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Start Date: 14-Oct-1972 9:00 AM

End Date: 14-Oct-1972 10:01 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Bull, Stephen B.[Unknown person(s)]Ehrlichman, John D.

Recording Device: Oval Office

798-003.mp3

NARA Description:

On October 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, unknown person(s), and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:00 am to 10:01 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 798-003 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 798-3

Date: October 14, 1972
Time: 9:00 am - 10:01 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

        Radio Address on Crime and Drug Abuse, October 15, 1972
            -Length
                -Raymond K. Price, Jr.

        The President’s schedule
            -John D. Ehrlichman

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:00 am.

        The President's schedule
            -Meeting with Henry A. Kissinger
            -Meeting with doctors from the People's Republic of China [PRC]
                -Time allotted on official schedule
                     -Translation
            -Meeting with Soviet official [Timofey B. Guzhenko]
            -Kissinger

Bull left at an unknown time before 9:30 am.

        Congressional relations
           -Adjournment
                -Senate
                -House of Representatives
                    -House Resolution [HR] 1
           -Spending ceiling bill
                -Conference
                    -Wilbur D. Mills

        The President's schedule
            -Radio address on Federal Spending, October 7, 1972
                -Timing

Haldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 9:00 am and 9:30 am.
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                                      Tape Subject Log
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[Conversation No. 798-3A]

        The President's schedule
            -Radio Address on Federal Spending
                -Length
            -Purchase of radio broadcast time

[End of telephone conversation]

Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:00 am.

             -Draft of Radio Address on Crime and Drug Abuse
                 -The President’s upcoming trip to Camp David
                 -John K. Andrews, Jr.
                 -Length

Bull left at an unknown time before 9:30 am.

                 -Tone

        Congressional relations
           -Adjournment
           -Water bill
                -Possible veto override
                    -Quorum
           -Edward M. Kennedy's possible committee investigation [of Watergate]
                -Sine die
                -Ehrlichman

        Vietnam negotiations
            -Leak source
            -Kissinger’s concern
                 -William P. Rogers
                 -State Department
            -Settlement timing
                 -1972 election
            -Media relations
                 -Tape of alleged Vietnam veteran
                      -George S. McGovern
                      -Morning shows
                      -American Broadcasting Corporation [ABC]
                      -Boston talk show
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                            Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. Nov-03)

                  -Timing
                  -Unknown talk show host
             -Quality
    -Leak source
        -Kissinger’s concern
             -Rogers
        -North Vietnamese
             -Le Duc Tho
             -Sweden
             -Haldeman’s forthcoming conversation with Rogers
        -State Department
        -Kissinger’s plan for cease-fire
             -Coalition government
        -State Department
             -Coalition governments
                  -Rogers
                  -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
        -Haldeman’s view
             -Executive Office Building [EOB]
        -Kissinger
    -Kissinger’s travels
        -Hanoi
        -Saigon
             -Nguyen Van Thieu
                  -Possible television [TV] appearance
                      -The President’s possible statement
        -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
             -Thieu
    -The President's schedule
        -TV appearance
             -Kissinger’s possible press briefing
                  -Press interpretation

Cabinet and Congressional leaders meeting
    -Possible call back for meeting
    -Timing
         -Broadcast
         -Kissinger’s briefing

Vietnam negotiations
    -Haig compared to Kissinger
        -Thieu
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                                   Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. Nov-03)

               -North Vietnam
                   -Position
                       -Readiness for settlement

       The President's schedule
           -Rose Mary Woods
           -Camp David
               -Charles G. ("Bebe") Rebozo
               -Robert H. Abplanalp
               -Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
           -Access to the President
               -Woods’s telephone call to the President
                    -Alexander P. Butterfield, Bull, Dwight L. Chapin
               -Tricia Nixon Cox, Julie Nixon Eisenhower, Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
               -Woods
               -Instructions for the White House operators
                    The President’s family
                    -Kissinger, Haldeman, Woods
                    -Problems
               -Haldeman’s possible conversation with Woods


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           -Woods
              -Butterfield, Bull, Chapin
                  -White House operators
                       -Haldeman’s role


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                                    Tape Subject Log
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
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[Duration: 48s ]


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       Stock market
           -Manipulation
               -Haig
               -Changes
                    -Kissinger's Vietnam negotiations
               -Jews
                    -Opportunities to make money
               -Short-term gain
                    -Tax


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       1972 campaign practices
           -Edmund G. Muskie
               -Possible suit
           -Peter Lisagor
               -Richard (“Dick”) Tuck
           -McGovern campaign
               -Corruption speech
                    -Seattle
                    -TV coverage
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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Nov-03)

                 -Tone
                     -Detroit News
                 -Response
                     -White paper on Corruption
                     -Attack mode
                 -John B. Connally’s view
                     -Poll numbers
                          -Barry M. Goldwater
                               -Comparison
                     -Corruption issue
                     -Vietnam War issue
                     -Sympathy
                     -Party line
                          -Richard J. Daley
                               -Level of support
                               -Patrick J. Buchanan
                          -Connally’s appearance at an auction

        King Ranch auction
            -Ehrlichman

Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:00 am.

