Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 6 › Conversation 006-013

Nixon phone call with Buchanan on Jack F. Kemp and Paul N. McCloskey Jr.

Tuesday, June 29, 1971 · 8:42 AM–8:44 AM ET · White House Telephone · 2 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Buchanan, Patrick J.Conversation006-013 on Tape 6 (tape position 00:08:45–00:10:58)StartTuesday, June 29, 1971 at 8:42 AMEndTuesday, June 29, 1971 at 8:44 AMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 006-013 ↗

President Nixon directs Patrick J. Buchanan to provide Representative Jack F. Kemp with strategic talking points and opposition research ahead of Kemp’s upcoming appearance on the David Frost show. Because Kemp is scheduled to debate anti-war critic Paul N. McCloskey Jr., the President emphasizes the need for Kemp to be well-prepared to counter McCloskey’s arguments regarding the administration's Southeast Asia policy. Buchanan is tasked with coordinating this effort, including potential collaboration with Charles W. Colson, to ensure Kemp is equipped to effectively challenge McCloskey.

  • Jack F. Kemp
  • Paul N. McCloskey Jr.
  • Southeast Asia policy
  • Opposition research
  • David Frost show
  • Media strategy

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Yes, sir.
Jack Kemp, Pat, is going to go around with this fellow McCloskey on the David Frost show tomorrow night.
Right.
And I asked him, what is it about?
And he said, well, it's just about Nixon, about the presidency and all that sort of thing.
And it looks like, I thought that our shop arranged for a fellow like that, that we gave him assistance, but apparently, I said, where are you getting the dope?
Well, he said he's gone over to
to Sullivan at State to get the dope on Laos, and a couple of you running around town and so forth.
Well, nobody really can give him the dope better than you could.
You know, if you got time, you could do something today.
In other words, search your memory.
You might give Kemp a call, first of all.
He said that they're going to be our head-to-head on this show.
Okay.
And he was with him on another show in New York, and...
didn't have the information that he needed and on the cabot show and he makes a very good impression but he's got to get the information you know what he really needs are talking points pat like you give to me and you know here's mccloskey's screaming around some ways for example you've got some mccloskey weaknesses i'm sure that you can put in you know that you maybe you've made up a summary of that haven't you not you have some stuff on mccloskey stuff up yeah yeah yeah and uh you can check any place in the administration that you can on it to see what the
Maybe Colson's got some stuff.
I don't know.
Would you do that?
Okay, fine.
But if you take the procedure, take the responsibility on it, would you please?
Okay, fine.
Call McCloskey.
I mean, call Kent.
Tell him now you're going to prepare some stuff.
Just give him some good...
Just give him some good, nutsy stuff that he can go on, where he can just lay off McCloskey about some of his silly stuff.
Okay.
Okay?
All right, sir.
All right.
You ought to enjoy this assignment, shouldn't you?
Okay, yes, sir.
He'll say some of the things I can't.
Okay.
Bye, sir.

On June 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Patrick J. Buchanan talked on the telephone from 8:42 am to 8:44 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 006-013 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 6-13

Date: June 29, 1971
Time: 8:42 am - 8:44 am
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Patrick J. Buchanan.

[See Conversation No. 530-3A]

     Jack F. Kemp
          -Forthcoming appearance on David Frost show with Paul N. McCloskey, Jr.
          -William H. Sullivan
                -State Department background information on Laos
          -Talking points
          -Administration's Southeast Asia policy
          -Previous appearance on Dick Cavett show
          -Buchanan's help
          -Charles W. Colson

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[Previous PRMPA Privacy (D) reviewed under deed of gift 01/24/2020. Segment cleared for
release.]
[Privacy]
[006-013-w001]
[Duration: 5s]

       Jack F. Kemp
               -Intellect
                       -The President’s opinion

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  • 006-012 8:32 AM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 8:32 am and 8:42 am.
  • 530-002 8:32 AM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:32 am and 8:42 am.
  • 530-003 8:32 AM · 1 hr 26 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Patrick J. Buchanan, White House operator, Alvin E. O'Konski, Manolo Sanchez, Rose Mary Woods, Stephen B. Bull, John B. Connally, Ronald L. Ziegler, and George P. Shultz met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:32 am and 10:07 am.
  • 006-014 8:45 AM · 5 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 8:45 am.
  • 006-015 8:46 AM · 33 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Patrick J. Buchanan talked on the telephone from 8:46 am to 8:47 am.
  • 006-016 8:47 AM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 8:47 am and 9:03 am.
  • 006-017 9:03 AM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Alvin E. O???Kinski talked on the telephone from 9:03 am to 9:06 am.
  • 006-018 9:07 AM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 9:07 am.

Conversation 006-013, June 29, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/006-013 (accessed October 5, 2026).