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Start Date: 22-Apr-1971 9:41 AM

End Date: 22-Apr-1971 10:41 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Dole, Robert J.Armstrong, Anne L.Bull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:00:42

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 00:57:32

486-001.mp3

NARA Description:

On April 22, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Robert J. Dole, Anne L. Armstrong, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:41 am to 10:41 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 486-001 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 486-1

Date: April 22, 1971
Time: 9:41 am - 10:41 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger.

     Instruction to Kissinger
           -Forthcoming telephone call to William P. Rogers

     Vietnam
          -Veterans
               -News

     President's People's Republic of China [PRC] Initiative
          -Credit
          -State Department
                 -Reaction

     Kissinger's Schedule
          -Berlin

     PRC Initiative
         -Melvin R. Laird
         -Rogers
         -State Department
                -United Nations [UN] representation issue
                -Lack of initiative or knowledge
         -Communications with PRC
                -Nicolae Ceausescu
                -Mohammad Yahya Khan

     Berlin Negotiations
          -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
               -Technical Issue
               -Timing

     PRC Initiative
         -President’s initiative
                -Publicity
                -John A. Scali
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                   -Press
             -State Department
             -Background
             -Tactics


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National Security]
[Duration: 13s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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             -State Department
                   -Briefing paper
             -Condominium
             -Rogers
             -Ceausescu
         -Message from Peking
             -Yahya Khan
                   -Chou En-lai
                   -Taiwan
             -State Department
             -National Security Council [NSC]
             -Kissinger's Role
             -Robert Pierpoint
             -Marvin L. Kalb
                   -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
             -State Department
                   -Credit
                   -Laos
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[Transcript #1: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman was present at an unknown time after 9:41 am Conv. No. 486-1 (cont.)

     Scali
             -President's role
             -John Foster Dulles

     PRC initiative
         -Kissinger
         -State Department
         -Defense Department
         -President’s initiative
         -Scali
         -Rogers
                -Haldeman’s possible telephone call
         -CBS
         -State Department
                -Rogers
                -UN representation
                -Rogers
                -Llewellyn E. ("Tommy") Thompson
                      -Letter
                            -Opposition to initiative
                            -Position publication
                            -Union of Soviet Socialist Republic [USSR]
                -Rogers
                -Foreign Service
                -Thompson
                      -Letter
                            -Possible publication
                -Kissinger's role
                -Scali’s role
                      -Publicity
                -Kissinger
                -President's role
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                 -Kissinger's role
                 -President’s list
                       -John Osborne
                       -Donald Oberdorfer, Jr.
                       -Hugh S. Sidey
                       -President's Initiatives
                                                                           Conv. No. 486-1 (cont.)
[Transcript #2: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

     President’s speech at Republican Governors Conference, Williamsburg, Virginia, April 19,
          1971
          -Welfare theme

     Welfare
          -Workers


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 1m 16s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3

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           -Welfare mothers
                -Work
           -Children

     Demonstrations
         -Television
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[Transcript #3: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

     Administration policies                                            Conv. No. 486-1 (cont.)
         -PRC initiative
               -Importance
         -Graham B. Steenhoven
               -Appearance on television, April 21, 1971
                     -Style
                     -Questions
                     -Background

     PRC initiative
         -Calls to Kissinger
         -Importance
         -Elections


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[National Security]
[Duration: 18s ]


     PRC


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4

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     The President's schedule
          -Kissinger's forthcoming call to Laird
          -Camp Pendleton, California
               -First Marine Division
               -Laird
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               -Scali
                     -Air Force One
                     -Press

    Kissinger's schedule


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                                                           Conv. No. 486-1 (cont.)

BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 9s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5

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         -Trip to Europe
               -Itinerary
               -Edward R. G. Heath
                     -Cabinet Secretary
                          -Letter to the President
               -Paris


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[Privacy]
[Duration: 8s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6

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               -Paris
               -Arthur K. Watson
                     -Dinner
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 14
[Privacy]
[Duration: 48s ]
                                                                        Conv. No. 486-1 (cont.)

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 14

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                 -Timing
                 -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin

[Transcript #4: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

     The President's foreign policy initiatives
          -Cambodia
          -Laos
          -North Vietnam
          -PRC
          -USSR

     The President's schedule
          -Meeting with Republican Congressional leaders
               -John W. Byrnes

Robert J. Dole and Anne Armstrong entered and Kissinger left at 10:07 am; the White House
photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting

     Greetings

     Armstrong's schedule
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    Photo session
         -Pictures
               -Distribution

    Introductions


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                                                           Conv. No. 486-1 (cont.)

BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 3m 35s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7

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    Federal government
         -Removals
         -Agencies
         -Discipline

    Dole's visit to New York, April 21, 1971
         -Support for the President on economy
                -George Champion, Jr.
                -Elmer H. Bobst

    Post-Vietnam
         -President's meeting with Senators
               -Japan and Germany

    Bobst
         -Condition

    Dole's speech
         -Noel C. Koch
               -Bullock Forum
         -Polls
         -Koch
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 55s ]

                                                                     Conv. No. 486-1 (cont.)
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8

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    Vietnam
         -Difficulty
         -Outlook
         -Press
         -John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson
         -Women
               -Concerns
                     -Draft
                     -Prisoners of War [POWs]

    Welfare

    The President's remarks at Republican Governors' Conference, Williamsburg, Virginia,
         April 19, 1971
         -Work
         -Personal anecdotes
         -President's position
               -Charity
               -Guaranteed income
         -Administration's program
               -Work
                     -Alternative
         -Department of Health, Education and Welfare's [HEW] position
               -Assistance
                     -Food stamps
         -President’s position
               -Welfare children
               -Poverty
                     -Self-help
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              -Self-development
              -Children
                    -First step
                    -Swimming
              -Work
              -President's meeting with Rio Grande High School students, April 16, 1971
                    -Mexican children
                    -Work                                           Conv. No. 486-1 (cont.)
              -Responsibility
              -Self-reliance and self-respect
              -Disabilities
              -Charity
              -Capacity for work
              -Dole's activities regarding helping the handicapped
                    -Self-help
              -Haldeman's conversation with Kissinger
                    -Work


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 2m 29s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9

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         -Republican Governors Conference
         -Rio Grande High School
         -Republican Governors Conference
         -Background of question
              -Menial jobs
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 1m 12s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10                                               Conv. No. 486-1 (cont.)

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           -Society

[Transcript #5: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

     The President's meeting with Rio Grande High School students
          -Patsy Ramirez
          -Work and activities
                -Earnings
                -Texan tamales
                -California tamales
                      -Cost
                -Earnings
                -Menial tasks
                -Car washes
                -Orange trees
                      -Mexicans
          -Appearance
                -Boys and girls
                      -Number
          -Principal

     The President's meetings with youth groups

     Youth
         -Work
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          -Stimulation
     -Challenges
     -Problem
          -Indulgence
     -Denials
          -Automobiles
          -Trips to Europe
     -Responsibility                                      Conv. No. 486-1 (cont.)
     -Blaming others for inadequacies

Administration programs
    -End of Vietnam War
          -Prospects
    -Environment
    -Welfare
    -Revenue sharing
    -Health
    -Blacks and minorities
          -Poor

Objects of blame
     -College professors
           -Draft evaders
     -Preachers
           -Quakers
           -Avoidance of draft

Problems
     -Vietnam War
     -Environment
     -Races

Children
     -Self-analysis
     -Indulgence by patents
           -Pampering
     -Discipline
     -Escapism

Nation
     -Mood
     -Supersonic Transport [SST]
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          -Priorities
                -Ghettos
                -Defense
          -Analogy to individual
                -Selfishness
                      -Destiny
          -General Charles A. J. M. deGaulle
                -Policies                                      Conv. No. 486-1 (cont.)
                      -President’s view
                -Quoted
                      -Great enterprises
          -US historical enterprises
                -Exploration of the West
                -War
                -Space
                      -Moon landing
                      -Prospects
                -Computerization
                -Exploration of unknown
          -Youth
                -Unselfishness
                -Peace Corps
                -Volunteers In Service To America [VISTA]
                -Activities against government
                -Idealism
                -View of nation's role
                      -Leadership in world
          -Role of US in world
                -Historical powers
                      -British, French, Spanish

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:07 am

     The President's schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:40 am

     Youth
          -Upper middle class
              -Problems
              -Parents
                    -Compassion
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     -Understanding
     -Way to greatness

Nation
     -Guaranteed income
           -Work
     -Welfare program
           -Work                                           Conv. No. 486-1 (cont.)
     -Education for children
     -Children
           -Responsibility
     -National character and individual character
     -Rich societies
     -Soft societies

US position in world
    -Example of Japan and Germany
          -World War II
                -Development
                -Difficulties
                -Character

US
     -General condition

Youth
     -College tuition loans
          -President's position
          -HEW

National character
           -Testing
           -Home
           -Mothers
           -Churches
           -Institutions in disrepair

Children and youth
     -Women’s role
           -Home
           -Communities
           -Church
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                -Permissiveness
          -Self evaluation
                -Responsibility
                -Vietnam War
                                                                  Conv. No. 486-1 (cont.)

                -Fathers
                -Environment                                      Conv. No. 486-1 (cont.)
                -System
                -College
          -President's education
                -College and high school career
                -Teachers
                      -Evaluation

     Nation
          -Need for optimism
          -Media
               -Radio, television, newspapers
          -Poverty
               -Compared with world
          -US foreign policy
          -American people

     Presentation of gifts
          -Cufflinks
          -Paper weight

     Need for optimism

     Dole's meeting with unknown person

Dole and Armstrong left at 10:40 am

     Armstrong
         -Compared with Patricia R. Hitt

Haldeman left at 10:41 am
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