons, Thomas C. Korologos, Richard K. Cook, Edward L. Morgan, Paul H. O'Neill, Patrick J. Buchanan, Kenneth W. Dam, Leonard Garment, Herbert G. Klein, White House photographer, and members of the press, met in the Cabinet Room of the White House at an unknown time between 12:00 am and 9:54 am. The Cabinet Room taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 095-001 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 95-1

Date: March 17, 1972
Time: Unknown after 12:00 am until 9:54 am
Location: Cabinet Room

Elliot L. Richardson met with Richard G. Kleindienst, George P. Shultz, Michael J. (“Mike”)
Mansfield, Hugh Scott, Robert C. Byrd, Robert P. Griffin, Jacob K. Javits, Roman L. Hruska,
James O. Eastland, Carl B. Albert, Gerald R. Ford, Albert H. Quie, William M. McCulloch, John
D. Ehrlichman, Clark MacGregor, William E. Timmons, Thomas C. Korologos, Richard K.
Cook, Edward L. Morgan, Paul H. O’Neill, Patrick J. Buchanan, Kenneth W. Dam, Leonard
Garment, and Herbert G. Klein; the White House photographer and members of the press were
present at the beginning of the meeting

     [General conversation/Unintelligible]

The President entered at 8:07 am

     [General conversation/Unintelligible -- Camera noise]

     Briefing
           -Attendees

     Busing
          -Legislation
                -Congress
                -Judiciary Committee
          -Racial balance
                -The President, 1967
          -Lower courts
                -Decisions
          -Supreme Court
          -Segregation
                -Brown v. Board of Education
                      -Review of decision
          -Inferior compared with superior education
          -House and Senate
                -Constitutional amendment
                      -Racial balance
                      -Language
                      -Timing
                           -Children
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               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. 10/08)



                       -Victims
-Legislative moratorium
     -Constitutionality
     -Congress
-Equal Education Opportunity Act of 1972
     -Desegregation
     -Legislation
-Moratorium
-The administration program
-Constitutional amendment
-House and Senate
-Moratorium
-Shultz
-Kleindienst
-Richardson
-House and Senate
-Black appointees
-School committees
-Transportation compared with education
-School systems
     -Reorganization
            -Costs
                 -Young children
                       -Fifth grade and below
                 -Distance
                 -Time of travel
-Equal educational opportunity
     -Bills
            -Moratorium
                 -Wage/price freeze comparison
                 -Fact sheet
                       -July 1973 deadline
            -Equal Education Opportunity Act of 1972
                 -Richardson
                 -Funds for compensatory education
                       -Low income students
                             -Emergency School Aid Act
                 -Definitions
                       -De facto segregation
                 -Remedies
                       -Denials
                       -Emergency School Aid Act
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                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/08)



                      -Constitutional violations
-Age of children
      -Sixth grade or lower
-Junior and high school students
      -Temporary orders
-School district violations
      -Desegregation order
-Moratorium
      -Constitutionality
            -Congress
            -13th Amendment
            -Congressional power
      -Department of Justice [DOJ]
-Compensatory education
-Equal opportunity legislation
      -Funds
            -Distribution
                  -Need
            -Emergency School Aid Act
            -Poor or minority children
                  -Student transfer
                        -Funds transfer
-Desegregation
-Better education
-Inferior schools
      -Central cities
      -Rural areas
      -Black children
            -Harlem
            -South Side Chicago
            -Racial versus education problem
      -Central city schools
            -Compared to suburban schools
-Moratorium
-Fact sheet
      -Cases
            -Detroit and Grand Rapids
                  -District line violations
-National program
      -Equity
-Charlotte, Mecklenburg cases
-Intervention
                                 4

              NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                         Tape Subject Log
                           (rev. 10/08)



