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Start Date: 21-May-1971 3:40 PM

End Date: 21-May-1971 5:26 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Stein, HerbertShultz, George P.Connally, John B.Burns, Arthur F.Sanchez, ManoloBull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:56:00

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:19:19

503a.mp3

503b.mp3

503c.mp3

NARA Description:

On May 21, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Herbert Stein, George P. Shultz, John B. Connally, Arthur F. Burns, Manolo Sanchez, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:40 pm to 5:26 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 503-016 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 503-16

Date: May 21, 1971
Time: 3:40 pm - 5:26 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Herbert Stein, George P. Shultz, John B. Connally and Arthur F. Burns.

     General conversation

     US economy
          -Recovery
               -Forecasts
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                -Unemployment
                -Inflation
                      -Consumer Price Index [CPI]
                -Retail sales
                      -April, May
                -Forecasts
          -Unknown person
          -Wholesale price index                               Conv. No. 503-15 (cont.)
          -Mortgage interest
          -CPI
          -Gross National Products [GNP] calculations
          -National income calculations
          -Unemployment
          -Price increases
                -Response of American people
                -Inflation
          -George Meany
                -Lunch with Burns
                -Support of President
                -Labor support of President
          -Prize freeze
                -Review board
                      -Negotiations
                      -Regulations
                      -Lifting
                      -Timing
                -Prices
          -Interest rates
          -Housing starts
          -Food prices
          -Non-food commodities
          -Economic policy
          -Commodities

Manolo Sanchez [?] entered at an unknown time after 3:40 pm.

     Iced tea

Sanchez [?] left at an unknown time before 5:22 pm.

     US economy
          -Agriculture
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            -Drought
      -State of economy
      -Rate of inflation
      -CPI
      -Construction business
            -Price controls
Steel industry
      -Labor                                              Conv. No. 503-16 (cont.)
            -Strikes
      -Management’s attitude
      -Quotas
      -Government intervention
            -Rate increase
            -Tariff
            -Relief
            -Moral persuasion
      -Labor
      -Government intervention

Construction industry
     -Figures
     -Productivity
     -Unemployment
           -Labor union
     -James D. Hodgson

Steel industry
      -Strike
            -Timing
      -Collective bargaining
            -Posture
            -Compared to past negotiations
                 -John N. Mitchell
                       -President’s role
            -Work rules
                 -Compared to railroads
            -Productivity
                 -Work rules
            -Piece work
                 -Effect on productivity
            -Conrad Cooper
                 -Productivity commission
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                 -Work rules

Labor unions
     -Work rules
          -Construction
          -Railroads

Steel industry                                             Conv. No. 503-16 (cont.)
      -Negotiations
           -Intervention
                 -President’s role
                       -Effect on the country

US economy
     -Prices
           -Increases
           -Stein, Shultz opinions
           -Controls
                 -Price indexes
           -Burns statement
     -Price controls
           -Meany
           -Employment
           -Office of Price Administration [OPA]
           -Burns
           -Timing of initiating
     -Steel industry
           -Hodgson
           -Foreign production compared to US production
                 -Effect on labor management relations
                 -Japanese labor
           -Possible Presidential statement
                 -Television
                       -Educational networks
                       -Prime-time
                 -William L. Safire
                       -Peter G. Peterson
                 -Competition with rest of world
                       -Burns
                             -Audience
                 -Educational television
                       -Stein
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                -Content of President's remarks
                -Visual aids
                -Radio talks

Budget
     -Forthcoming budget session
     -Peterson, Connally, and the President
           -Discussion of goals                           Conv. No. 503-16 (cont.)
Financial markets
     -Expansion
     -Fluctuations
           -Peter M. Flanigan
     -Future
           -Burns
     -Expansion
     -Democratic economists
           -Walter E. Heller
           -Paul A. Samuelson
     -Unemployment
     -Inflation
     -Deficit
           -Fiscal 1971
                 -Outlays
           -Fiscal 1972
     -Revenue
           -Tax returns
                 -Social Security
           -Deficit
                 -Fiscal 1971
     -Fiscal 1972
           -Appropriations
           -Social Security
           -Welfare Reform Bill
           -Social Security
     -Gross National Product [GNP]
     -Social Security
     -Tax returns
     -Depreciation
     -Outlays
     -Welfare Reform Bill
     -Medicare
           -Cost savings
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     -President's budget
           -Congress
           -Appropriations
                 -Education bill
     -Deficit
     -Inflation
     -President's budget
     -Revenue sharing                                            Conv. No. 503-16 (cont.)
     -Strategy for getting President's budget through Congress
           -Compared to Fiscal 1971
           -Fiscal 1973 budget
                 -Taxes
     -Budget deficit
           -Public perception
                 -Administration’s strategy
           -Implications
     -Economic plans
           -Prize freezes
           -Wage freezes

