Conversation: 516-011
Prev:  516-010 Next: 516-012Start Date: 10-Jun-1971 4:25 PM
End Date: 10-Jun-1971 5:18 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.; Krogh, Egil ("Bud"), Jr.; Flanigan, Peter M.; Butterfield, Alexander P.; Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 04:32:27
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 05:25:02
NARA Description:
On June 10, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Egil ("Bud") Krogh, Jr., Peter M. Flanigan, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:25 pm to 5:18 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 516-011 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 516-11 Date: June 10, 1971 Time: 4:25 pm - 5:18 pm Location: Oval Office The President met with John D. Ehrlichman and Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.Conv. No. 516-10 (cont.) Impressions of Dr. Jerome H. Jaffe Administration role -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW] -Drawbacks of bureaucracy -Sense of mission -Jaffe dealing with Pentagon -Earlier military -Jaffe meeting -Jaffe demeanor -Brigadier General [Forename unknown] Gard [?] -Military commitment to drug program -Objections to Jaffe ideas Drugs as an issue -Attack on drugs -Problem with statistics -Department of Defense [DOD] attitude -Jerry W. Friedheim -Press relations -Congressional relations -Presentation of drug attack -Narcotics head -Qualifications -Myles J. Ambrose -Qualifications -US Customs Service -Future plans -Dispute between US Customs Service and Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs [BNDD] -Transfer to White House -Creation of new position -John E. (“Jack”) Ingersoll 33 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/08) -Effect on Justice Department -John N. Mitchell -Attempts to hire Ambrose for Law Enforcement Assistance Administration [LEAA] -Background of Justice and Treasury Department competition -Outside offers -Competition with Ingersoll -Personnel -Need for good man in Vietnam -General Gard possibility -Armed Forces attitude -Memo from President to Melvin R. Laird -Public relations -Advertising versus action -Drug problem -Use of parasites to destroy poppies -Dr. Edwin H. Land’s role -Control of insects -Problems with insects -Variable factors Krogh left at 4:36 pm Ehrlichman’s schedule -Peter G. Peterson -George P. Shultz Economy -Railroad prospects -Revenue sharing -Taxes -Tunnel credits -Internal Revenue Service [IRS] rules -Impact on economy -John A. Volpe role -National Railroad Passenger Corporation/American Track [AMTRAK] -Ehrlichman’s view -Volpe and Ray Haas [?] -Vance Hartke -Future money needs -Office of Management and Budget [OMB] prospectus -Decision affecting employment 34 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/08) -Shultz role -Peterson role -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger -Peter M. Flanigan -Tax write-offs -Effects -Use of federal money -Benefits Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.) -Increase in spendable income -Tax cuts as investment stimulus -Depreciations -Changes -Treasury role -Law suit -Effect -Details -Current disposition Flanigan entered at 4:42 pm -Peterson’s role -Shultz’s role -Weinberger’s role -Railroad plans versus personal income tax exemption cuts -Council of Economic Advisers [CEA] view -Acceleration of personal exemptions -Stimulation of business -Problem of savings -Stimulate defense spending Alexander P. Butterfield entered at unknown time after 4:42 pm Schedule Butterfield left at unknown time before 5:18 pm Economy -Ship building in California -Flanigan role -Aid to employment -IRS rule on tunnels -Effect on railroads 35 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/08) -Alternatives -Justice Department problems -Mitchell -Opposition to mergers -Rock Island -Effect on railroads -Flanigan talk to Mitchell -Merger positions Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.) -Richard W. McLaren -Railroad problems -Penn Central -Mergers -Airline mergers -Ehrlichman’s study -Specifics -Application to railroads -McLaren -Justice personnel -Merger view -Administration strategy -Railroad prospects -John B. Connally -Aid to railroad -Passenger service -Highway Trust Fund -Railroad crossing money -Use as basis for aid -Magnitude of aid -Use of money -Legal requirements -Federal Highway Commission -Francis C. Turner’s role -Need to protect business -Employment emphasis -Accelerated depreciation tax credits -Money to consumers -Tax legislation prospects -Need for spending -Weinberger -Anti-trust concerns -IRS rules -Regulatory problems 36 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/08) -Weinberger operation -Need for spending -Construction project -Problems -Appropriations -General Services Administration [GSA] role -Congressional problems -Jacob K. Javits action Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.) -House Resolution [HR] 1 -Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO] extension bill -Details -Payments -Appropriation for ACTION -Joseph H. Blatchford -Future of ACTION -Shultz -Administration action -Job creation -Money flow -Housing -Interest rates -Subsidizing -Financing -George W. Romney role -Preston Martin role -Savings and Loans -Romney role -Federal Housing Administration [FHA] -Spending prospects -Romney -Volpe -Highway -Mass transit -Congressional problems -Mass transit money hold up -Spending -Weinberger’s view -Preliminary set up of programs -Location of spending projects -California -Los Angeles -New York 37 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/08) -Pennsylvania -Illinois -Mass transit projects -Los Angeles -San Diego -San Francisco -Bay Area Rapid Transit [BART] -Shipbuilding in California Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.) -Breeder reactor -Orange County -Announcement of projects -President’s participation -Nuclear power plant construction -Earthquake restrictions -Railroad problems -Government takeover -Problems -Unions -Mergers -Justice Department role -Benefits -Airlines -Pan American role -Management problems -Najeeb E. Halaby role -Donald McI. Kendall -Problems -Over-competition -Trans World Airlines [TWA] prospects -Service -Pan American prospects -Effect of increasing competition -Anti-trust problems -Administration image -Secor D. Browne -McLaren -Anti-trust Department -McLaren role -View of observers -Mitchell role -Qualifications -Legal skill in decision 38 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/08) -Role of legal skill in decisions -Employment emphasis -Housing role -Transportation role -Location of other funds -DOD use -HEW -Social security Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.) -Education -Welfare -Elliot L. Richardson -HEW budget -Research products -Location -California -Dr. Edward E. David, Jr.’s role -Memo from Ehrlichman -Appointment with President -Reason -Spending of money -Support of scientific community -National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA] -Environmental Protection Agency [EPA] -Atomic Energy Commission [AEC] -California spending -Veterans’ Administration [VA] hospital -Yorba Linda -Breeder reactor construction -Design contracts -Willard F. (“Al”) Rockwell, Jr. role -International trade -Supersonic Transport [SST] -Japanese -William M. Magruder -Germans -Concorde -Japanese agreement prospects -German/American SST -Willy Brandt -Prospects -Benefits -French 39 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/08) -English -Russians -Administrative regulations -Javits’ role -Anti-trust problem -Legislative strategy -Congressional blame -Department of Transportation [DOT] Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.) -Union problems -Teamsters President’s schedule Ehrlichman and Flanigan left at 5:18 pm