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Start Date: 10-Jun-1971 3:08 PM

End Date: 10-Jun-1971 4:24 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ehrlichman, John D.Krogh, Egil ("Bud"), Jr.Donfeld, JeffreyWeber, Arnold R.Jaffe, Jerome H. (Dr.)Sanchez, ManoloWhite House operatorHardin, Clifford M.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:17:08

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:32:27

516a.mp3

516b.mp3

516c.mp3

NARA Description:

On June 10, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Egil ("Bud") Krogh, Jr., Jeffrey Donfeld, Arnold R. Weber, Dr. Jerome H. Jaffe, Manolo Sanchez, White House operator, and Clifford M. Hardin met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:08 pm to 4:24 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 516-010 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 516-10

Date: June 10, 1971
Time: 3:08 pm - 4:24 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman, Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr., Jeffrey Donfeld, Arnold R.
Weber, and Dr. Jerome H. Jaffe

     Greetings

     Veterans program [Vietnam returnees]
          -Time phases
          -Jaffe’s work with Pentagon
          -Overall drug program
                -Need for national emphasis
          -Upcoming returnees
                -Drug problems
                     -Treatment
                           -Identification
                           -Detoxification
                           -Referral
                                -Veterans’ Administration [VA] facilities
                                -Civilian facilities
                           -Short run problems
                           -Location