        President's schedule
            -Ehrlichman
            -Kissinger
            -Doctors from the PRC

Bull left at an unknown time before 9:30 am.

        Connally
           -Auction meeting
                -Politics
                    -Democrats for Nixon
                    -Idanell (Brill) (“Nellie”) Connally

        Establishment
            -Disassociation from McGovern
                 -Vietnam War peace plan
                     -James B. (“Scotty”) Reston, Joseph C. Kraft
                         -Positions
                              -Buchanan’s view
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                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Nov-03)

                         -Differences on the issues
                     -William S. White

Ehrlichman entered at 9:30 am.

        Congressional relations
           -Adjournment
                -Conference on debt ceiling
                    -Timing
                    -House of Representatives version of spending limit
                -Senate
                    -Michael J. Mansfield statement
                -HR 1
                    -Mills
                         -Russell B. Long
                              -Conference on debt ceiling
                    -Senate
                         -Taxes
                    -Press coverage
                    -Veto possibility
           -Water bill
                -Veto possibility
                -Senate
                    -Possibility of signing
                    -Spending ceiling
                         -The President’s view

        Watergate
           -Kennedy
                -James O. Eastland
                    -Senate rules on investigation
                    -Fredrick C. LaRue
                    -Republicans on the sub-committee
                         -Roman L. Hruska
                         -LaRue
                    -Trial
                    -Attorney General-Senate Judiciary Committee relationship
                         -Investigations
                             -Effect on cases
                             -US attorney
                             -Publicity
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                             Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Nov-03)

Congressional relations
   -HR 1 and water bill
        -Timing of possible veto messages
            -Quorum
                 -Pocket veto
            -Absentees on Senate vote
                 -Loss of support
   -Foreign policy issues compared to domestic issues
        -B. Everett Jordan, Charles H. Percy, Jacob K. Javits, Robert W. Packwood,
            Mark O. Hatfield, William B. Saxbe
   -Percy
        -Consumer legislation
            -Recent telephone calls to Ehrichman
                 -Request for a meeting with the President
                 -Thomas C. Korologos meeting with Percy
                       -Cloture failure
                           -TV criticism of the White House
                                -Packwood, Hatfield, Javits
            -Administration’s stance
                 -Percy, Javits
            -Percy
                 -Illinois
        -Thomas J. Houser
            -John N. Mitchell
                 -Percy
        -Nixon-Roman C. Pucinski bumper stickers
            -Special fund expenditure
            -Alderman
                 -Vito Marzullo
            -Number
                 -Television
            -The President's trip to Chicago
                 -Media coverage
                 -Airport
                 -Mrs. Nixon, Tricia Nixon Cox, Julie Nixon Eisenhower
                       -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
        -Pucinski
            -Vietnam position
        -1972 campaign
            -1972 campaign finances
                 -Compared to Pucinski
            -Administration support
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                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. Nov-03)

                         -Primary, meeting, photograph session, letters
                         -Kissinger
                             -Fund raiser
                         -Nixon-Pucinski bumper stickers
              -Future administration relations
              -Republican National Convention
                   -Illinois delegation
                         -Leslie C. Arends
              -William E. Brock, III
              -The President’s view
              -Clifford P. Case
              -Edward W. Brooke
                   -Position on the President's policies
                         -PRC
              -Case
              Percy amendment
                   -Welfare reform
                         -Benefits to Illinois, New York
                         -Henry L. Bellmon's amendment
                             -Cost
                             -Long’s statement
                                  -Benefits to Illinois
              -Hearing
                   -Christian Scientist background
                   -Gen. Douglas MacArthur
              -Consumer legislation
                   -Request for a meeting with the President
                         -White House staff
              -St. Louis airport
                   Administration position
                         Missouri
                         -Christopher S. (“Kit”) Bond
                         -Richard B. Ogilvie


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[Duration: 7m 52s ]
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        The President’s schedule
            -Congressional relations
                -Adjournment
                     -Telephone calls
                          -Camp David
                     -George P. Shultz
                     -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
                          Camp David
                             -Radio Address on Crime and Drug Abuse
                             -Public interest
                             -Absenteeism charge

        US-Soviet Union maritime agreement
           -Kissinger

Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:30 am.

        The President's schedule
            -Chinese doctors

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:01 am.

        US-Soviet Union maritime agreement
           -Peter G. Peterson
           -Negotiations
               -Possible link
                    -New York Times article
                         -Peterson
               -[Timofey B. Guzhenko]
               -Shipping price
                    -Peterson

Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:30 am.

        Instruction
             -Woods
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                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Nov-03)

Ehrlichman and Haldeman left at 10:01 am.