US economy
     -Expansion
     -Projections
           -Full employment revenues
                 -1971
                 -1972
     -Congress
           -Appropriations bills
                 -Timing
           -Opposition party
                 -Strategy
                       -Deficit spending
                       -Fiscal policy
                             -Jobs
                       -Deficit spending
                 -Public awareness
                       -Full employment budget
                             -Stein
                 -Developing a plan of action
     -Fiscal policy
           -Economic stimulation
           -Inflation
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          -Congress
                -Social Security
     -Council of Economic Advisors [CEA]
     -Congress
     -Public awareness
     -Press
     -Social Security increases
          -Public awareness                                 Conv. No. 503-16 (cont.)
                -Benefits
                -Costs
          -Blacks
          -Poor

Automobile industry
    -John A. Volpe
    -Airbags
         -Price of automobiles
         -Bicycles

Monetary policy
    -Banker's meeting
          -Burns
          -George W. Mitchell, James Dewey Daane, Paul A. Volcker, Connally
          -Paul Grover
          -Congress, Treasury Department
          -International Bankers Association
    -Europe
    -US
    -Congress

Economic policy
    -Connally’s role
    -Secretary of State’s role
    -CEA
    -Secretary of Labor
    -Secretary of Treasury
    -Coordination of economic policy
         -Connally
    -Connally's plan
    -Secretary of Treasury
    -CEA
    -Economic spokesman
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                -Secretary of Treasury
          -Role of CEA
                -Stein
                -Paul W. McCracken
                -Shultz
          -Strategy
          -Europeans
                -Knowledge of US foreign policy                   Conv. No. 503-16 (cont.)
          -CEA
          -Shultz
          -Maurice H. Stans
          -Hodgson
          -Plan
          -Burns
          -Connally
          -Meetings of the Quadriad

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:40 pm.

     President's schedule
          -Forthcoming meeting with Robert D. Murphy
                 -Kissinger’s conversation with Murphy
                 -People's Republic of China [PRC]

Bull left at an unknown time before 5:22 pm.

     Economic policy formation
         -Purpose of meeting of Quadriad
              -Secretaries of Commerce, Labor, Agriculture, Housing
              -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
              -Hodgson
              -Stans
         -Foreign policy formation
              -William P. Rogers
                    -"Meet the Press"
              -Kissinger
                    -Backgrounder
              -President's role
         -Role for Connally
         -Press
         -Role for President
         -Role for Connally
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Monetary policy
    -Burns meeting with unknown banker
    -Upcoming meeting in Europe of central banks
          -President's meeting with Connally, May 20, 1971
          -US policy
                -Strength
                -Fiscal policy restraints                        Conv. No. 503-16 (cont.)
                      -Education Bill
                -Productivity
                -Governors
                -Balance of payments
                -International monetary policy
          -Willy Brandt
                -West Germany
                      -Unemployment
          -US economic policy
                -International monetary system
                -Balance of payments
                -US domestic economy
                      -Relationship to European economies
                            -1970
                -President's visit to Europe in February, 1969
                      -US economic policy
                            -Inflation
                      -[James] Harold Wilson's Cabinet
                            -Effect of US economy
                                   -Japan
                -International money markets
                -Interest rates
                      -Federal Reserve Board
                      -Effect of steel strike
                -Strength
                -Confidence
    -Price of gold
          -Rogers
          -Possible increases
          -Previous crisis
          -The Hague
          -Central bankers
    -International monetary meeting
          -Foreign policy
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                     -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
                     -Compared with international monetary policy
                           -Dutch, Belgians, Germans, British
                           -US leadership
               -Clarifying US policy
                     -Possible changes in international monetary system
               -Brandt
                     -Germans                                         Conv. No. 503-16 (cont.)
                           -US policy
         -International monetary affairs
               -Connally
               -Swiss currency
               -Austrian currency
               -Dutch currency
               -Germany currency
               -Icelandic currency
               -Inflation
               -Gold
                     -Burns and George W. Romney
                     -US Reserves
                     -Price
                     -Revaluing
                     -Foreign debt
                     -Malaysia
                           -Gold request
               -Burns
               -Connally
                     -Poker


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     US ECONOMIC POLICY WITH EUROPE                                Conv. No. 503-16 (cont.)


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     President's schedule
          -May 22, 1971
                 -Breakfast

Stein, Shultz and Connally left at 5:22 pm.

     US International Monetary Conference
          -Possible attendance
                -French, British, Italians, US, Japanese
          -Planning
          -Price of gold

     SALT announcement on May 20, 1971
         -World War II

     Burns’ statement
          -Commerce
          -President's assessment
          -Connally's assessment

Burns left at 5:26 pm.