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Start Date: 15-Nov-1971 11:10 AM

End Date: 15-Nov-1971 12:03 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.; White House operator; Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); 

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:01:38

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:55:20

618a.mp3

618b.mp3

618c.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, White House operator, and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:10 am to 12:03 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 618-019 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 618-19

Date: November 15, 1971
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)



Time: 11:10 am - 12:03 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.

     The President's economic program
          -Value added tax [VAT]
               -John B. Connally
                      -Forthcoming conversation
               -Options

The White House operator talked with the President at an unknown time between 11:10 am and
11:23 am.

[Conversation No. 618-19A]

[See Conversation No. 14-104]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Education
         -Aid for private schools
               -Possible tax credit
                     -Congress

     Possible poll
          -Taxes
                -Option 5
                     -Connally
                -Sales
                     -Education
                -Property
                -National defense
                -Balancing budget
                -Public relations problems
                -VAT
                     -Possible level

     Budget
         -Balance
              -Ehrlichman's forthcoming meeting
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 618-19 (cont.)


                      -George P. Shultz and Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
                      -Edwin L. Harper
                      -Connally
                      -The President
                      -Paul W. McCracken
                      -Maurice H. Stans
                      -Weinberger
                      -Shultz
                -Connally's schedule
                      -Henry A. Kissinger
                -Ehrlichman's forthcoming meeting with Shultz and Connally
                -Connally's schedule
                      -Treasury Department
                -The President's schedule
                      -Florida

     The President's schedule
          -Florida
          -Camp David
          -California
          -Foreign visitors
                -French, British, Germans
          -Trip to People's Republic of China [PRC]
                -Preparation
                      -The President's conversation with Kissinger and William P. Rogers
                      -Rogers
                            -Legal training
                                  -Leonard Garment’s work
          -State of the Union speech

     State of the Union speech
           -Backgrounders
                 -Jeb S. Magruder

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 11:23 am.

               -Length
          -Subsequent message to Congress
               -Budget message, economic report, national growth policy

     Urban policy
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 618-19 (cont.)


     -Nathan Glazer’s Commentary article
          -The President's letter to Daniel P. Moynihan
          -Family assistance
               -New York

Moynihan
    -Forthcoming meeting with Ehrlichman
         -National growth

State of the Union message
      -Content
            -VAT
      -Preparation
      -Property tax relief
      -Aerospace industry
            -Airline and airframe
            -California, the West, Texas
            -Connally's conversation with Eisaku Sato
                  -Supersonic transport [SST]

Budget
    -Ehrlichman's meetings
          -Connally, Shultz

Elliot L. Richardson
      -Forthcoming meeting with the President
            -The President's forthcoming meeting with Ronald W. Reagan
            -Department of Health, Education and Welfare's [HEW] relations with Reagan
      -Child development legislation
            -House Resolution [HR] 1
            -Moynihan's views
                 -Blacks
            -Jews
                 -Kibbutz
                       -Yitzhak Rabin's background
            -Forthcoming appeal to the President
                 -Possible handling
      -Knowledge regarding HR 1
            -Russell B. Long
      -Richard B. Ogilvie
      -Public perception
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 618-19 (cont.)


                -Call to Ehrlichman
           -Performance

     State of the Union message
           -Content

     Revenue-sharing
         -Budget
         -Congress
         -VAT
         -Nelson A. Rockefeller
         -Administration approach

     Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
          -William C. Sullivan

     Request for refreshment order

The President left at an unknown time before 12:03 pm.

     Budget
         -Continuing resolution
              -Allen J. Ellender and George H. Mahon

The President entered at an unknown time after 11:23 am.

     FBI
           -Sullivan
                 -Relationship with Richard A. Moore
                 -Interest in intelligence

     District of Columbia [DC]
           -Tightening of welfare
                 -Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
                 -Egil G. (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.

