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Conversation 628-005

TapeTape 628StartThursday, December 2, 1971 at 12:17 PMEndThursday, December 2, 1971 at 12:21 PMTape start time00:46:28Tape end time00:50:55ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Woods, Rose Mary;  Bull, Stephen B.Recording deviceOval Office
AudioNARA Description

On December 2, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:17 pm and 12:21 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 628-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 628-5

Date: December 2, 1971
Time: Unknown between 12:17 pm and 12:21 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Rose Mary Woods.

     President’s schedule
           -Upcoming trip to Florida
           -Call from Pierre Rinfret
                 -Unknown location
                 -Upcoming dinner for Pierre E. Trudeau, December 6, 1971
                      -Canada

     Woods’ conversation with an unknown woman
         -Award
                  -Unknown musician

     The President’s schedule
          -Bermuda
               -Woods' schedule
          -Woods’ schedule

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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 04/20/2022.
Segment cleared for release.]
[Personal Returnable]
[628-005-w001]
[Duration: 1m 6s]

     The President’s schedule
          -Rose Mary Woods’ schedule
               -Robert L. King
                      -Lunch
                           -December 3, 1971
                      -Water project in Mexico
                           -Bankrupt
                           -Jack Drown
                      -Rose Mary Woods’ opinion
                           -Unknown woman

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     The President’s schedule
          -King
               -Possible position on staff
                      -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:17 pm.

     Clark MacGregor
          -Meeting with the President
               -Taxes

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:21 pm.

     Suggestion

Woods left at 12:21 pm.
Transcript (AI-Generated)

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

One thing, again, I don't think about you.
I know that when they're small, I don't like to put someone in a row because it would, you know, balance it very well.
We had a registered call over our next visit.
Yeah, he's a Canadian man.
Okay, I thought you would, but I... As I say, when it's that few, I can take it and put anybody in who wouldn't be good.
Okay, good.
Yeah, it becomes fair.
And then Mrs. Bacon wrote to me and said, she understood from you that an award was going to be given to Mr. Archimedes, didn't she?
And I wondered...
I mean, she says he's been decorated by all men and all the government, right?
I think we've been to the...
I don't know.
I'll see if he still plays.
Yes, he still does.
I've done a couple of lists.
She said that he told Kendall.
I haven't seen him.
I haven't seen him.
I haven't seen him.
And then, so I know I asked the other day, and I'm not pushing, I just thought so I can know, you know, when I say yes and no to a hearing, whether you will, whether I will be going on the, you know, these early trips or not, you know, whether that is it.
Or whether you even have time to discuss it.
Well, I don't need a question at this time, yeah.
Yeah, you've got to rule this time.
I don't know.
I've got to find out whether these financial indicators and so forth and so on.
Some statements...
Yeah, I will let you know.
Well, I came with him.
I said, I'm going to take him to lunch.
I told him to come tomorrow instead of today, because tomorrow he would definitely be gone.
Yeah.
How's he doing?
Oh, he's still outside the park.
He's still talking about some water project from Mexico that he talked to me on a year ago.
His other name went busted, didn't it?
He's basically on it.
Did he go bankrupt?
Oh, bankrupt.
No, that's...
He did, especially.
Jack Downs.
Jack Downs, yeah.
Quite a few people I've met.
We often just tried to help him then, you know, but he said he had to pay Ed and make more money than government.
Poor guy, he said he just dreamed and fiddled his life away because he had good money.
Or else he nagged his life away.
He probably needed to nag.
Very good.
So he said, but I was wondering, I was going to have him in today, but I told him that today was busy.
Well, I didn't ask to see, but I wanted you to be out of town, so I could see yesterday when she comes.
And that was great.
But after that, I didn't need to be there for her.
Well, Bob, I talked to Bob about it, and we, um, I wrote him, and someone called him at that point.
We could put him on some pay to come check something.
Excuse me, Mr. President, uh, Clark McRaven needs to speak to you for one moment on the tax matter.
He's right on the sideline.
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