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Start Date: 21-Sep-1972 3:15 PM

End Date: 21-Sep-1972 5:02 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Colson, Charles W.Sanchez, Manolo[Unknown person(s)]Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

357-011.mp3

NARA Description:

On September 21, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, Manolo Sanchez, unknown person(s), and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:15 pm to 5:02 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 357-011 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 357-11

Date: September 21, 1972
Time: 3:15 pm - 5:02 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Charles W. Colson.

            Grain sales to the Soviet Union
                -Possible statement by the President
                     -William L. Safire
                     -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
                -Situation
                -Earl L. Butz
                -Knowledge by high officials
                -Possible firings from jobs
                -News coverage
                -George Meany's conversation with George P. Shultz
                     -Public relations response
                     -Butz
                          -Letters from George S. McGovern to Paul Hall in 1965
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                           -Wheat dealers relations with McGovern


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 2m 11s     ]


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          Public statements
              -The President's conversation with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
                   -Language in speeches
                       -Drug statement
                       -Price's staff
                       -The President’s view
                       -Patrick J. Buchanan
                       -The President’s State Department speech
                            -Publicity
                       -Press coverage
              -Aram Bakshian, Jr.
              -Noel C. Koch
              -1972 election

          Meany
             -Statement

          Dr. John C. Lungren
               -Previous call to the President
                   -Break-in of Lungren's office
                        -Contents
                            -The President’s medical file
               -Break-in
                   -The President’s view
                        -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                        -Possible publicity
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                                     Tape Subject Log
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                     -Arnold A. Hutschnecker
                     -Rose Mary Woods
                     -Purpose
                     -Compared to Watergate
                         -Lawrence F. O’Brien, Jr.
                     -FBI investigation
                         -L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III
                         -Haldeman
                         -Public relations

            1972 campaign
                -McGovern's conversation with assembly workers
                    -Bryce N. Harlow
                    -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] coverage of two unnamed workers
                        -Archie Bunker comparison
                        -Vietnam veteran
                        -News summary

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:15 pm.

            Haldeman's schedule

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 4:46 pm.

            1972 campaign
                -Vietnam veteran
                    -Response to inquiries by McGovern
                -Albert E. Sindlinger's call to Colson
                    -Sindlinger’s background
                    -Sindlinger's wife
                -US public reaction to McGovern on Vietnam issue
                    -Boston Globe
                -Haldeman's analysis of McGovern's campaign
                    -Vietnam War
                -Vietnam as an issue
                    -Number of wounded and killed by North Vietnam
                         -Henry A. Kissinger's staff
                         -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
                         -Cambodia and Laos

Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:15 pm.
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            Haldeman's schedule

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 4:46 pm.

            Vietnam War
                -Catholic Bishop of Da Nang, 1964
                -Casualties


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 6m 16s     ]


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                 -Amnesty issue
                     -Administration's position
                         -Jail
                               -Canada
                         -Canada, Sweden
                     -Average US worker
                         -Colson’s view
                               -Idea toward amnesty and support of America
                     -White House staffers
                 -Economic issue
                     -August 1972 statistics
                         -Consumer Price Index [CPI]
                         -Wholesale [Price] Index [WPI]
                     -Stock market
                     -Reelection of the President
                         -Stock reaction
                               -George H. Gallup
                               -Louis P. Harris
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                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. Oct-06)


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 3m 48s     ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6

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          Watergate

          McGovern's handling of Vietnam issue
             -Hanoi trip
             -Paris trip

          Watergate
             -William F. Buckley, Jr.'s column about E. Howard Hunt, Jr.
                  -Buckley’s relationship with Hunt
                  -Bernard Barker
                      -McGovern
                          -McGovern's reaction
             -McGovern's campaign
                  -Question of source of money
                      -Fidel Castro
                          -McGovern’s reaction to story
                      -Unknown person
                          -Philadelphia
                          -Buchanan
                      -Kenneth W. Clawson
                      -The President’s statement


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 7m 51s     ]
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                                 Tape Subject Log
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END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7

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          Campaign finances
             -John B. Connally
             -Henry Kimelman
             -R. Sargent Shriver
                  -Disclosure
                      -Public statement
                      -Eunice Kennedy Shriver
             -McGovern-Shriver ticket
                  -Income
                      -Limitations because of income
                  -Edward W. Kennedy
                  -Robert F. Kennedy
                  -Clark MacGregor’s response
                  -John F. Kennedy
                      -1958 campaign
                           -News coverage
                           -Comparison to 1972 campaign
                  -Joseph P. Kennedy
                  -Edward Kennedy
                  -Money involved in campaign
                      -Mrs. Shriver
                      -Shriver’s statement
                  -McGovern's campaign

          Campaign practices
             -Rallies, hecklers
             -McGovern
                 -Image
                 -Efforts
                 -Size of campaign crowds

          Watergate
             -Buckley's column on Hunt
                  -CIA
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                         -Motives
                         -Colson
                         -Colson’s view
                         -Fidel Castro
                              -James J. Kilpatrick, Jr.
                 -The President’s conversation with Sanchez
                 -Buckley’s column
                     -Effect on McGovern


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8
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[Duration: 23m 26s    ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8

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An unknown person talked with the President at an unknown time between 3:15 pm and 4:36
pm.

[Conversation No. 357-11A]

             The President’s schedule

[End of telephone conversation]


             1972 campaign issues
                 -James D. Hodgson
                     -Economic issues
                 -Robert J. Dole
                 -Amnesty issue
                     -Richard G. Kleindienst
                     -The President’s view
                 -Melvin R. Laird
                 -Colson's conversation with John A. Scali
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The President talked with Haldeman between 4:36 pm and 4:38 pm.

[Conversation No. 357-11B]

[See Conversation No. 30-14]

[End of telephone conversation]

             Campaign practices
                -Break-in of Lungren's office
                    -Press stories
                         -Idea of cover up
                    -Public reactions
                    -Motive
                         -Thomas F. Eagleton


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 3m 53s     ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9

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             Public relations
                 -Sindlinger polls
                      -Bombing of North Vietnam
                           -Sindlinger’s view


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 1m 43s     ]
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                                    Tape Subject Log
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END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10

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          Issues and campaign practices
              -Watergate issue
                   -McCarthyism
              -Tax issue
                   -George C. Wallace
                   -Harris poll
                   -Wealthy
                       -Property tax
              -McGovern
              -Tax reform
                   -McGovern's position on tax program
                   -Corporate taxes
                   -Personal income taxes
              -National defense
                   -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
              -News summary
              -Welfare
                   -McGovern plan
              -McGovern’s credibility
              -The President's possible veto of water bill
                   -Howard H. Baker, Jr.
                   -Edmund S. Muskie
                   -Taxes
                       -Spending
                   -John W. Byrnes, William B. Saxbe
                   -Budget
                   -Benefits
                       -Colson’s view
              -Conservatism of American people
                   -Massachusetts primary


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 11
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 3m 31s     ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 11

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             Vietnam
                 -Poll questions
                     -The public’s view
                 -The President's conversation with Laird
                     -Atmosphere of US
                          -Bombings in Vietnam
                 -Shriver
                 -Harris poll
                 -1968
                     -Vietnam casualties
                     -Social unrest
                     -Narcotics and drug abuse
                          -Immorality
                     -Values of American people

             McGovern's campaign
                -Shriver
                    -Potential problems
                -Vietnam War
                    -Perception of appeasement

Colson left at 5:02 pm.