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Conversation: 817-017

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Start Date: 30-Nov-1972 1:11 PM

End Date: 30-Nov-1972 1:19 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ziegler, Ronald L.Bull, Stephen B.Butterfield, Alexander P.Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

817-017.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 30, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, Stephen B. Bull, Alexander P. Butterfield, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:11 pm to 1:19 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 817-017 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 817-17

Date: November 30, 1972
Time: 1:11 pm - 1:19 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.

       Ziegler’s press conference
              -The President’s recent meeting with Duc
                      -Tone
                                              -74-
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. Apr.-08)

                                                              Conversation No. 817-17 (cont’d)

                              -Compared to the President’s meeting with Duc, November 29,
                               1972
               -State Department reorganization announcement
                       -The President’s recommendations
                              -United Press International [UPI]
                              -Washington Star
                                     -George Sherman
                              -American Broadcasting Corporation [ABC]
                              -Quotes from the President
                                     -Stenographers, file clerks
                                     -Senior officials
                                     -Foreign Service Officers [FSO]
                                     -Embassies
                       -William P. Rogers

Ziegler left and Stephen B. Bull entered at 1:12 pm.

       The President's schedule
              -Trip to Florida
                      -Departure time

Alexander P. Butterfield entered and Bull left at an unknown time after 1:12 pm.

       Coat

       Items for the President’s signature
              -George P. Shultz

       Briefcase

Henry A. Kissinger entered at 1:12 pm.

       Vietnam negotiations
             -The President’s meeting [with Nguyen Phu Duc and Tran Kim Phuong]
                    -Effect
                    -Authority

Bull entered at 1:12 pm.

       The President’s schedule
                                              -75-
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. Apr.-08)

                                                            Conversation No. 817-17 (cont’d)

               -Shultz
               -Meeting with John B. Connally

Butterfield and Bull left at 1:13 pm.

       Vietnam negotiations
             -Settlement agreement
                    -Nguyen Van Thieu’s position
                            -Recent GVN cable
                            -The President’s meeting with Duc
                                    -US-Government of Vietnam [GVN] relations
                            -Possible delay
                    -Thieu’s rejection
                            -Bilateral deal
                                    -US mining, bombing cessation, withdrawal for prisoners
                                     of War [POWs]
                                    -Termination of US military and economic aid
                                            -South Vietnamese defeat, North Vietnamese defeat
                            -Congressional relations
                                    -The President’s meeting with Joint Chiefs of Staff [JCS]
                                    -Senate vote
                    -The President's achievements
                            -The President’s conversation with Leonid I. Brezhnev [at US-
                             Soviet Union Summit]
                                    -Lack of insistence on withdrawal of North Vietnamese
                                     troops from South Vietnam
                                    -Terms at that time
                                            -Election in South Vietnam
                                                    -Thieu’s resignation
             -North Vietnamese message
                    -Meaning
                            -Cancellation of meeting
                            -Alternate meeting places
                                    -Avenue Kleber
             -Cancellation of meeting
                    -Breakdown of talks
                            -Briefing
             -Settlement agreement
                    -Victory
                            -Briefing
                                               -76-
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Apr.-08)

                                                            Conversation No. 817-17 (cont’d)

              -The President’s meeting with Kissinger [in Key Biscayne]
              -The President’s possible meeting with Thieu
                     -Purpose
                            -Settlement agreement
                                    -Negotiations
                                    -Assurances
                                    -Commitment

The President and Kissinger left at 1:19 pm.