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Start Date: 2-Nov-1971 8:43 AM

End Date: 2-Nov-1971 9:32 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:07:53

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:04:10

611a.mp3

611b.mp3

611c.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 2, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 8:43 am to 9:32 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 611-002 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 611-2

Date: November 2, 1971
Time: 8:43 am - 9:32 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     Foreign aid program
          -Forthcoming conversation with George P. Shultz

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 8:43 am.

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 9:19 am.

     Foreign aid
          -Popularity
                -Young people

     William P. Rogers

     Melvin R. Laird
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                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)              Conv. No. 611-2 (cont.)



Ronald L. Ziegler
    -Press briefings

The President's schedule
     -Florida trip
           -Development of Phase II economic program
                 -Labor interests
           -Foreign aid

Bernard J. "Bunny" Lasker

National economy
     -Stock market
           -Status
                 -Volumes
                       -Level
                            -Effect
           -Elliot Janeway's views
           -Dow Jones index
                 -Unknown person’s view
           -Press coverage
                 -November 1, 1971
           -Situation since August 1971
           -Public confidence
                 -Arthur F. Burns
           -John B. Connally
           -Investment Tax Credit Bill
                 -Burns's views
     -Status of legislation
           -Automobile excise tax
           -Tax bill
     -George P. Shultz's views
           -Wage and price controls
                 -Labor reaction

Policy planning
     -Shultz
           -Thesis
                -Henry A. Kissinger’s acceptance
                -The President’s initiatives
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)                   Conv. No. 611-2 (cont.)



                      -Impact
                           -Economic and domestic policy
                           -Foreign policy
                                 -Vietnam
                           -Staff structure
                                 -John D. Ehrlichman and Kissinger
     -Ehrlichman's views
           -Value Added Tax [VAT]
     -Ehrlichman's staff
           -Liberalism
           -Edwin L. Harper's views on parochial schools
           -Environment
           -Revenue-sharing
           -Views regarding popular expectations of the President
     -Media treatment of the President

Supreme Court appointments
     -Leonard Garment's views
          -Howard H. Baker, Jr. and Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
     -Lewis F. Powell, Jr.
     -Weinberger
     -Garment
          -Conservatives

Policy planning
     -Staff responsibilities
           -Shultz's views
     -Connally's role on National Security Council [NSC]

National economy
     -Pending tax legislation
     -The President's program
           -Phase I Boards
                -Activities
                -Phase II
                      -Donald H. Rumsfeld
           -Labor interests
                -Wage retroactivity
                      -1971 compared to 1972
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                        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)                   Conv. No. 611-2 (cont.)



    The President's schedule
         -Cabinet reorganization
              -Ehrlichman
              -Forthcoming testimony
              -George W. Romney, John A. Volpe, Rogers C. B. Morton, Elliot L.
                     Richardson, Maurice H. Stans, James D. Hodgson and J. Philip Campbell
              -Romney and Shultz
                     -Press
              -Meeting
                     -Timing and duration
                          -William P. Rogers
                     -Necessity


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    Julie Nixon Eisenhower
          -Meeting with Haldeman, September 1971
               -Schedule
                    -Events
                         -Number
                         -Location
                              -Villanova University

    Tricia Nixon Cox

    Julie Eisenhower
          -Schedule
               -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II
                    -Schedule
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)                     Conv. No. 611-2 (cont.)



           -Florida

Tricia Cox and Julie Eisenhower
      -Schedules
           -Compared to other young people
           -Thelma C. (“Pat’) Nixon
           -Invitations
                 -Procedure

Kissinger
     -Conversation with Haldeman, November 1, 1971
          -Rogers
     -Compared with Rogers
     -Conversation with Robert Kleiman of New York Times
          -Article regarding State Department's role in the President's foreign policy
                -People's Republic of China [PRC] and Warsaw talks
                      -Rogers
     -Views James B. (“Scotty”) Reston's interview with Chou En-lai
     -Conversation with John A. Scali
          -Rogers
                -PRC
     -Possible contacts with press
          -New York Times

The PRC initiative
     -State Department
           -Role
     -Popular opinion
     -Historical record
           -Columnists
           -Kissinger
                 -Papers
     -Rogers's role
           -Kissinger
                 -Papers

Kissinger
     -Views regarding Senate vote on foreign aid, October 29, 1971
          -Negotiations with North Vietnam
     -Conversation with Haldeman, November 1, 1971
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)            Conv. No. 611-2 (cont.)



               -United Nations [UN] vote on Taiwan
                     -Timing
                           -State Department
                                 -Kissinger’s return from PRC
                     -Botswana and Guyana
                     -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.'s role
                     -State Department
                     -Haldeman’s action
          -Possible contacts with press
               -New York Times
                     -Reston
               -Washington Star
               -Rogers's possible reaction
          -Use by Administration
               -Timing
                     -PRC
          -Rogers

     The President's foreign policy
          -Linkage
               -Rogers

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 8:43 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Barber
          -Gerald R. Ford
          -Cabinet

Bull left at an unknown time before 9:19 am.

     Kissinger
          -Conversation with Shultz
          -Middle East
               -Prediction
               -Diplomacy
          -Views regarding India-Pakistan relations
               -PRC

     The President's State of the Union address
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)                   Conv. No. 611-2 (cont.)



          -Ehrlichman
                -Kissinger
          -Haldeman's conversations
                -Ehrlichman
                      -Tax program
                -Robert H. Finch, Rumsfeld, Shultz, Kissinger
                -Congress
                -Ehrlichman

     Kissinger
          -Conversation with Ehrlichman
               -India-Pakistan relations
               -PRC announcements and Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]

     Latin America
           -Rogers

     Mrs. Nixon's forthcoming trip
          -Ziegler's announcement

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 8:43 am and
9:19 am.

[Conversation No. 611-2A]

[See Conversation No. 13-63]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Latin America
           -Rogers
                -Summit
                    -Finch

The President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler between 9:19 am and 9:20 am.

[Conversation No. 611-2B]

[See Conversation No. 13-64]
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)             Conv. No. 611-2 (cont.)



[End of telephone conversation]

     Kissinger
          -Shultz
          -UN vote on Taiwan
               -Rogers
               -George H. W. Bush
               -[Forename unknown] Henderson
               -Possible State Department actions
                      -Motivations
                      -Kissinger's recent trip to the PRC
               -Haig
               -The President’s forthcoming trip to the PRC
                      -Responsibility
                           -Importance
          -Historical record
          -Relationship with Rogers

     State Department
           -Rogers

     Networks
         -Television shows
               -“Laugh In”
               -Haldeman’s view
         -Peter M. Flanigan's plan
         -Cable television
               -Possible independent network
                    -Spiro T. Agnew
                    -William F. (“Billy”) Graham
               -Possible White House involvement
                    -News organization
         -The Left-Leaning Antenna
               -Network bias
         -Flanigan's plan

     Ambassadorial positions
         -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] and Japan
              -Flanigan
              -Mansfield D. Sprague
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)              Conv. No. 611-2 (cont.)



                -Charles D. (“Tex”) Thornton

     Networks
         -Cable television

     National economy
          -The President's schedule
                -Shultz
                -Charles W. Colson
                     -Frank E. Fitzsimmons
                -Pay Board
                     -Arnold R. Weber
                     -Shultz
                     -Rumsfeld
                     -Labor
                           -Wage increases
                                 -Retroactivity
                     -Hodgson
                     -George H. Boldt
                           -Weber's views
                     -Weber
                           -Possible attack on George Meany
                           -Shultz
                           -Paul A. Volcker

Haldeman left at 9:32 am.