Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 15 › Conversation 015-176

Nixon phone call with MacGregor on Economic Stabilization Act

Tuesday, November 30, 1971 · 3:55 PM–3:58 PM ET · White House Telephone

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; MacGregor, ClarkConversation015-176 on Tape 15 (tape position 04:42:54–04:46:00)StartTuesday, November 30, 1971 at 3:55 PMEndTuesday, November 30, 1971 at 3:58 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 015-176 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Clark MacGregor discussed the legislative status of the Economic Stabilization Act and the prospects for concluding the current congressional session. They specifically addressed the potential need for an extended session due to ongoing negotiations, as well as reaction to recent administration statements regarding tax legislation. The participants evaluated the progress of these economic measures in the Senate and House to determine the timeline for adjournment.

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4:43:01Ies sir, nid wyf wedi gweld llawer ar y ffyrdd, yn anffodus, ond... Ies, ond roeddech chi'n ei alw.
4:43:05Ies, sir, ac roedden ni'n ei alw'n llawer ohonyn nhw, ac roedden nhw'n mynd i fynd allan gyda sbethau un munud ac yn rhoi rhywbeth ymlaen yn y gallarau pres, ond nid ydyn nhw'n cymryd hynny'n llawn.
4:43:12Rwy'n gwybod nad ydyn nhw'n cymryd hynny.
4:43:14Wel, dim ond er mwyn i ni gael ychydig o lepcutwyr a chymryd rhan o'r gyllideb.
4:43:19Rydyn ni wedi cymryd yn y Senedd, chi'n gwybod, heno gyda peth o McGee Ffong ar... Ychydig a chwe.
4:43:25Ie, 5.5.
4:43:25Ie, sir.
4:43:25I gyflogwyr Llywodraeth.
4:43:27I ddechrau nawr, ym mis Ionawr.
4:43:30Ym mis Ionawr, ie.
4:43:31Wel, rydyn ni'n parhau yno ar hynny.
4:43:40Beth yw'r lline?
4:43:41A fydd hynny'n mynd i'r Cymru?
4:43:41Ie, felly roedd hynny'n cael ei ychwanegu ar y Senat, ar y Ddeddf Stabilio Economaidd.
4:43:47Ac wrth gwrs, nid yw'r Cymru wedi cael hynny ar y llyfr, felly byddai'n cael ei ystyried yn y Cymru, ac yna byddwn yn mynd i gyfnod.
4:43:55Felly mae gennym ni rhai diwrnod i ffwrdd o hynny.
4:43:58Efallai y byddai hynny'n gwneud yn bosibl y Ddeddf Stabilio Economaidd.
4:44:01I symud trwyddo, ie.
4:44:02Ie, ie.
4:44:02Diolch yn fawr nad yw'r rhai hynny'n mynd i fynd i fyny i fyny ar gyfer
4:44:07Mae'n edrych fel hynny.
4:44:08Mae Mansfield yn parhau i siarad am ddiwedd y wythnos hon, ac mae'r rhan fwyaf o bawb yn disgwyl diwedd y wythnos nesaf, ond mewn gwirionedd, dwi ddim yn gweld sut y gallan nhw ddod allan o hyn o'r blaen.
4:44:15Ie, ie.
4:44:15Wel, yn arbennig os ydyn nhw'n ffurfio'n ymwneud â'r adnodd ariannol hwnnw,
4:44:25Rwy'n credu nad oes gennym unrhyw ddewis ond y sesiwn ychwanegol.
4:44:28Nid ydych chi'n credu hynny?
4:44:28Rwy'n credu hynny.
4:44:29Os ydyn nhw'n mynd allan, os ydych chi'n cyhoeddi eich adroddiad ystod y wythnos pan fydd y cyhoedd yn adrodd, efallai y byddant yn parhau i ddod i mewn ac felly nid ydyn nhw'n ysgrifennu'n cael eu galw'n ôl.
4:44:39Efallai y byddant yn parhau i ddod i mewn.
4:44:41Mae'n anodd bod un o'r bobl yn y cyfarfodydd wedi adrodd bod Wilbur Mills, pan oedd wedi darllen statement MacGregor gyda'ch awdurdod, wedi dweud, Wel, nid yw hynny'n statement anodd, oherwydd rwy'n credu ei fod wedi'i ddysgu'n anghywir, gan feddwl efallai ei fod wedi'i ddysgu'n anghywir, gan feddwl ei fod wedi'i ddysgu'n anghywir, gan feddwl ei fod wedi'i ddysgu'n anghywir, gan feddwl ei fod wedi'i ddysgu'n anghywir, gan feddwl ei fod wedi'i ddysgu'n anghywir, gan feddwl ei fod wedi'i ddysgu'n anghywir, gan fed
4:45:09Ydw, Prif Weinidog?
4:45:09Ydw.
4:45:10Mae gen i Julie.
4:45:10Ydw.
4:45:11Dyma chi.
4:45:12Ydw, Prif Weinidog.

NARA Description

On November 30, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and Clark MacGregor talked on the telephone from 3:55 pm to 3:58 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 015-176 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 15-176

Date: November 30, 1971
Time: 3:55 pm - 3:58 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with the White House operator.

     Clark MacGregor

The President talked with MacGregor.

[See also Conversation No. 626-12B]

     Earl L. Butz

     Free network television time
          -John B. Anderson
                -Campaign check-off provision of Tax Bill
          -Wilbur D. Mills
                -Conversation with [Arthur E.?] Summerfield
                      -White House identification
          -Distribution
                -Administration stand
                -Democrats
                      -Debt
                -Press play

     Campaign check-off provision of Tax Bill
         -Press reaction to the President's stand
               -Detroit News
               -Detroit Free Press
               -Denver Post

Also recorded on November 30, 1971

  • 015-174 11:23 AM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 11:23 am.
  • 626-011 12:03 PM · 11 sec — unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:03 pm and 3:40 pm.
  • 015-175 3:48 PM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 3:48 pm and 3:55 pm.
  • 626-012 3:48 PM · 1 hr 19 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, White House operator, Clark MacGregor, David Reed, Hobart D. Lewis, White House photographer, Manolo Sanchez, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:48 pm to 5:10 pm.
  • 626-013 5:10 PM · 9 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Alexander P. Butterfield, and Rose Mary Woods met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 5:10 pm and 5:21 pm.
  • 626-014 5:21 PM · 48 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, Henry A. Kissinger, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:21 pm to 6:09 pm.
  • 015-177 5:45 PM · 32 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman talked on the telephone from 5:45 pm to 5:46 pm.
  • 626-015 6:09 PM · 1 min — unknown person(s) and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 6:09 pm and 11:59 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 015-176, November 30, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/015-176 (accessed October 9, 2026).