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Conversation: 535-005

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Start Date: 2-Jul-1971 10:41 AM

End Date: 2-Jul-1971 11:26 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Colson, Charles W.Brennan, Peter J.White House photographer[Unknown person(s)]Bull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:40:21

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:24:57

535a.mp3

535b.mp3

NARA Description:

On July 2, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, Peter J. Brennan, White House photographer, unknown person(s), and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:41 am to 11:26 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 535-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 535-5

Date: July 2, 1971
Time: 10:41 am - 11:26 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Charles W. Colson and Peter J. Brennan.
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                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/08)



[The White House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting]

     Introductions

     Vietnam war
          -Support for the President's policies by the “hardhats”
               -Photograph taken in the Roosevelt Room
          -Pentagon Papers case                                        Conv. No. 535-5 (cont.)
               -Publication of documents by the New York Times
               -Congress
               -Political effect
                     -Lyndon B. Johnson's administration
               -The New York Times
                     -“Hardhat” reaction
                           -John N. Mitchell
               -Washington Post article
                     -Effect of publication of Daniel Ellsberg's documents
                           -Delay in return of US prisoners of war [POWs]
                           -Delay in settlement of the War

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 10:41 am

     Refreshment

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 11:26 am

     Pentagon Papers case
          -Public reaction

     Public perceptions of issues
          -Blacks
                -News reports
                -Arthur A. Fletcher
          -[Forename unknown] Silverberg in the New York Attorney General's office
                -Handling of union issues
          -Newspaper reporting of issues
                -New York Times
                -Washington Post
                -New York Daily News
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                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/08)



Employment
    -Minorities
        -George Meany
        -New York plan
               -Nelson A. Rockefeller
               -John V. Lindsay
               -Comparison of Chicago and New York
                    -Richard J. Daley's attitude          Conv. No. 535-5 (cont.)
                    -Police

New York City
    -Tourists compared to inhabitants
    -Prostitution
          -Madison Avenue, Park Avenue
          -Permissiveness
    -Crime control
          -Lindsay
          -Police Commissioner Patrick V. Murphy
                -J. Edgar Hoover
    -Jobs plan
          -Reasons for delays in implementation
          -Rockefeller
          -John D. Ehrlichman
          -Henry C. Cashen, II
    -Board of Education decision
          -Minorities
                -Dispute about job
                      -Newspaper average
    -Jobs plan
          -Fletcher's actions
                -Ehrlichman
                -Robert J. Dole
          -Effect on building trades unions

Unions
    -Meany
         -Support for the President on foreign policy
    -Stephen D. Bechtel’s attitude
    -Record of the President's administration
         -Fletcher
               -Statement
               -Compared to Martin Luther King, Jr.
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                            Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. 10/08)



             -Ambitions
             -Comment about parade
-Building trades union members
      -Attitude towards the President and his policies
      -Infiltration of communists
-Painters union
-Teamsters
      -Attached by the “New Left”                               Conv. No. 535-5 (cont.)
      -Frank S. Fitzsimmons
      -Hate mail
             -Origins in James R. Hoffa prosecutions
             -Size
      -Fitzsimmons compared with Hoffa
      -Patriotism
      -Joe Teretola
             -Teamsters leader in New York City
-Building trades
-Longshoremen
-Newspapers
      -Lawsuits
-Minorities
      -Fletcher
             -Statement
      -Reaction to administration's efforts
      -Attacks on those who support the President on foreign policy
      -New York jobs plan
-Political affiliation
      -1968 Presidential election
             -The President, Hubert H. Humphrey
      -The President's 1950 campaign against Helen Gahagan Douglas
             -Teamsters
                    -Ray [Surname unintelligible]
-Foreign policy
      -Importance of bipartisan support for the President's policies
      -Union members
             -Support for the President
             -Compared to business, educational, press
      -Priority of the country's interests
      -Award of Medal of Merit to Brennan
             -Audience
                    -Reaction to military ceremony
-Patriotism
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                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/08)



              -Forthcoming National Archives ceremony opening the Bicentennial Era, July
                   3, 1971
                   -Speaker of the House of Representatives, the Chief Justice, the President
              -1970 election
                   -Wearing of the flag pin during election period
                         -Continued daily wearing of flag pin
                              -White House staff
                              -Union members                         Conv. No. 535-5 (cont.)
                                    -Response to queries

    Building trades
         -Brennan's forthcoming meeting
               -Agenda
                    -Wage stabilization and economic policies
         -Union members
               -Support for the President's foreign policy
                    -Reaction to criticism for support


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    Pentagon Papers case
         -Vietnam war
              -Responsibilities of Johnson, John F. Kennedy
                   -Humphrey, Edmund S. Muskie
                   -Muskie's 1968 speech
                         -Johnson's record
                   -Humphrey's 1968 switch on war
                   -The President's treatment of Johnson in comparison with Democratic
                         candidates
                         -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/08)



An unknown person [Stephen B. Bull ?]entered at an unknown time after 10:41 am.

President’s schedule

The unknown person left at at unknown time before 11:26 am.

     Building trades
          -Rockefeller's actions in New York                            Conv. No. 535-5 (cont.)
          -Legislation
                -Emergency Public Employment Bill
          -Release of construction funds
          -Environmentalists
                -Delay of construction projects due to alleged environmental danger
                     -Cashen
                     -Meany
                     -Muskie
                     -Con Edison
                           -Lindsay
                     -Supersonic transport [SST]
                     -California nuclear power plant
          -Housing
                -Minorities

     Presidential gifts

     Communication and public relations
        -The President's previous meeting with Pennsylvania labor leaders Fred Gualtieri and
             Frank DeLuca

Colson and Brennan left at 11:26 pm