Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 4 › Conversation 004-065

Nixon phone call with Woods on Henry M. Jackson and Religious affiliation

Monday, June 7, 1971 · 5:21 PM–5:22 PM ET · White House Telephone · 33 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose MaryConversation004-065 on Tape 4 (tape position 02:41:56–02:42:28)StartMonday, June 7, 1971 at 5:21 PMEndMonday, June 7, 1971 at 5:22 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 004-065 ↗

President Nixon consulted with his personal secretary, Rose Mary Woods, to verify the religious affiliation of Senator Henry “Scoop” Jackson. Nixon requested this information to confirm whether Jackson was Catholic or Protestant, likely for political or strategic vetting purposes. Woods indicated she believed Jackson was Protestant but agreed to investigate further to provide a definitive answer.

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Yeah.
Hello?
Check to see whether, would you, Jackson, whether he's a Catholic or Protestant.
Which, you mean Henry Jackson?
Yeah.
Or do you know?
I'm quite sure he's a Protestant, but I can double check it.
I just, well, just checking the, you know, you've got one of those directors.
Yeah.
Thank you.

On June 7, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods talked on the telephone from 5:21 pm to 5:22 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 004-065 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 4-65

Date: June 7, 1971
Time: 5:21 pm - 5:22 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Rose Mary Woods.

[See Conversation No. 513-7B]

     Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
          -Religious affiliation

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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 03/23/2022.
10s segment cleared for release. 6s remain closed as 004-065-w001.]
[Personal Returnable]
[004-065-w001]
[Duration: 10s]

      President's schedule
             -June 7, 1971

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Personal Returnable]
[004-065-w001]
[Duration: 6s]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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      President’s schedule
             -June 7, 1971
                     -Timing
                     -Raymond K. Price Jr.
                     -Rose Mary Woods

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  • 004-063 3:23 PM · 11 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 3:23 pm.
  • 004-064 3:23 PM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 3:23 pm and 5:21 pm.
  • 513-003 3:23 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House at 3:23 pm.
  • 513-004 3:23 PM · 1 hr 14 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, Peter G. Peterson, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:23 pm to 4:10 pm.
  • 513-005 4:41 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:41 pm to 4:46 pm.
  • 513-006 5:04 PM · 19 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander P. Butterfield, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:04 pm to 5:07 pm.
  • 513-007 5:07 PM · 14 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, and Rose Mary Woods met in the Oval Office of the White House at 5:07 pm.
  • 513-009 5:22 PM · 46 sec — United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 5:22 pm and 10:13 pm.

Conversation 004-065, June 7, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/004-065 (accessed September 30, 2026).