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Conversation: 596-004

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Start Date: 19-Oct-1971 10:55 AM

End Date: 19-Oct-1971 12:14 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Bandaranaike, SirimavoKankaratne, NevilleStrausz-Hupe, RobertMosbacher, Emil, Jr. (Bus)Haig, Alexander M., Jr.White House photographer[Unknown person(s)]

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:49:27

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:04:26

596a.mp3

596b.mp3

NARA Description:

On October 19, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Sirimavo Bandaranaike, Neville Kankaratne, Robert Strausz-Hupe, Emil ("Bus") Mosbacher, Jr., Alexander M. Haig, Jr., White House photographer, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:55 am to 12:14 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 596-004 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 596-4

Date: October 19, 1971
Time: 10:55 am - 12:14 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     Supreme Court appointments
          -News leaks
                -John D. Ehrlichman
                -John N. Mitchell
                -ABA
                -White House staff
                -Press office
          -Previous telephone call from Asa V. Call
                -"Beatrice" [Mildred L.] Lillie
                      -Husband
          -News leaks
                -Ehrlichman
                      -J. Edgar Hoover
                -Mitchell
                      -G. Harrold Carswell
                -The President’s efforts
                -Casper W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
                -George P. Shultz
                -Edward H. Levi
                -Woman candidate
          -Lillie
                -Husband
                -Ronald W. Reagan
          -Mitchell

     The President's schedule
          -Multiple Sclerosis Society
               -Forthcoming meeting
               -Presentation of plaque to the President
               -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
               -Spiro T. Agnew
                                   9

               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No. 596-4 (cont.)


      -Paul Revere tray
-Pay Board
      -Members
            -Chairman, George H. Boldt
            -Vacancy
            -Arnold R. Weber
            -Neil H. Jacoby
            -William G. Caples
            -Vacancy
                  -Niccolo Machiavelli
                  -Kermit Gordon
                  -Robert A. Solo of Massachusetts Institute of Technology [MIT]
                        -Former head of Council of Economic Advisors [CEA] staff
                  -Robert C. Turner of Indiana University
                        -Harry S Truman administration
                  -Harold M. Levinson of Michigan
                  -Gordon
            -[Unintelligible name]
            -George Meany
            -Leonard F. McCollum
-Price Commission
      -C. Jackson Grayson of Southern Methodist University [SMU]
      -Allen Spivey
      -Greg Weston
      -Robert F. Lanzilotti
      -William W. Scranton
      -John W. Queenan
      -William T. Coleman, Jr.
      -Marina Von Whitman
      -J. Wilson Newman
      -Robert F. Ellsworth
            -The President’s view
                  -Ellsworth’s background
      -Lewis F. Powell, Edward L. Wright
-North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
      -Appointment to position
            -Ellsworth
            -Charles D. (“Tex”) Thornton
            -Henry L. Hillman
            -David M. Kennedy
                                       10

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 596-4 (cont.)


Japan
     -Ambassadorial appointment
         -Peter G. Peterson
         -Thornton
         -Rudolph A. Peterson
               -United Nations [UN]
         -Thornton
               -Finances

National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
     -Weinberger's memorandum
          -Apollo flights
               -The President's decision
               -Cancellation of flights
               -Space shuttle
               -Moon landings
          -The President's schedule
               -People's Republic of China [PRC]-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
                     [USSR] trips
               -Cancellation flights
                     -1972 Presidential election

Italian-American appointments
      -Democrats
           -Interstate Commerce Commission [ICC]
      -Board of Visitors for service academies
      -Public relations
           -John A. Volpe
           -Sons of Italy

Watergate
    -Public Broadcasting
          -Proposed legislation
               -Appropriation
               -John Williams Macy
               -John D. (“Jack”) Wrather
               -Thomas W. Moore
               -Peterson's conversation with Wrather
                     -Peter M. Flanigan
                     -Charles W. Colson
               -Misuse of public funds
                                       11

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 596-4 (cont.)



California unemployment
     -Jobs program
           -Number
                -Funds
           -John J. Rhodes
                -Flanigan
                -Possible action
                -Weinberger
                -George P. Shultz

The President's schedule
     -Forthcoming interview with Robert Mellon
          -Readers Digest
          -The President's military career
          -“Chick” Dyer
          -Rose Mary Woods
     -Forthcoming meeting with Ruth Voss and Francis L. (“Frank”) Dale
          -Voluntary action
                 -Youth
          -Cincinnati Inquirer
     -SCAP [?]
          -Alexander P. Butterfield

The President's schedule
     -Imelda Marcos
          -Possible meeting with the President
          -Purpose of visit
          -Ferdinand E. Marcos
          -Fight against communism in Philippines
          -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
          -Possible meeting with the President
                 -Timing
                 -Mrs. Nixon
          -Son
          -Ford family in Detroit
          -Possible meeting with the President
                 -Mrs. Nixon
     -The President's forthcoming trip to USSR and PRC
          -Foreign policy
          -William P. Rogers
                                                12

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 596-4 (cont.)


