Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 14 › Conversation 014-148

Nixon phone call with Kissinger on Paul H. Nitze and Arms control

Tuesday, November 16, 1971 · 7:19 PM–7:22 PM ET · White House Telephone · 1 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.Conversation014-148 on Tape 14 (tape position 04:30:48–04:31:59)StartTuesday, November 16, 1971 at 7:19 PMEndTuesday, November 16, 1971 at 7:22 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 014-148 ↗

President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discuss the potential appointment of Paul H. Nitze to an administration role, specifically focusing on the value of his strong stance on arms control. Kissinger notes that he has vetted the idea with Stewart J.O. Alsop, who expressed support for the concept. The two agree to further evaluate the political implications of such an unconventional move and plan to revisit the decision during their next meeting.

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What do you think of that?
You thought a little more about the NHTSA thing?
I think it's a good idea, and I asked Stuart outside.
He thinks it's a good idea.
Right, right.
Well, let's take a run at that.
The other one that occurred to me... Well, I don't know.
No, it's...
It might be, that's the thing that would be so unusual, coming off the arms control plane, and also the fact that he's taken very strong standings, that would be helpful.
He has, hasn't he?
Oh, yes, he is strong.
Right, right, right.
Well, you may want to think about it over 90 years in the end, so I'd have to talk to him.
Right.
We'll think about it, and we'll talk about it in the morning, okay?
How did you go along with Stuart?
Everything fine?
Good.
Good.
Okay.

On November 16, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger talked on the telephone from 7:19 pm to 7:22 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 014-148 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 14-148

Date: November 16, 1971
Time: 7:19 pm - 7:22 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.

     Paul H. Nitze
          -Possible role with administration
                -Kissinger's conversation with Stewart J.O. Alsop
          -Arms control stance
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Conversation 014-148, November 17, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/014-148 (accessed October 25, 2026).