Conversation: 823-007
Prev: 823-006 Next: 823-008Start Date: 14-Dec-1972 12:32 PM
End Date: 14-Dec-1972 1:02 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Scott, Hugh; Timmons, William E.;Recording Device: Oval Office
NARA Description:
On December 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Hugh Scott, and William E. Timmons met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:32 pm to 1:02 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 823-007 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 823-7
Date: December 14, 1972
Time: 12:32 pm - 1:02 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Hugh Scott and William E. Timmons.
Thanksgiving
Scott’s schedule
-Vacation
-John D. Rockefeller, III
-Euthanasia conference, Asia
-Bali
-Jakarta
-Jogjakarta
-Bora Bora
-Thailand
-Chiang Mai
-Conditions
-Hill tribes
-Scott’s previous trip [to the People’s Republic of China [PRC]]
-Marian Huntington Chase Scott
-Rockefeller
Congressional relations
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 823-7 (cont’d)
-Upcoming session, 93rd Congress
-Organization
-Bill Patterson [?]
-George D. Aiken
-Henry L. Bellmon
-William E. Brock, III
-Campaign Committee chairmanship
-Hugh Scott’s conversation with the President, November
5, 1972
-Conference Committee chairmanship
-Wallace F. Bennett
-Norris Cotton
-Policy Committee chairmanship
-Robert A. Taft, Jr.
-Competition with John G. Tower
-Robert A. Taft, Sr.
-Conference Committee chairmanship
-Cotton
-Secretary of the Conference
-Bennett
-Chairman of Committee on Committees
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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]
Republican Party
-Congressional campaign committees
-Brock
-Finances
-Ted Stevens
-Fundraising
-Peter H. Dominick
-Presidential ambitions
-Relations with George H. W. Bush
-Bush
-Republican National Committee [RNC] chairmanship
-Political role
-Harry S. Dent
-Wife’s health
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 823-7 (cont’d)
-Bush
-Political role
-Lack of enemies
-Brock
-Robert C. (“Bob”) Wilson
-1972 Republican candidates
-Quality
-Italians
-Irish
-Blacks
-Joshua Eilberg
-Jewish district
-Opposition
-John Birchers
-California
-Gerald R. Ford
-Wilson
-Daniel Kuykendall
-Tennessee
-California
-Dominick
-Gordon L. Allott
-Bush
-Texas
-Candidate from the West
-William L. Scott
-Virginia
-Political Views
-Jesse A. Helms
-Bill Holman’s [?] opinion
Ford
-Wilson
-Kuykendall
-Brown
-Ford’s support
-Work with Brock, Bush
-Leadership
-Announcement
-Ford
-Wilson
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 823-7 (cont’d)
-Work with Brock
-Attitude
-Union advisors
-Ohio
-Pennsylvania
-Samuel L. Devine
-Conservatives
-Charles W. Whalen, Jr.
-Liberals
-Intelligence
-Surrogates
-1972 campaign
-Incumbency
-Effect
-Ticket-splitting
-Losses
-House of Representatives
-Senate
-Pete V. Domenici
-Helms
-[First name unknown] Bartlett [?]
-Kentucky
-Domenici
-Scott’s administrative assistant
-Fundraising
-Helms
-1972 campaign
-Margaret Chase Smith
-Defeat
-Surprise
-Offers of Support
-Surrogates
-Julie Nixon Eisenhower
-Allott
-Defeat
-Jack Miller
-Defeat
-Fundraising
-Jerry White [?]
-Jack [?] Edwards
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 823-7 (cont’d)
-Wilson
-J. Caleb Boggs
-Defeat
-Texas
[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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Congressional relations
-J. Caleb Boggs
-Governors National Safety Council
-Howard Pyle
-Hugh Scott’s conversation with John D. Ehrlichman
-1974 campaign
-The President’s schedule
-Possible joint leadership meeting
-Legislation
-Vetoes
-Timing
-Spending
-Compared to raising taxes
-Tactics
-Busing
-Robert P. Griffin’s position
Vietnam negotiations
-Difficulties
-Settlement agreement
-Quality
-North Vietnamese violations
-1972 election
-North Vietnam’s positions
-Imposition of Communist government in South Vietnam
-International Commission of Control and Supervision [ICCS]
-US mining, bombing of North Vietnam
-Duration
-Settlement agreement
-Prisoners of war [POWs]
-US residual forces
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 823-7 (cont’d)
-Casualties
-The President’s meeting with Henry A. Kissinger
-Congressional relations
-Resolutions
-Timing
-1973 Inauguration
-George S. McGovern
-Hubert H. Humphrey
-Edmund S. Muskie
-Michael J. Mansfield
-POWs
-McGovern’s position
-US withdrawal and cessation of bombing
-The President’s plan
-Compared to Mansfield Amendment
-US withdrawal
-Timing
-POWs
-Cease-fire
-North Vietnam
-US pressure
-Compared to withdrawal
-Settlement agreement
-POWs
-McGovern’s and Mansfield’s positions
-Nguyen Van Thieu
-Congressional relations
-POWs
-US aid to South Vietnam
-Communist aid to North Vietnam
-Military aid
Congressional relations
-Health bill
-Scott’s conversation with Ehrlichman
-Health proposals, pension bill
-Democrats
-Pension bill
-Democrats’ version
-Portability
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 823-7 (cont’d)
-Compared to vestibility
-Federal insurance
-Importance to labor
-Compared to fringe benefits
-Confirmation hearings for nominees
-Expedition
-Quality of candidates
Second term reorganization
-Congressional relations
-Cabinet
-Secretary of the Treasury
-Arthur F. Sampson, General Services Administration [GSA] Administrator
-Scott’s view
-Pennsylvania
-Toughness
Congressional relations
-Bipartisan leadership meetings
-Republican leadership meetings
-Scott
-Ford
-Leslie C. Arends
-Griffin
-Meetings with Democrats
-The President’s meeting with Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
-Jackson’s trip to Europe and the Middle East
-Mansfield
-Impulsiveness
-John C. Stennis
-McGovern
-Senate Foreign Relations Committee
-J. William Fulbright
-Frank F. Church
-W[illiam] Stuart Symington
-1972 election
-Republican losses
New Year’s greeting
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 823-7 (cont’d)
Hugh Scott’s schedule
-Trip to Singapore
-Theft of Presidential money clip
-Airport
White House gifts
-Presentation
-Hugh Scott’s staff
Scott and Timons left at 1:02 pm.