Manolo Sanchez entered at unknown time after 3:08 pm

     Refreshments

Sanchez left at unknown time before 4:24 pm

     Veterans program [Vietnam returnees]
          -Book sent to Jaffe from President
                -Content
                -Dr. W. Kenneth Riland
                -Nelson A. Rockefeller
                -Prentiss/Hall role
                -Focus on servicemen and drugs
                     -Magnitude of problem
                     -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW] role
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           -Priorities
-Drug program
     -Urgency
           -Civilian facilities
                 -Overloading
     -Desire of soldiers for treatment
     -Physical state of servicemen returning
           -Degree affected by drug use
     -Most immediate returnees
     -Need for information on nature of drug problem
           -Extent of drug usage in Europe
           -Programs and technology for drug identification
           -Statistical programs
     -Coverage
           -Spread of drugs
                 -Universities
                 -University of California at Berkeley
                 -Harvard University
     -Tenacity of drug problem
     -Drug availability in Vietnam versus Harvard and Ivy League
     -Employment opportunities
           -Vietnam veteran versus non-veteran
                 -Chances of drug problem
     -Jaffe role
     -Evidence of drug relapse
           -Use of drugs
                 -Context of use
                 -African-American usage
           -Optimistic outlook
                 -Data
     -Detoxification
           -Short-term versus long-term programs
           -Problems with discharging soldiers
                 -Discipline
                 -Psychology of war
                        -Reality of casualties
                              -Ehrlichman
           -Need for longer term treatment
                 -Ehrlichman and Krogh
                 -Details
                 -Reward for non user
           -Cost of habit support
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                -New York versus Vietnam
                -Problems
                      -Crime
          -Facilities
                -Military
                -Civilian
          -Use of ship transport
                -Benefits                             Conv. No. 516-10 (cont.)
          -Use of anchored transports
                -Benefits
          -Diagnosis
          -Incentive to improve
          -Treatment
    -Treatment of soldiers still on duty in Vietnam
          -Use of drugs to get home
          -Location of aid
                -Use toward service time
    -Treatment of rehabilitated soldiers
          -Honorable discharge
    -Education ideas
          -Appraisal of dangers
          -Inducement of withdrawal symptoms
          -Chances of death of heroin user
                -Statistics
    -Reduction of drug use
          -Diagnosis of problem
                -Deterrent effect
                -Types of tests
          -Transfer of user
                -Civilian and military linkage
    -Military/civilian drug program
-Cooperation
-New agency
    -Authority
    -Facilities
          -New
          -Old
    -VA
          -Treatment centers
                -Capacity
          -Office of Management and Budget [OMB] view
    -Over-capacity
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      -Over-cost
-VA
     -Eventual cutback
     -Veterans benefits
           -Legislative remedy
-Overall program
     -International cooperation
     -Criminal action                                    Conv. No. 516-10 (cont.)
           -Penalties to pushers
           -Penalties to policemen cooperating
                 -Local legislation
           -Public reaction
           -Good cops versus bad cops
           -User versus seller
     -Penalties to police cooperating with sellers
           -Law Enforcement Assistance Administration [LEAA]
           -Washington, DC law
           -Jerry V. Wilson’s role
           -Washington, DC law as model
-Treatment of addicts as supply drops
-Treatment options
     -Methadone
     -Psychotherapy
     -Use of reformed addicts
-Methadone use
-Knowledge in medical community
-Chicago facilities
     -Mayor Richard J. Daley role
     -State responsibility
-Treatment options
     -Synanon
     -Daytop Village [?]
     -Synanon
           -Affected group
           -Problems
     -Methadone
-Methadone use
     -Intermediate use
           -Addict view
     -Success rate
-Use of drugs
     -Men versus women
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      -Difficulty of treating women
-Methadone use
      -Methods of administering methadone
            -Benefits
            -Problems
      -Substitute drug
            -University of Chicago
            -Short effect span                          Conv. No. 516-10 (cont.)
            -Benefits
      -Reselling of methadone
      -Deaths from methadone
-Goals of program
      -Synanon, Phoenix House, Daytop Village, Odyssey House
      -Drug-free goal
      -Drawbacks of other methods
      -Rehabilitation
-Arrest rates of patients under treatment
      -Implications
      -Methadone use
      -Availability of methadone
            -Legal ramifications
-Civilian involvement in programs
-Multi-faceted attack on drugs
      -Research
      -Counseling
      -Law enforcement
-International cooperation
      -Monday conference
            -Follow up
            -Turkey
            -France
            -Vietnam
            -Mexico
            -Thailand
            -Laos
-New medicine
      -Characteristics
      -Use
      -Research needs
-Research programs
      -National Institute of Mental Health [NIMH] role
            -Need for direction
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               -Money problems
               -Personnel
                     -Skill
                     -Location
               -Budgeting
               -Bureaucratic problems
                     -President’s view
                     -NIMH                                    Conv. No. 516-10 (cont.)
                     -HEW
                            -Elliot L. Richardson
                     -Department of Justice [DOJ]
                     -HEW
         -Legislative needs
               -Jaffe role
               -Problems with legislative pursuits
                     -Bureaucracy handling
                     -HEW
         -Bureaucratic needs
               -Drug abuse leadership
                     -John E. (“Jack”) Ingersoll
               -Acquiring of new personnel
               -Earlier efforts
         -Bureaucratic achievement
               -Centralize control
         -Influx of drugs
               -Laos
         -Attack on poppies
               -Pest development

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[National Security]
[Duration: 27s ]

    FOREIGN RELATIONS

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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                    -Drafting of entomologist
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                      -Dr. Norman E. Borlaug
                      -Dr. Edwin H. Land
                      -Research schools
                            -Cornell University
                            -University of California at Davis
                      -Crop destruction
                            -Mediterranean fruit fly
                                                                     Conv. No. 516-10 (cont.)
[The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 3:08 pm and
4:17 pm]

[Conversation No. 516-10A]

[See Conversation No. 5-3]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Attack on poppies
          -Benefits
          -Utility of past expenditures

[The President talked with Clifford M. Hardin between 4:17 pm and 4:22 pm]

[Conversation No. 516-10B]

[See Conversation No. 5-4]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Screw worm
          -US Department of Agriculture [USDA]
          -Texas problems
               -Use of sterilized male screw worms

     Drug program
          -Riland role
          -Pill factory use

Jaffe, Donfeld, Weber, Krogh, and Ehrlichman left at 4:24 pm
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