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Conversation 023-120

TapeTape 23StartTuesday, May 2, 1972 at 5:35 PMEndTuesday, May 2, 1972 at 5:37 PMParticipantsEhrlichman, John D.;  Ziegler, Ronald L.;  Nixon, Richard M. (President)Recording deviceWhite House Telephone
AudioNARA Description

On May 2, 1972, John D. Ehrlichman, Ronald L. Ziegler, and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone from 5:35 pm to 5:37 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 023-120 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 23-120

Date: May 2, 1972
Time: 5:35-5:37 pm
Location: White House Telephone

John D. Ehrlichman talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.

[See also Conversation No. 334-36I]

     Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
          -Acting Director
                -Announcement
                    -Speculation
                          -William A. Gill, Jr.
                          -Names
                          -Diversion
                    -Contents
                          -Names
                    -Full-time director
                          -Problems

Ehrlichman conferred with the President at an unknown time.

[See Conversation No. 334-36]

[End of conferral]

     FBI
           -Full-time director
                 -Announcement by Ziegler
                      -The President's intentions
                      -Acting Director
                 -Speculation
                      -Problems
                 -The President's options
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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John Ehrlichman.
The President suggests you simply start moving now if you get inquiries, that there will be an announcement in the morning with regard to the appointment of an acting director.
That should then forestall any speculation.
Well, what Bill Gill, for example, just called me, he already has a piece on film.
What they're doing is speculating on names, like your name is in it and other names are in it.
If you say an acting director and he won't appoint a – it's very likely he won't appoint a full-time director.
Now you divert the speculation –
A lot of it.
Well, I think that's good, don't you?
I think it's good to divert to speculation.
Yeah.
And that doesn't hurt the announcement tomorrow because the announcement is the name and the confirmation of the sourced information.
That's it.
So if you could get that out, you could do it just by not being specific about anything except there will be an announcement as to the designation of an acting director tomorrow at the morning briefing.
Right.
But I'm saying the better thing would be to take it a step further and say that the president will not announce or nominate full-time this year.
No, don't do that.
See, you immediately eliminate an option for him.
So he doesn't want to eliminate him?
Well, I haven't asked him, and he's in the other room, but I really don't think he'll want to freeze him.
Well, the point of it is we're going to freeze him tomorrow, aren't we?
Just a minute.
Hold on, Ron.
He wants to know if you want to go on one step further and say that you do not intend to send a nomination to the Congress this year.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
That would start all the speculation.
No, just as far as saying that there'll be an announcement in the morning with regard to an acting director, period.
Okay?
You know, I think there's some merit to this other thing because you drive them off of this speculation.
I understand.
The speculation is going to be inevitable, Ron.
I assume it will be, but you drive them off of it somewhat if you say nominate to full-time until this year, if we have decided to say that tomorrow.
If we haven't, then that's right.
See, that frees the president out of an option, and I just don't think we're there yet.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you.
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