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Start Date: 8-Apr-1971 3:56 PM

End Date: 8-Apr-1971 4:21 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)MacArthur, Douglas, IIHaig, Alexander M., Jr.White House photographer

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 05:14:06

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 05:39:42

475-023.mp3

NARA Description:

On April 8, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Douglas MacArthur, II, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:56 pm to 4:21 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 475-023 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 475-23

Date: April 8, 1971
Time: 3:56 pm - 4:21 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Douglas MacArthur, II and General Alexander M. Haig, Jr.; the White
House photographer and members of the press were present at the beginning of the meeting

     Greeting

     President’s schedule
          -Veto of bills
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     President’s speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971

     Iran
            -Mohammed Reza Pahlavi
                  -President’s possible visit to Iran
            -MacArthur’s memorandum
            -President’s visit
                  -Timing                                              Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
            -President’s message to Shah

[Camera noise]

            -President’s message to Shah
            -President’s trip to Iran
                  -Timing
                  -Scheduling
            -President’s itinerary
                  -Haig
                  -Central Africa, Northern Africa
                  -Morocco
                        -King Hassan II
            -President’s visit to Iran
                  -Symbolism
                  -President’s previous trips
                  -Message to Shah
                  -Scheduling
                  -Timing
                  -Vietnamese elections
                  -Scheduling
            -British pull-out from Persian Gulf
                  -Vacuum
                  -Iranian role
                        -Capabilities
                        -US review
                              -Defense Department
                        -Shah’s strength
            -Vacuum
                  -US
                  -Japanese imports of petroleum
                  -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO], Europe
                  -Radical Arab countries
                        -Liberation fronts
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       -Shah’s conversation with MacArthur
             -Shah’s comments about the President
             -Previous US presidents
                   -Middle East
       -President’s trip to Iran
             -Suggestions for discussions
             -Scheduling
             -British pull-out from Persian Gulf          Conv. No. 475-23 (cont.)
             -State Department
                   -William P. Rogers
             -Scheduling
                   -Instructions to Haig
                   -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
                   -Message to Shah
                         -Timing
       -Shah
       -Need for money, arms
       -Role in region
       -Need for money, arms
       -Development of five-year plan
             -Equipment
             -Infrastructure
             -Personnel
             -Identifying priorities
       -MacArthur’s conversation with Henry Kearns
             -Export-Import Bank
       -Need for Credit
             -Type
             -Amount of loan
                   -Fiscal Year 1972
       -Importance to US
             -Japan, Europe
       -Iranian friendship for US

Asia
       -India
       -Pakistan
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National Security]
[Duration: 20s ]


    FOREIGN AFFAIRS                                              Conv. No. 475-23 (cont.)


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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           -Vietnam

    Thailand
         -President’s conversation with Robert C. Byrd
         -Reduction of forces
         -Compared with Vietnam
         -Treaty with US
         -Consequences of US withdrawal
         -Vietnam
         -Credibility
         -Japanese interest in US presence
         -Reduction of forces

    Iran

    Philippines
          -Political stability

    Taiwan
        -Strength

    Malaysia and Singapore
        -Conflicts
        -Lee Kuan Yew

    Indonesia
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[National Security]
[Duration: 9s ]


    FOREIGN AFFAIRS                                                Conv. No. 475-23 (cont.)


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3

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    Middle East
        -Iran
              -Petroleum
              -Importance
        -Arab-Israel conflict
              -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
        -Iran
              -Strength
              -Balance to Soviet influence
              -Strength
              -Friendship with US
              -Compared with
                    -Morocco
                         -King Hassan II
                    -Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Sudan, United Arab Republic, Jordan, Lebanon
        -US alliance with Israel
              -Morocco
        -USSR
        -US ties with Israel
              -Effect on US-Arab relations
        -Iran
              -Shah’s ties to US
              -President’s conversation with the Shah
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[National Security]
[Duration: 1m 9s ]


    MIDDLE EAST                                                       Conv. No. 475-23 (cont.)


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4

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    Iran
           -Reform program
                -Land reform, education, health, housing
           -Tudeh Party
           -Youth
                -Activists
                -Aspirations
           -Reform program
                -Feudalism
                -Effects on social structure
           -Shah’s conversation with MacArthur
                -Aspirations
                      -Hospitals, health services, housing, schools
                -Social conscience
           -Stability
           -Economic growth
                -Petroleum
                -Manufacture
                      -Diversification
                           -Automobiles
                -Agriculture
           -Exports
                -Dates
                -Wheat
           -Tractors
                -John Deere Company
                -Romanian activity
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               -Ford Motor Company
         -US and European investments
               -Scott’s tissues
               -Free enterprise
               -Security
               -MacArthur’s conversation with Shah
         -Petroleum negotiations
               -Radical Arabs and Shah                       Conv. No. 475-23 (cont.)
               -Investment profits
               -Investment climate
         -Exports
               -Industrial investments
               -Saudi Arabia, Persian Gulf
               -Industrial projects
         -Leadership
               -Shah’s ability
         -Zaire
               -Belgium
               -Constitution
               -Mobutu Sese Seko
         -Compared with African nations
         -Africa
               -Development
               -Democracy
                     -Compared with Vietnam


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[National Security]
[Duration: 7s ]


    AFRICA


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5

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      -British
      -US
Latin America
      -Brazil
            -State visit
      -Colombia
            -Political situation
      -Mexico                                              Conv. No. 475-23 (cont.)
      -Venezuela
      -Other countries
      -Brazil
            -Stability
      -Argentina
            -General Juan Domingo Perón
      -US policy
            -Democracy
            -Dictatorship
            -Recognizing different stages of development

Political developments in other countries
      -Japan
            -Business oligarchy
            -Constitution

President’s responsibilities

Laura L. (Barkley) MacArthur
     -Tehran
     -Conversation with President
           -Alben W. Barkley
     -Tehran

President’s visit to Tehran
     -Accommodations

President’s meeting with ambassadors

Presidential gifts
     -Cufflinks
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     President’s visit to Iran
          -Scheduling
          -Message to Iranians

MacArthur and Haig left at 4:21 pm