                     -Role on the President's trip to USSR
                     -Preparations for USSR trip
                            -PRC
                            -Advance trip
                            -Henry A. Kissinger
                                  -Vietnam
                            -Leonid I. Brezhnev
                            -Aleksei N. Kosygin
                -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                -Public relations
                     -Kissinger
                -Rogers role
                     -The President’s view

     John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts
          -Mrs. J. Willard Marriott
          -William D. Blair, Jr.
          -The President’s previous meeting with Mitchell
          -Blair
                -Haldeman’s efforts
                -The President’s view
                -Leonard Garment
                -Nancy Hanks
                -Mrs. Marriot
                -Roger L. Stephens
                     -Funds
                           -Congress
                                 -Democrats
                                 -Fund allocation
          -Julius Rudel

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:55 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Forthcoming meeting with Prime Minister of Ceylon
               -Robert Strausz-Hupe
               -Haig
               -Schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:30 am.
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 596-4 (cont.)


     Bull

     Mrs. Marcos
          -Possible meeting with the President
          -The President’s view

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman left at 11:30 am.

Sirimavo Bandaranaike, Neville Kankaratne, Robert Strausz-Hupe, Emil Mosbacher, Jr.,
Alexander M. Haig, Jr.; the White House photographer and members of the press entered at
11:30 am.

     Greetings

     Introductions

     Photographs

The press and White House photographer left at an unknown time before 12:14 pm.

     Ceylon
          -Problems
               -US assistance
                    -Helicopters
                          -Roads
                    -Land

     Southeast Asia problem
          -India-Pakistan conflict
                -Ceylon policy
                -US policy
                -The President’s view
                     -Danger of war
                           -Refugees
                -US position
                     -Congress
                           -Aid programs

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 11:30 am.

     Refreshments
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 596-4 (cont.)


          -Tea

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 12:14 pm.

     Ceylon
          -Agriculture
               -Tea
                     -Export
               -The President's previous trip to Ceylon
                     -Visit to tea growing region
               -Tea
                     -Export
          -Reaction to the President's announced trips to PRC and USSR
               -Bandaranaike’s view
                     -Bandaranaike’s support
                           -PRC
               -The President's analysis of situation
                     -Purpose of trips
                           -Substantive discussions
                           -Public announcements
                                 -Arms
                           -USSR
                                 -Arms control
                                 -Trade
                     -Bilateral nature of trips
                     -Chinese
                           -Peking
                                 -The President’s view
                                       -Future relations between the US and PRC
                           -Southeast Asia
                                 -Fears of other countries
                                       -Subversion
                                 -Indonesia
                                 -Singapore
                                 -Malaysia
                                 -Japan
                                 -Thailand
                                 -Cambodia
                                 -India
                           -Dialogue
                                 -The President’s view
                                  15

               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. 10/06)
                                                           Conv. No. 596-4 (cont.)


           -Negotiations
                 -Peace and stability efforts
           -US-USSR relations
                 -Berlin Agreement
                 -US efforts
                 -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
                       -The President’s view
           -US-PRC relations
                 -Future
                       -Population
                       -Nuclear dependability
                       -Importance of dialogue
           -Future developments
                 -Talks with Andrei A. Gromyko
                       -Recognition of differences
           -US responsibilities
           -PRC and Taiwan
                 -Forthcoming vote in UN
                       -The US position
                             -The President’s view
-Analysis of Ceylon’s position
     -Bandaranaike’s view
     -Population
     -Defense
           -Internal problem
           -Security
           -Armed forces
     -Problems
           -Domestic issues
           -Budget
-Foreign relations
     -Trade
           -Burma
           -PRC
                 -Ceylon’s relations with the PRC
     -USSR-Ceylon relations
-Future of Southeast Asia
     -The President’s view
           -Previous trips
                 -Aid programs
-Agriculture
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                          Tape Subject Log
                                            (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 596-4 (cont.)


                 -Cattle and dairy industry
                       -Farming
                       -Expansion problems
                            -Shipping costs
                                  -Australia
                            -Possible meeting with Clifford M. Hardin
                                  -Hardin’s assistance
                            -Possible meeting with John A. Hannah
                                  -Agency for International Development [AID]
                            -US assistance
                 -The President’s view
                       -Importance
                            -Latin America
                                  -Industrialism
                                  -Brazil
                                  -Peru
                                  -Need for infrastructure
                                  -Compared with US
                            -US farmers
                            -Ceylon

     US foreign policy
          -World peace
          -Arab-Israeli relations
               -Truce
               -US policy
               -Suez Canal
               -US efforts
                     -Peace efforts
                     -Need for negotiations
               -Withdrawal from occupied territories
               -US efforts

The President, et al. left at 12:14 pm.