     Law Enforcement Assistance Act [LEAA]
         -Management
              -Jerris Leonard
              -Frank C. Carlucci
              -John N. Mitchell and Richard G. Kleindienst
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. 10/06)
                                                         Conv. No. 618-19 (cont.)


           -Leonard
     -Criticism
           -Press
           -Linwood Holton
                 -Justice Department
                       -States
     -The Vice President [Spiro T. Agnew]
           -Forthcoming conference of governors
     -Handling of funds
           -Supervision
           -States' abuse
                 -Examples
           -Forthcoming conference of governors
                 -Agnew

Crime
    -Statistics
    -Life magazine article
          -Poll
    -The President's judicial appointments
    -DC program
    -Symbolism
    -Youth
    -Drugs
          -Dr. Jerome H. Jaffe's office
          -Public relations
                -Athletes' cooperation
          -Statistics
          -State of the Union message
    -Riots
    -Colleges
          -Types of crime
                -Robbery and rape
    -Climate of lawlessness
          -Improvement
                -Compared to 1967 and 1968
    -DC program
    -Drugs

Cabinet
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No. 618-19 (cont.)


Julie Nixon Eisenhower
      -Trip to Cleveland
      -Call to John K. Andrews, Jr.

Andrews's work
    -Patrick J. Buchanan

Budget
    -Continuing resolution
    -Possible agreement with Mahon and Ellender
          -Funding
                -Postal agreement
    -Cessation of spending
    -Possible agreement with Mahon and Ellender
          -Pending bills
                -Defense
                -Military procurement
                -Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]
                       -Possible veto
                -Foreign aid
    -Connally's views
          -Conversation with Haldeman
          -Congress
                -Blame
                -Praise
                       -House of Representatives
                -Blame
                       -Senate
                -Rogers's testimony regarding foreign aid
    -Shultz's call to Ellender
    -Ellender
          -Strategy
                -House of Representatives
                -The President
          -Proposal
    -Mahon
          -Shultz
    -Furloughs for federal employees
          -OEO
          -Agency for International Development [AID]
          -Defense Department
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 618-19 (cont.)


                -Possible impact on Vietnam War
                -Spirit of ‘76
     -The President's possible meeting
          -Ellender, Michael J. Mansfield, Hugh Scott, Gerald R. Ford, Mahon and
                William R. Poage
     -Cabinet meeting
          -Rogers C. B. Morton
          -John A. Volpe
     -OEO
          -Ellender's knowledge
                -Conversation with Shultz
          -Mansfield's view
     -The President's leadership
          -Cabinet
                -Ronald L. Ziegler's possible statement
                -Shultz

Forthcoming Cabinet meeting
     -Agenda
          -Volpe
               -Report on trips
                    -Romania and Poland
               -The President's conversation with Kissinger

Budget
    -Shultz's work
    -Ellender
    -Congressional leaders
    -Congress's actions
          -Amendments
                -Tax bill
                -Foreign aid
                -Appropriations
    -Continuing resolution
          -Defense
                -Mansfield Amendment
          -Foreign aid
          -DC
          -Military procurement
          -OEO
    -Ellender
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 618-19 (cont.)


               -Strategy
                     -Shultz
          -House of Representatives' schedule
               -Wilbur D. Mills's letter to the President
          -The President's possible meeting with Congressmen
          -The President's possible actions
               -Weinberger
               -Connally's views
               -Weinberger

     The President's schedule
          -Cost of Living Council [COLC]
          -Congressmen
          -Richardson
          -McCracken
          -Stans
          -Congressmen
               -Shultz
               -Weinberger

     Budget
         -Congress
              -Clark MacGregor
         -Rogers's views
         -The President's forthcoming meeting with Congressmen
              -Melvin R. Laird
              -Rogers
              -OEO
              -The President's possible actions

     The President's schedule
          -COLC
          -Cabinet Room
          -Richardson
          -McCracken
          -Stans
          -Kissinger

Ehrlichman and Haldeman left at 12:03 pm.
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 618-19 (cont.)