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Start Date: 11-Jun-1971 10:37 AM

End Date: 11-Jun-1971 11:08 AM


Nixon, Richard M. (President)Richardson, Elliot L.Egeberg, Roger O.Cole, Kenneth R., Jr.White House photographerBull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:54:13

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:24:11




NARA Description:

On June 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Elliot L. Richardson, Roger O. Egeberg, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., White House photographer, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:37 am to 11:08 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 517-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 517-5

Date: June 11, 1971
Time: 10:37 am - 11:08 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Elliot L. Richardson, Roger O. Egeberg, and Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.; the
White House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting


         -Wedding plans

The White House photographer left at unknown time before 11:08 am

     Appreciation of Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW] work
         -Congressional salesmanship
                -Egeberg’s role
                      -Necessity of putting message across
         -Egeberg’s efforts for HEW
                -Feeling for President

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/08)

An unknown man [Stephen B. Bull?] entered at an unknown time after 10:37 am

     President’s schedule

The unknown man [Bull?] left at an unknown time before 11:08 am

     Doctors of HEW                                                 Conv. No. 517-4 (cont.)
          -Quality of HEW program

     Use of money
          -Translation into useable service
          -Supply/demand considerations

     Health Maintenance Organization [HMO] programs
          -Kaiser Permanente
                      -American Medical Association [AMA]
                           -Administration public relations
                      -Opportunity for membership
                           -Future prospects

     Drug program
          -Alcohol programs
          -Use of alcohol versus drugs
          -Medicinal use of drugs

     Welfare reform

     Revenue sharing
         -Cancer research

     Office of Management and Budget [OMB]

     Mental health
         -Size of field of mental health
         -Welfare reform versus health care
         -Investment breakdown
         -Thrust of programs
         -Effectiveness of program


                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. 10/08)

     -Translation into large scale program from experience
-Constituency strength in mental health
     -President of National Association of Mental Health [NAMH]
           -Meeting with President
-Problems with medicine
     -Psychosomatic illness
     -Old school versus new school
     -Will to Live                                          Conv. No. 517-5 (cont.)
                 -Dr. Arnold A. Hutschnecker
           -Rose Mary Woods
           -Analysis of personal cases
     -Drug problem
           -Personality deficit
     -Beneficial use of drugs
     -Problems with different drugs
           -Doctors’ role
           -Mexican contacts
                 -Phenobarbital versus heroin
           -Combinations of drugs
     -Administration contact with doctors
           -AMA contacts
           -Attack on drug problems
                 -Educational campaign
                 -Forthcoming HEW meeting with AMA
           -President’s role
           -Support for doctors
           -Arthur G. (“Art”) Linkletter
           -Carl M. Yastrzemski
                 -Boston Red Sox
           -Educators’ role
           -Effect of doctors on youthful drug users
                 -Lack of political identification
                 -Benefit of education
           -AMA involvement
                 -Lecture participation
           -Doctors’ lectures
           -Medical group versus business


                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/08)

                      -Poll on business
                            -Opinion Research Corporation [ORC]
                            -Public opinion
                                 -Public opinion
                      -President’s schedule
                            -Upcoming meeting with AMA
                                                                    Conv. No. 517-5 (cont.)
     Gift presentation
           -Cuff links
           -Golf balls
                -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew

     Drug problem
          -Doctors’ lectures

Richardson, et al. left and Bull entered at 11:06 am

     President’s schedule
          -John Sherman Cooper

Bull left at unknown time before 11:08 am