     -DOJ
     -Lower courts
     -Directive
           -Cabinet officers
           -All bureaucrats
-School boards
     -County
     -Segregation
           -Cases
                 -Court orders
                 -Michigan cases
                       -School districts
                 -Charlotte, Mecklenburg
                 -Section 406
                       -Brown v. Board of Education
                 -Oklahoma City
                       -Federal District Judge
                       -10th Circuit
                 -Modification of court orders
                 -Richmond
                 -Moratorium
                       -Cases filed before and after
                             -Decisions rendered
                             -Richmond case
                 -District courts
                       -Remedies
                             -Hierarchy
                             -Busing orders
                                   -Five years
                                   -Never ending
                                   -Circuit court
-Richardson
-Transfer of students
     -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
           -Withhold funds
                 -School districts
     -Transfer of funds
           -Until graduation
                 -HEW cut-off of funds
     -Enrollment
-Court orders
-HEW court plans
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                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                            Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. 10/08)



      -Remedies
            -Voluntary
            -Section 406
-Intervention
      -Alternatives
      -Appeal procedures
-Moratorium
-Richmond case
-Denver case
-Detroit case
-Moratorium
      -Court order
      -Constitutionality
      -Congress
            -Old busing orders
      -Intervention
      -Federal District Judge
      -Section 406
      -Old busing orders
            -Constitutionality
-Constitutional amendment
      -Effectiveness
      -Future
-Budget
      -New or old money
      -Title 1
      -Emergency School Aid Act
      -Fiscal 1972-1974
      -Amount
      -Redirection of funds
      -New money
      -Poor children
            -Appalachia
            -Mexicans
            -Accurate definition
            -Richardson
            -Rural areas compared with cities
                  -1970 census
                        -Numbers
                             -Schools
      -Title 1
      -Transfer of students and funds
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                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/08)



      -Congressional leadership
-Moratorium
      -Termination
      -Legislation
            -Congress
-Emergency School Aid Act
      -Mansfield
            -Talk with Ford
      -Conference
      -House of Representatives
      -Conference
            -Report
            -Effectiveness
-Scott-Mansfield amendment
-William S. Broomfield amendment
-The President’s plan
-Conference
      -Richardson
      -Money
      -HEW
-Moratorium
      -Constitutionality
      -Lawyers
            -Meeting with the President
            -Robert H. Bork
            -Hammond Chaffetz
            -Shultz
            -Kleindienst
      -Resolution
      -Congress
            -Senate and House bills
-Importance
-Speech
-Number it affects
-Florida primary
      -Issue
-Public opinion
-George C. Wallace
      -Racists
            -Voting
-Children
-Public opinion
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                            Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. 10/08)



-Scott-Mansfield amendment
-Civil rights
-House of Representatives
      -Broomfield amendment
            -Compromise
            -Moratorium
            -Provisions
-Moratorium
      -Judiciary
      -Education
-Scott-Mansfield amendment
-Moratorium legislation
-Broomfield amendment
-John N. Ashbrook amendment
-William J. Green amendment
-House of Representatives
      -Rules Committee
-Broomfield, Ashbrook, and Green amendments
-Constitutional amendment
      -Progress
      -Vote in the House
      -Senate
      -Chairman of the Judiciary Committee
-Legislative group
-Supreme Court
-Ford
      -Legislative remedy
            -Doubts
                  -Before the People’s Republic of China trip
-Cabinet Committee
      -Work
            -Praise
-Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
-Civil rights leaders
-Cabinet Committee
-Legislative proposal
      -Congress
      -Courts
-Distance
      -Moratorium provisions
            -School boards
                  -New schools
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/08)



                       -Orders of federal courts
                             -School districts
                                  -HEW
           -Judiciary Committee
           -Constitutional amendment
                 -As an amendment to a resolution
                 -Compared to Equal Rights Amendment [ERA]
           -Brown v. Board of Education
           -Racial balance
           -Quality education
           -Effect on children
                 -Kindergarten through sixth grade
                 -Older children
           -Section 403
                 -Section C
                 -Section B
           -Statute as a whole
                 -Sixth grade and below
                 -Education Act
                 -Last resort
                 -Copies
                       -Judiciary Committee
           -Domestic problem
                 -Priority
           -Courts
           -Constitutional amendment
           -The President
           -HEW
           -DOJ
           -Action
           -Congress
           -Moratorium

     [General conversation/Unintelligible]

The President, et al. left at 9:54 am
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                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/08)